I have never understood this kind of behavior. Right now I don't play any MMO's but when I did play I didn't spend all my free time lurking these forums. I PLAYED the game. Also if I saw someone badmouth my game, I didn't feel the need to write 10 pages of text explaining how that person knows nothing and how the game is awesome. During my most active time of playing, you know how many posts I wrote? None.

Why the need to defend AoC so passionately?

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Honestly, if someone is asking so stupid questions, what answers you expect he can get? I dont mean initial question (even if personaly I dont like it, seem a little racist to me), but reactions of OP was obvious flames!

And if someone likes the game, he want to defend it, especially if there are lies about it. And there are a lot of lies (or old information) about Age of Conan.

For me more interesting question is, why there are still so many haters and flamers?

Originally posted by Spellshaper

Honestly, if someone is asking so stupid questions, what answers you expect he can get? I dont mean initial question (even if personaly I dont like it, seem a little racist to me), but reactions of OP was obvious flames!

 

And if someone likes the game, he want to defend it, especially if there are lies about it. And there are a lot of lies (or old information) about Age of Conan.

 

For me more interesting question is, why there are still so many haters and flamers?

I think it's pretty obvious why there are "haters" here. They were disappointed byt the game, quit, and now have nothing better to do. They probably need an MMO fix but since they are not subscribed to anything at the moment, they come here. For me this is logical.

But when someone who obviously LOVES a game but chooses to spend his time here instead of playing that game.. that is very strange indeed.

I have never understood this kind of behavior. Right now I don't play any MMO's but when I did play I didn't spend all my free time lurking these forums. I PLAYED the game. Also if I saw someone badmouth my game, I didn't feel the need to write 10 pages of text explaining how that person knows nothing and how the game is awesome. During my most active time of playing, you know how many posts I wrote? None.

Why the need to defend AoC so passionately?

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Well, let me start.

First I can't play the game while working but I can post on forums. That's why during my business-hours, I can be seen posting on forums, using twitter and some other stuff.

I'm not playing any other games, so I don't feel the need to go over to other forums and attack/defend other games as I don't feel any need to comment on other games since I don't like them/I don't care and don't have sufficient information. There's no game I hate and never will be to justify attacking a game in the forums continuously.

I like to inform any interested person about the state of this game I play (AoC) and any information I can provide.

I like to clarify people when I feel they're wrong. Examples given here is people stating that the game has a particular problem when that is false or outdated information.

Last but not least, I don't defend the game against a person who doesn't like the game for valid reasons ranging from not liking the mechanics and core of the game to bugs or lack of content etc. But I will defend the game against a person who invokes invalid reasons, like bugs that don't exist, content that exists, etc.

Those that defend the game and Funcom to the hilt are the ones that either enjoy it or are at the denial stage (around level 60-75). Some do enjoy the game but since it went from 800k to 100k subs in about three months it obviously isn't the game that was hyped. It also failed to meet the standards of atleast 85% of those that purchased it, mostly due to either the terrible memory leaks at launch and the insane use of instancing.

Those that enjoy it usually don't play that much anyway since the world is empty and there is nothing left to do post LVL 80. Sieges are still bugged and have a crippling player cap and are carried out in an instance so it destroys any kind of experience you'd normally get if you were helping your guild in another game. Sieges don't happen often enough to keep you playing more than posting here, if you can get in the instance when it happens and someone doesn't exploit it.

AoC has plenty of content but it's all a one shot deal in my opinion, you do it once and it's too boring or difficult to group up due to instances to even bother again. And PvPing is just utter wank, in my opinion anyway.

It is logical to want to support a game and to defend it against detractors.  Now, as to why people act the way they do in these forums, I would recommend thinking about the way people used to act in chat rooms.  The psychology is the same.  It's not really about being passionate for a game - it's about the individuals, their inferiority complexes, and their lack of social skills.

wait a minute did you say it is logical to come to a forum of something you have no interest in and do not even like just to bash it.  that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.  i dont like tennis so you know what i dont go on tennis forums saying negative things.  i never ever go on a forum of something i have not interest in.  that is called being a troll.  another example, darkfall is not the game for me but you dont see me going on there saying darkfall sucks.  i have much better things to do with my life then go on forums of subjects/games that i have no interest in anymore and say negative things about.  to me you have to be the biggest loser ever to go on forums of things you dont like just to bash them. 

Originally posted by flguy147

wait a minute did you say it is logical to come to a forum of something you have no interest in and do not even like just to bash it.  that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.  i dont like tennis so you know what i dont go on tennis forums saying negative things.  i never ever go on a forum of something i have not interest in.  that is called being a troll.  another example, darkfall is not the game for me but you dont see me going on there saying darkfall sucks.  i have much better things to do with my life then go on forums of subjects/games that i have no interest in anymore and say negative things about.  to me you have to be the biggest loser ever to go on forums of things you dont like just to bash them. 

Er, stop looking for logic.  We bash because we can. We defend games because we like to.  In the end, we do this for fun and entertainment, have no real vested interest in any of this and it keeps us from doing more productive things like work.

If I was home I'd be playing, but since I can't, this is just a different sort of game really.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by flguy147

wait a minute did you say it is logical to come to a forum of something you have no interest in and do not even like just to bash it.  that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.  i dont like tennis so you know what i dont go on tennis forums saying negative things.  i never ever go on a forum of something i have not interest in.  that is called being a troll.  another example, darkfall is not the game for me but you dont see me going on there saying darkfall sucks.  i have much better things to do with my life then go on forums of subjects/games that i have no interest in anymore and say negative things about.  to me you have to be the biggest loser ever to go on forums of things you dont like just to bash them. 

 

Er, stop looking for logic.  We bash because we can. We defend games because we like to.  In the end, we do this for fun and entertainment, have no real vested interest in any of this and it keeps us from doing more productive things like work.

If I was home I'd be playing, but since I can't, this is just a different sort of game really.

eheh :D Well said.

Originally posted by flguy147

wait a minute did you say it is logical to come to a forum of something you have no interest in and do not even like just to bash it.  that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.  i dont like tennis so you know what i dont go on tennis forums saying negative things.  i never ever go on a forum of something i have not interest in.  that is called being a troll.  another example, darkfall is not the game for me but you dont see me going on there saying darkfall sucks.  i have much better things to do with my life then go on forums of subjects/games that i have no interest in anymore and say negative things about.  to me you have to be the biggest loser ever to go on forums of things you dont like just to bash them. 

I think you should read my post again, flguy.  You're making my case for me.  Thank you for that - not that it was really necessary.  I'll post it again to save some effort.  You'll have to excuse the lack of boxes - I'm relatively new here and don't know how to go about quoting two separate posts in a thread, if that's possible.

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Originally posted by bmdevine

"It is logical to want to support a game and to defend it against detractors. Now, as to why people act the way they do in these forums, I would recommend thinking about the way people used to act in chat rooms. The psychology is the same. It's not really about being passionate for a game - it's about the individuals, their inferiority complexes, and their lack of social skills."

dude, this aint DF forum, go cry there

to the OP: i might aswell ask the questions  "why do ppl keep complaining/hating so much after all these months, time to move along orr?" and  "why do you care so much?"

Originally posted by flguy147

wait a minute did you say it is logical to come to a forum of something you have no interest in and do not even like just to bash it.  that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.  i dont like tennis so you know what i dont go on tennis forums saying negative things.  i never ever go on a forum of something i have not interest in.  that is called being a troll.  another example, darkfall is not the game for me but you dont see me going on there saying darkfall sucks.  i have much better things to do with my life then go on forums of subjects/games that i have no interest in anymore and say negative things about.  to me you have to be the biggest loser ever to go on forums of things you dont like just to bash them. 

Well my friend then I guess you don't read many books on marketing. In business it's a known FACT that 1 unhappy customer is much worse than 5 happy customers. People tend to, and this is backed by a lot of research, talk much more about situations where they had bad service than situations where the service was good.

You tennis example was really dumb. These AoC haters don't hate MMO's in general, they just hate AoC. If you want to use tennis as an example you have to think it like this:

Scenario 1:
You go to a private tennis class. The tennis teacher is very good and you learn a lot. You are happy. You recommend that tennis teacher to a couple of friends BUT you don't go around town yelling how great the guy is.

Scenario 2:
You go to a private tennis class. The tennis teacher RAPES you in the locker room! You are not happy. You tell the police and they throw the guy in jail. Then you tell all your friends, family and even the mailman that they should to NEVER go play tennis with that guy.

This is just basic human psychology and like I said, there has been a lot of research on this subject. Unhappy customers are much more aggressive in getting their opinions heard. This is a scientific fact and not even an AoC forum expert can deny it.

So the question still remains.. why are these happy customers still here? Why are they not playing the game? Why do they feel they need to defend AoC so much? Think about it.

I think there was some shilling going on early.  A bunch of the defenders were just a little over-the-top.

I also think there are a lot of people who haven't played many other MMORPGs recently.   AOC is a decent game and worth a subscription.. but some of the things that the fans brag about are done much better in other mmorpgs.  You see a lot of that in the darkfall forums also.. players there making videos and bragging about 20v20 'battles' and just really really basic stuff that most games do better.  If you play EVE, LOTRO, WOW and AOC, you really know what each game should brag about.   The fans of AOC brag about something, and then if you come from one of those other games you are like 'huh? what is so great about this'.

bmdevine, my comments were not too you for what its worth.  and to the others i totally respect people's opinion on not enjoying a certain video game.  i have just never understood wasting time going on a forum to bash a game.  with my free time i do things i enjoy and do not spend my free time to bash things that other people may enjoy.    the ONLY reason i come on here is to check out game updates or to see if any news are out on mmos and very seldom even post.   i dont waste my free time to bash games that i dont wanna play or even dislike.    but i guess some people dont have enough of a life or even have real like friends to spend their free time with.

actually i do go around and talk about how great somebody is much much more than i would ever run around talking about negative things about a person.    and dude are you really bring up rape comparing that to a mmo wtf.  

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

You go to a private tennis class. The tennis teacher RAPES you in the locker room! You are not happy. You tell the police and they throw the guy in jail. Then you tell all your friends, family and even the mailman that they should to NEVER go play tennis with that guy

So Funcom raped you? They told something of a brutal world without mercy....thank`s now I understand, I am sorry for troubling you

Originally posted by flguy147

actually i do go around and talk about how great somebody is much much more than i would ever run around talking about negative things about a person.    and dude are you really bring up rape comparing that to a mmo wtf.  

Who gives a shit if you talk more about positive things than negative ones? You are just some random internet guy. The fact is that most people talk about negative experiences more and this is backed up by SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH not by some opinion of some "forum expert".

Yeah I compared rape and an MMO.. Jesus, man.. this is really difficult for you, isn't it? Maybe read a book or something? It might help.

Read the title of this thread and answer me that question? Why do YOU care if someone hates this game?

Fans of every MMO do this. I'll let you figure out as to why.

Originally posted by Cabracan

Originally posted by GiveMePvP

You go to a private tennis class. The tennis teacher RAPES you in the locker room! You are not happy. You tell the police and they throw the guy in jail. Then you tell all your friends, family and even the mailman that they should to NEVER go play tennis with that guy

 

So Funcom raped you? They told something of a brutal world without mercy....thank`s now I understand, I am sorry for troubling you

Don't be idiotic ,he was making a point metaphorically .It was perfectly clear to anyone with a little insight

Those people who find themselves defending the game need to just realize that while AoC has vastly improved since launch, so many people felt burned that they refuse to return to the game. I was most angered by the complete and utter lack of communication from Funcom during the first month. A lot of people were.

I figured Funcom would eventually get the game together and make improvements on it, because it was clear the game was simply launched too early.  About a year too early.  My problem with AoC now stems from fundamental design decisions made by Funcom.  Specifically, the clausterphobic gameplay areas, the invisible walls and huge unexplorable areas, and the instancing/zoning have turned me off permanently. Some people are ok with this, but I never felt like I was playing an MMO because of it.  You could plainly see where they made design decisions based on a future Xbox 360 port.  No thanks.

I'm interested to see what Ragnar's team at Funcom does with The Secret World, and I hope they learned from their mistakes on AoC.   If it's more of the same, they won't see a penny from me.