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ENTR0PY Novice Member Joined: 11/25/05 Posts: 56	4/23/09 9:25:12 PM#61 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) OP has no idea what he's talking about. Aion IS going to be the best MMO release of 2009/2010. Everything I've seen or read about this game points to pure WIN.
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nariusseldon Elite Member Joined: 12/21/07 Posts: 5381	4/23/09 9:40:03 PM#62 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Cpt.Stubbing I dont think these game need to be largely innovative really, just a new thing here or there mixed with the mmo stuff we know people like and have been very successful. Innovation is way over-rated. It is about execution and implementation. A few gimmick ideas wont work and wont make a fun game.
Snoutimus Novice Member Joined: 6/27/08 Posts: 11	4/24/09 3:50:50 AM#63 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by Cpt.Stubbing I dont think these game need to be largely innovative really, just a new thing here or there mixed with the mmo stuff we know people like and have been very successful. Innovation is way over-rated. It is about execution and implementation. A few gimmick ideas wont work and wont make a fun game. Couldn't agree more. Take Age of Conan (when it was first released) for example. Innovative combat system, but the bugs etc brought the game down.
Cpt.Stubbing Novice Member Joined: 5/06/06 Posts: 260 EQ2, SWG, CoH, CoV, 9 Dragons, LoTRO, MXO, Planetside, GW, and many more...	4/24/09 7:59:29 AM#64 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Snoutimus Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by Cpt.Stubbing I dont think these game need to be largely innovative really, just a new thing here or there mixed with the mmo stuff we know people like and have been very successful. Innovation is way over-rated. It is about execution and implementation. A few gimmick ideas wont work and wont make a fun game. Couldn't agree more. Take Age of Conan (when it was first released) for example. Innovative combat system, but the bugs etc brought the game down. Absolutely. I DO want to see new things, but I want to see new things that work. I don't want a whole game thats so comopletly different and buggy that we have to have a whole discussion here on MMORPG.COM as to whether or not the game is an MMORPG or an MMOFPS or etc etc. IMO the community of any particular game is what makes or breaks it for me. I LOVE LotRO. The people in it however dont seem to want to group beyond the first coupla quests and the group breaks up. Im used to grouping with the same people for hours and having the chance to get to know them (coming from EQ2). That being said if the game is full of bugs because the devs stretched too far to be different theres no point.
Sovrath Elite Member Joined: 1/06/05 Posts: 12528	4/24/09 8:04:08 AM#65 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Torik WoW was not polished in the beginning, it took several months for it to become polished. It was polished enough where it mattered. When it released it was more polished then previous MMORPGs I played and those had months of time to polish their content. Plus the lack of polish was primary in the end game stuff which did not matter to the average player because it took them many months to get to it by which time it was fixed. I agree, it was pretty polished on release. It had it's issues, especially server issues, but that seemed understandable given how many people were flocking to it.
Jackio81 Novice Member Joined: 11/11/08 Posts: 437 The MMO genre as a whole is a running joke considering a 5+ year old game is so dominant.	4/24/09 9:16:39 AM#66 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I think what ppl are forgetting is that innovation tends to be a slow process, a gradual process.
Cpt.Stubbing Novice Member Joined: 5/06/06 Posts: 260 EQ2, SWG, CoH, CoV, 9 Dragons, LoTRO, MXO, Planetside, GW, and many more...	4/24/09 2:45:42 PM#67 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Jackio81 I think what ppl are forgetting is that innovation tends to be a slow process, a gradual process. Not at all, I agree. I just think that their rush to be innovative screws us sometimes. HOWEVER sometimes it works wonderfully. SWG before all the crap, was pretty different game when it came to leveling your character I thought that worked pretty well just as an (albeit lame) example.
UWNVME Apprentice Member Joined: 4/16/06 Posts: 113	4/26/09 3:10:22 PM#68 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Milky Champions Online Aion Free Realms Star Trek Online DC Universe and just about every other MMORPG coming out in 2009/2010 None of these games will bring anything new or truly innovative to the table. All "been there, done that". I don't mean to sound like a fanboy, but why are people always bashing Champions Online and always saying it's "nothing new"? From what I've read, it sounds like the game has a pretty innovative combat system.
Unive Novice Member Joined: 3/24/05 Posts: 137	4/26/09 3:12:44 PM#69 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by SaintViktor Aion = success with great reviews and well over 2mill strong playing. I wouldn't call that a failure. Well how many millions of people supported hitler, was that a sucess? Lol I know you loved my analogy dont lie.
Unive Novice Member Joined: 3/24/05 Posts: 137	4/26/09 3:13:48 PM#70 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Vetarnias Originally posted by Milky Champions Online Aion Free Realms Star Trek Online DC Universe and just about every other MMORPG coming out in 2009/2010 None of these games will bring anything new or truly innovative to the table. All "been there, done that". Like this thread. Been there, done that. Like this response. been there. done that. I like it when people try to act 'cool' over the interwebz with their pwning of people with their e-intelligentz, gives me somthing to make fun of my self. =)
toddze Elite Member Joined: 8/02/08 Posts: 1933 I am not a hater, I call it like I see it.	4/26/09 3:16:27 PM#71 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by grndzro I'm 100% positive Square Enix's "Rapture" will be awesome, mabye even a wowkiller. I hope its not even close to a wow killer. A wow killer will be another easy mode game. I dont think SE is going for that market. I will say it will be on par with what FFXI is about.(atleast thats what I am hoping for) Elder scrolls online: Voice your concerns here :http://www.zenimax.com/contact.php Waiting for:ArcheAge,TSW(for a good laugh at the ppl who actually bought it) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: Age of Conan Favorite MMO: FFXI
Laughing-man Elite Member Joined: 4/23/09 Posts: 2260 I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.	4/26/09 3:22:12 PM#72 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Unive Originally posted by SaintViktor Aion = success with great reviews and well over 2mill strong playing. I wouldn't call that a failure. Well how many millions of people supported hitler, was that a sucess? Lol I know you loved my analogy dont lie. Godwin's law, learn it, know it. The adage states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. In other words, this forum thread has gotten so long that you decided to be outlandish and mention hitler. Thinking of trying TERA? Check out my guild on Basilisk Crag! We're actively recruiting! www.proxytera.enjin.com/ Guild is named <Proxy> Our Symbol is my Avatar on here, the Laughing Man. Email - Proxytera@gmail.com Twitter - @ProxyTERA
Khalathwyr Tipster Joined: 6/02/04 Posts: 2989 Google is your friend.	4/26/09 3:24:36 PM#73 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Unive Originally posted by SaintViktor Aion = success with great reviews and well over 2mill strong playing. I wouldn't call that a failure. Well how many millions of people supported hitler, was that a sucess? Lol I know you loved my analogy dont lie. Godwin's Law Edit: Nice LM. Beat me to it. "Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Barteaux Novice Member Joined: 3/12/09 Posts: 499	4/26/09 3:24:47 PM#74 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Milky Champions Online Aion Free Realms Star Trek Online DC Universe and just about every other MMORPG coming out in 2009/2010 None of these games will bring anything new or truly innovative to the table. All "been there, done that". It depends on how you define failure. In terms of subs? Failure= <5million subs? or in terns of unorgininal game mechanics and/or storyline unless not yet seen by man before? Well, then you are right. There will be failures. "nerf rock, paper is working as intended." - Scissors. Head Chop
Khalathwyr Tipster Joined: 6/02/04 Posts: 2989 Google is your friend.	4/26/09 3:32:49 PM#75 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Barteaux Originally posted by Milky Champions Online Aion Free Realms Star Trek Online DC Universe and just about every other MMORPG coming out in 2009/2010 None of these games will bring anything new or truly innovative to the table. All "been there, done that". It depends on how you define failure. In terms of subs? Failure= <5million subs? or in terns of unorgininal game mechanics and/or storyline unless not yet seen by man before? Well, then you are right. There will be failures. The only "failure" that matters to me is if the games has to shut down or not. If it doesn't, then I can still play it no matter how many forum harpies are berating it. It seems to me that people who seriously engaged in the subscriber number semantics of what is "successfull" and what is "failure" are just people that "half to be right" or want to "prove how smart they are." If a game can pay their bills and make a profit, it is a success. If it wasn't, then the people who own it would close it. Profit is a success. Loss is a failure. "Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
gestalt11 Hard Core Member Joined: 5/17/06 Posts: 5300	4/26/09 4:19:32 PM#76 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Why do some people keep trying to perpetuate the myth that innovation and success are intrinsically linked. That is clearly not true, and many of the people saying that are the first to trash an innovative game if its not perfect is every other respect. As if they think innovation is just some other feature and doesn't take a ton of work or something. Its getting just plain silly.