i just want to point out that by the time i am posting this the poll shows an all-time high for swg 2 of 37% whilst sw:tor has decreased to an all time low of 58%.

for a game such as swg pre-cu which has ceased to exist for almost 4 years now to have the support of almost 40% after all this time in contrast to the story-telling ideas of sw:tor which is presently hyped it is something that should be taken into consideration.

and no, i am not an advocate of having swg brought back to its previous incarnation. what i support is having some of its koster revolutionary features be taken into consideration so that this game is not yet another WoW clone as has been the case with many other games released since.

Originally posted by Troneas

i just want to point out that by the time i am posting this the poll shows an all-time high for swg 2 of 37% whilst sw:tor has decreased to an all time low of 58%.

for a game such as swg pre-cu which has ceased to exist for almost 4 years now to have the support of almost 40% after all this time in contrast to the story-telling ideas of sw:tor which is presently hyped it is something that should be taken into consideration.

and no, i am not an advocate of having swg brought back to its previous incarnation. what i support is having some of its koster revolutionary features be taken into consideration so that this game is not yet another WoW clone as has been the case with many other games released since.

 

So I guess that would make THe Old Republic games even more interesting since the first one came out before SWG and 58 percent of this poll  prefer that.

also to note, this is based on only 474 votes and a very miniscule part of the population. so therefore the poll really has no validity and will not sway anyones decision one way or another.

Originally posted by lornj

also to note, this is based on only 474 votes and a very miniscule part of the population. so therefore the poll really has no validity and will not sway anyones decision one way or another.

Does it mater? FFS it's just a forum poll, we all know that. It's not going to change the world LMAO!

LA is gunna take ur moneh and Revamp/CU/Enhance your game once uve fallen i love with it through and through.

WoW with lightsabers

Originally posted by Troneas

i just want to point out that by the time i am posting this the poll shows an all-time high for swg 2 of 37% whilst sw:tor has decreased to an all time low of 58%.

for a game such as swg pre-cu which has ceased to exist for almost 4 years now to have the support of almost 40% after all this time in contrast to the story-telling ideas of sw:tor which is presently hyped it is something that should be taken into consideration.

and no, i am not an advocate of having swg brought back to its previous incarnation. what i support is having some of its koster revolutionary features be taken into consideration so that this game is not yet another WoW clone as has been the case with many other games released since.

 

YES you are an advocate.. YOUR label of "SWG refugee" tells me all..    JUST because a bunch of crybabies frome the SWG vet boards come running over here doesnt' say anything, other then some people just can't let it go..... Each time I read the post here, I start to rethink the starting line in "A Christmas Carol"... except I'm going change it a lil.. maybe something like, "SWG is dead a a door nail, this must be distinctly understood or nothing wonderful will come from this new game"...

Get the idea?  SWG is DEAD.. DEAD and DEAD........ Let it go.. OMG.. It really isnt' healthy to cry over a cyber game this long..

Originally posted by Wumi

LA is gunna take ur moneh and Revamp/CU/Enhance your game once uve fallen i love with it through and through.

WoW with lightsabers

i think we will see the opposite this time round - it will start as a themepark linear game with loads of stories and quests and it will evolve into a pre-cu of sorts after the fist few upgrade patches; offering more freedom and sandbox features.

There will be NO Sandbox features.. Get over it.. The day that devs stop adding content to a game relying on "children" to generate the content is the day I cancel my subscription and just like SWG.. many others will follow suit and the game dies..  Sandbox games are next to impossible to maintain and keep afloat.. The Devs know this and will NOT repeat SWG mistakes..  

Please leave SWG out of this game.. NEXT : )

Keep it TOR!. KOTOR is the game I fell in love with and the world I expect to see when this is released. I loved SWG in the begining but I don't want a repeat at all.

The poll has had over 500 participants --that is significant-- and over one-in-three of us want a SWG 2.

The problem for those of us who want more content, exploration, depth, and innovation is that we have been so soundly and roundly defeated by recent MMORPGs; they do not have depth, challenge, or innovative elements.

The poll not only attests to the brilliance and strength of SWG 2, but also could be read to say that we do not want another typical MMORPG of linear gameplay, fixed and small worlds, and a feeling of "sameness."

I am intrigued by the emphasis of "story" and dual-characters, or companions with their own characteristics and personalities.  It is going to be exciting to see how that is expanded.  Ultimately, though, what many of us probably fear is whether this will be another typical MMORPG with different graphics or lore, or will we get something new, exciting, and innovative?  Time will tell, and thank you for your participation.

It is time, though, for more sophisticated MMORPGamers to fight-back.

A poll is meaningless unless it is a representative sample of around 10,000 people. I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

Originally posted by ktanner3

A poll is meaningless unless it is a representative sample of around 10,000 people. I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

This might sound naive, but I give credence to a poll here that has over 500 participants and is composed of people who are interested in gaming.

It is a fairly representative sample of those who care, and are interested in, this game.

It also demonstrates that people want, desire, and expect SWG 2 features.  Frankly, I think the poll results are hugely telling in that respect:  give the customer what she wants.

If you want Star Wars Galaxies it is still up go and play it. I want a new innovative game that explores new design and creates a new game that no one has seen before. I do not want to see played out bad gameplay where 1 headshot kills ya. It was poor game design and the only thing good about it was the tree structure.

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by ktanner3

A poll is meaningless unless it is a representative sample of around 10,000 people. I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

 

This might sound naive, but I give credence to a poll here that has over 500 participants and is composed of people who are interested in gaming.

 

It is a fairly representative sample of those who care, and are interested in, this game.

 

It also demonstrates that people want, desire, and expect SWG 2 features.  Frankly, I think the poll results are hugely telling in that respect:  give the customer what she wants.

The way you interpret polls baffles me.

What it demonstrates is that a substantial majority (58% of everyone who has voted) DO NOT want Star Wars Galaxies 2 or a game like it. Just under 5% abstained from answers, which I am assuming is because they have either not played SWG or are torn as to whether we should ever revisit SWG. 37% want SWG2 or a game like it. 37 < 58. The poll results smply demonstrate that - out of the people who voted - MORE people want a new game than those that want SWG2. If we are to give the customer what she wants, we would go with the majority... and the majority don't want a crappy sequel to a really, really crappy MMO.

As has been rightfully pointed out however, this poll is not reprisentitive. If the poll were conducted on the Official TOR forums, it could probably be passed off as reprisentitive (and it would have substantially more than 506 voters), I guess it would be considered reprisentative. This one certainly isn't.

Originally posted by Infalible

If the poll were conducted on the Official TOR forums, it could probably be passed off as reprisentitive (and it would have substantially more than 506 voters), I guess it would be considered reprisentative.

Well, not really.  Conducting a poll to find out who in the MMORPG community wants a KOTOR MMO or a SWG2 MMO on the official TOR forums would be like wanting to find out how many people in the world speak Japanese and conducting the poll in Japan.

As myself and many others have stated before; conducting polls on forums such as these does not show an accurate representation of the overall MMORPG community.  Us, the forum-goers, are a vast minority representing a very small cross-section of the overall MMORPG player pie.

Any poll conducted on these, or any other gaming forum, should be taken with a grain of salt and used for nothing more than showing that X number of people who took the poll want Y or Z option.  Under no circumstances should these numbers be applied to the MMORPG community as a whole.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by Infalible

If the poll were conducted on the Official TOR forums, it could probably be passed off as reprisentitive (and it would have substantially more than 506 voters), I guess it would be considered reprisentative.

 

Well, not really.  Conducting a poll to find out who in the MMORPG community wants a KOTOR MMO or a SWG2 MMO on the official TOR forums would be like wanting to find out how many people in the world speak Japanese and conducting the poll in Japan. 

I don't think that is the case. I think it would be like conducting a poll of the Japanese to find out what dialect of Japanese they prefer.

Sadly however, forum goers reprisent the most outspoken portion of a game community and are usually the first port of call for developers. In most situations in fact, the minority are the ones that give the feedback. It is a cold day in hell when the majority start ranting :-P So to say that polls on forums are irrelevant is a misplaced assumption. They are not perfect, I agree, but they are realistically they only way to assure returns on any feedback request, which is why most developers option the from the start.

Originally posted by Infalible

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by ktanner3

A poll is meaningless unless it is a representative sample of around 10,000 people. I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

 

This might sound naive, but I give credence to a poll here that has over 500 participants and is composed of people who are interested in gaming.

 

It is a fairly representative sample of those who care, and are interested in, this game.

 

It also demonstrates that people want, desire, and expect SWG 2 features.  Frankly, I think the poll results are hugely telling in that respect:  give the customer what she wants.

 

The way you interpret polls baffles me.

What it demonstrates is that a substantial majority (58% of everyone who has voted) DO NOT want Star Wars Galaxies 2 or a game like it. Just under 5% abstained from answers, which I am assuming is because they have either not played SWG or are torn as to whether we should ever revisit SWG. 37% want SWG2 or a game like it. 37 < 58. The poll results smply demonstrate that - out of the people who voted - MORE people want a new game than those that want SWG2. If we are to give the customer what she wants, we would go with the majority... and the majority don't want a crappy sequel to a really, really crappy MMO.

As has been rightfully pointed out however, this poll is not reprisentitive. If the poll were conducted on the Official TOR forums, it could probably be passed off as reprisentitive (and it would have substantially more than 506 voters), I guess it would be considered reprisentative. This one certainly isn't.

Yeah, I don't see in any way how this poll is a "victory" for the people that want SWG2. If you're like me and think a real poll needs more than 500 people then it's meaningless. Let me also add that any poll where people can vote more than once is even more meaningless(You folks with the multiple usernames know who you are).If you DO put credence in this poll, then you would say that the majority of people here don't want SWG revisted. 37 % is not a majority in any version of mathmatics that I studied.

With TOR being 300 years after Kotor 2, this allows Bioware to do what they want with the game. Unline SWG where they were restricted do to the timeline. TOR can literally write their own story, since there are no movies, books (that i know of) or comics that focus on their era.  With that in mind, TOR can go anywhere! People can have their Jedi/Sith without complaint, since they are very abundent in this timeline, and there can be endless ammounts of possiblities here. Plus im sure we all can agree with Bioware and Lucas arts working together on this, this game has some huge patential! You will be seeing me there on day one!

SWG, before being sabotated, was the best and most innovative mmorpg. It was complex, immersive. I didn't care about the bugs and the other problems. It was like living there. The crafting system and the economy was very very good.

Now I see that bioware will focus on the "story", "make your own star wars saga" etc. This is a step back. Swg it was real. The cities, the economy. No things for kids or causal players. It was free and anarchic, it was a next generation mmorpg.

I remember I had spent hours in game talking about engines and ships components, and that was only a small part of all the game. Before the sabotage, you were able to be a creature handler, to genetically create animals and sell them, you had professions and not "classes", it was free. And -this- freedom made us feel like being in the SW universe, not in a story driven arcade game based upn quests. There were quests, and storilyne, but you were free to follow it or not, and you had to follow the fate and destiny to find them, like a jedi.

I really think they sabotated it as it's been said.

Now, I'm afraid that swtor will follow the other recently released mmorpgs, that it will be more simplified. I don't expect freedom, housing, a good trading and crafting system, player cities with politics and elections, things outside the main storyline of the saga, but thing that made that world -real-, alive.

sorry for the bad english, I hope you could understand..

Stefano

First things first. This poll only reflects the opinion of MMORPG members who follow SW:TOR.  

Secondly: SWG 2 or UO 2 both would be epic gaming history.

Thirdly: As someone said earlier this game is Guild Wars with jedi and a sub fee.  A glorified co-op game.

Youll never see me on this board again but I saw all the bs on SWG and had to say something.   Good bye SW TOR and good luck on your game hope you enjoy it.