Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

Finally, somebody who realizes wow that wow was the first mmo to ever use cooldowns!  Also, everything from WoW is totally original and it did not copy anything from any other game. Even DKP was created in WoW (it was everquest for those that dont know)

A cooldown for shooting a gun is much more believable then say a cooldown for gouging somebody's eyes out (although they do take 5 seconds to grow back).

Originally posted by fro1joe

Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

 

Finally, somebody who realizes wow that wow was the first mmo to ever use cooldowns!  Also, everything from WoW is totally original and it did not copy anything from any other game. Even DKP was created in WoW (it was everquest for those that dont know)

A cooldown for shooting a gun is much more believable then say a cooldown for gouging somebody's eyes out (although they do take 5 seconds to grow back).

Cooldown for firing guns AKA Recoil.All guns ahve it the bigger the gun the biggerthe recoil.Recoil pushes you up which is a delay so it would be considered as a cooldown.

The word cooldown sounds scary for many people as the don't understand what Masthead is doing there. It's the same thing EvE Online does within their system...

It's called Rate of Fire.

A modern Assault-Rifle seems to have no cooldowns, because the RoF is that high. But then you need to reload every 3 seconds, if you go on auto-fire. Reloading is also a cooldown.

So stop talking cooldowns for weapons please, as this is simply not the right term. We're talking of RoF here and every weapon has a RoF.
The powerful future guns in Earthrise have slow RoF as they need to charge energy for every shot first. It's that simple.

So if you want to play a game with no cooldowns, then your can play alot of MMOFPS that will come out within short order now, so just leave Earthrise alone.

Additionally, judging a game for an alpha-video, that was made to show the basic gamemechanics can hardly tell, how fast the combat will actually be in the end. You don't know, if the person was mashing the buttons as fast as he could, or if he was drinking coffee inbetween.

Just saying.

Originally posted by jrs77

The word cooldown sounds scary for many people as the don't understand what Masthead is doing there. It's the same thing EvE Online does within their system...

It's called Rate of Fire.

A modern Assault-Rifle seems to have no cooldowns, because the RoF is that high. But then you need to reload every 3 seconds, if you go on auto-fire. Reloading is also a cooldown.

So stop talking cooldowns for weapons please, as this is simply not the right term. We're talking of RoF here and every weapon has a RoF.
The powerful future guns in Earthrise have slow RoF as they need to charge energy for every shot first. It's that simple.

 

So if you want to play a game with no cooldowns, then your can play alot of MMOFPS that will come out within short order now, so just leave Earthrise alone.

Additionally, judging a game for an alpha-video, that was made to show the basic gamemechanics can hardly tell, how fast the combat will actually be in the end. You don't know, if the person was mashing the buttons as fast as he could, or if he was drinking coffee inbetween.

Just saying.

*Applauds* *claps*

Probably the dumbest, most ignorant comment I read on mmorpg.com and I've read some real beauties...

Lol. Cooldown = WoW clone. Are you serious or just being ironic? This statement is so incredibly... mentally challenged... that I really don't know what to do with it.

While the OP could have phrased it in a much more cognizant way, it'd be entirely ignorant to dismiss his point because of his anti-wow fanboyism.

The facts (from the early gameplay vids) remain: A large group of people believed this to be an MMO3PS/RPG hybrid. The presence of a hotbar showing a variety of action-oriented moves that would be done by mouseclicks in a FPS is very telling.

To say that people were hoping for "Darkfall with guns" is, at once, very truthful and off-mark. If we're going to stick with poorly fitted MMO analogies, describing the Earthrise as we know it as WoW-with-looting-and-guns is not so far off base.

Using WoW to describe the control method, instead of the base-building, crafting, etc is very apropos and very alarming to a great deal of people.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I didn't see a cooldown for firing a rifle. I saw a cooldown for a specific rifle attack and the absence of a normal rifle shot mixed with the absence of an aiming mechanic.

This could all change, of course, but I can only react to what has been shown- not what I hope will be.

The reason, why you have a  action-bar is quiet simple actually.

In a FPS you've to walk over a mdkit and it is directly applied to your healthpool. In a MMO like Earthrise however, you need to activate the "medkit" first. Without a action-bar this would'nt be possible, right?

Fallen Earth has reload-timers of 3 seconds, during which time you can't fire and the guns and other weapons have all a rate of fire. These are basic RPG-mechanics.
And Fallen Earth has a action-bar, allthough it looks like a 3rd person shooter basically and it plays as such aswell. The action-bar is needed to trigger abilities. And god forbid the abilities to have cooldowns, or weapons to have reload-timers...

Hell, i really hate when 10 year-old milk suckers dont just stick to consoles (untill theyr mental capabilities improve), but try to comment something that other ppl are doing for far longer then the little whiners' pathetic life - playing/ creating  MMORPG's

Dear topic starter, WoW is not the first MMORPG on the market. Stating that every other MMORPG is just "WOW with something else" is like saying that every music is like Elvis Presley, just a bit different or that the pancakes taste like chicken, but with maple syrup... Go play Mario Bros. for the next year and then every other game will (im sure) look to u exactly the same, JUST with guns/ swords/  RPG elements/ no jump and run etc. So get ur a$$ out of the Battlegrounds and go see what "a walk in the park is" ... no its not a special skill and there's no stamina requirement... actually there is but i'm sure that any WoW nerd could do it if he has the will to manage to stay awake for 36-48 hours waiting for the next instance group.

Peace.

Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

Hey braindead kid, listen.

Go troll some bigshot game company with infinite funding that keeps launching garbage MMOs.

Really.

There is no excuse for those well established rich companies for releasing trash after trash.

We deal here with young team of starting developers that are not afraid to take some risks and have shown a will (means no arrogance) to change their game to the customer`s liking.

Or just STFU, that`s also a good option for you.

This thread is officially obsolete. The original complaint was "guns with cooldowns waaaaagh!". Well look at this:

"We have sped up combat and movement, and given players complete control on their character. In comparison with traditional MMORPGs, Earthrise definitely feels more dynamic and deadlier."

Interview with Onlinewelten.

"Actually, just now we are developing a new combat system, because we met a fairly negative reaction from the players when they first showed fight to the public ... In addition, we reduce the recharge time skills, so that automatic weapons can, for example, to shoot without stopping." (May sound weird as it's translated from Russian.)

GoHa.ru as translated on the ER forums.

Man, this thread is utterly lame, and upsetting. MMORPG.com needs to give every member on here a number like 100 and a button beside are names, and everytime someone who has no friggin brain like the op, posts something like this crap, we can push that button and the number drops down by 1 or whatever ( you cant just keep pressing it, you can only click it once like every 24 hours or maybe 12 depending on the administrator) and when that number hits 0, your a$$ is deleted and banned from ever coming back to this site! PLEASE PLEASE implement this!!!  We dont need idiot posts like this!

Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

Yeah it sucks.

That gameplay movies backfired real badly.

Originally posted by Interesting

Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

 

Yeah it sucks.

That gameplay movies backfired real badly.

And the devs are responding, automatic weapons no longer have a cooldown and the rate of fire for other guns has been reduced. Check the sticky for the latest info.

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Originally posted by Interesting

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Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.
 
Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

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Yeah it sucks.
That gameplay movies backfired real badly.

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I don't see how it backfired. It exposed an incomplete and less than exciting combat system. The response to the video made the devs entirely re-design ER's combat engine.

Isn't this exactly the response ER's detractors wanted to illicit?

As an ER fanboi I'll admit that those videos, even in proper context, did not look impressive. I'm glad they shared the videos though so that they could gauge the feedback and realize they were headed in the wrong direction.

What was the alternative? Wait until it was close to beta and it was too late? All in all I think things have worked wonderfully IMO.

Combat has been promised to be more TPS/Tabula Rasa oriented which is fantastic. TR had the best combat of any MMO I've ever experienced. CoX had some pretty nice combat though... mostly due to the great integration of the Z axis and vertical movement.

Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

Well I guess you should keep playing WoW then!

Nobody wants that kind of players in Earthrise. And learn english before posting.

yes please do.

Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

Reminds me of fucking tabula rasa.

You're in the army, you have a gun and you had to buy the ammo... all because else WoW-quests wouldn't make sense.

When you recycle other games gameplay, you rarely realize that that element won't fit for yours.

Next clone, plz.

Originally posted by Gylfi

Originally posted by yukumo

Its because it is just WoW with guns.

 

Cooldown timers for firing guns?... my god... this is pathetic

Reminds me of fucking tabula rasa.

You're in the army, you have a gun and you had to buy the ammo... all because else WoW-quests wouldn't make sense.

When you recycle other games gameplay, you rarely realize that that element won't fit for yours.

Next clone, plz.

only an unobservant d-bag would compare this game to WoW and call it a clone....

next troll please...

Heh what always strikes me is how biased  players are while they're inside their cherished game... while it lasts, that is.

I understand that some of you people feel like defending this game out of pig-headedness and you won't accept the truth of playing another clone... nobody ever accepts being deep in the gutter

But, honestly, after seeing such fanboysm in EVERY single game that a month later fell on its ass, and they were STILL praising it and didn't accept any criticizing, guys like you only sound pathetic.

next clone, please.