Originally posted by JSquid

...but man, this one really hit the nail on the head for me.

Having played a large number of MMOs (UO being my first) I can honestly say I think I may have found what I've really been looking for with DFO. Darkfall is a true sandbox MMO with tons of room to explore and create your own storyline.

The moment I jumped into DF I was really grabbed by how huge the world really is. Combine that with the surprisingly good graphics (despite all the haters claiming the graphics are sub-par) I felt like I was really in this other world that I could explore for hours on end.

Additionally, the combat system, which may seem simple at first is truely something that is hard to master and seeing someone who is skilled at PvP is a real treat (I haven't had to game for a long time so I'm still getting better). It's truely a dynamic and innovative system.

Also, I joined up with a great guild and I've already participated in some large scale battles. I've yet to be in a game with such intense guild politics where territorial wars feel so meaningful.

All in all the game has really drawn me in and I think I've finally found the MMO that I've been searching for for so long.

Looks like some of the Darkfall Online fanbots are making alt mmorpg.com accounts to trick gamers into buying the game. Ultima Online was my first mmo in 1998, quit when AoS was released and I have been playing classic cough shards ever since. I beta tested Darkfall Online and I can say that the game is in no way the powerhouse that is UO aside from full loot. Darkfall Online does not have that sandbox feel what so ever that UO has.

It sucks that people need to lie about darkfall to trick people into buying the game.

OP i sincerely doubt that you played UO and i only say that because all the people that i know and have played UO, whenever i ask them to compare it to Darkfall they reply that they can't compare unsimilar things....

"Meaningful PVP"

I'm not sure what is so meaningful about killing a guy damn near bare ass for the fear he will loose his gear.

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by Nevulus

 

After hearing so much negativity about this game my guild decided not to bother and wait for a better PVP mmo,

 

 

But this is the problem, there isn`t alot of pvp mmo`s to chose from. We have EVE and Darkfall, that`s all.

 

Yes Darkfall is a FP mmo, but so are the only other two pvp mmo`s releasing in the near future. You and your guild might wait for several years to find what you want, because we pvpers can`t pick and choose like the pve players. It`s sadly not anywhere near as good as  UO was, but it`s the closest out there.

 

We would all like a full-loot mmo with UO gameplay,   wow animation and EVE politics in a place like Darkfall, but game only excist in our dreams. Darkfall isn`t a beauty, but it`s here. (Well said)

True indeed, it does feel like hardcore PVP is becoming rarer and rarer these days. Too many MMOs have "dumbed down" the genre. But There was some gems out there, Guild Wars was a nice instanced alternative, AoC wasnt AS bad as people claimed and only got better in time, and Mortal Online looks very promising indeed. I dont mind if its FP or third person, playing Oblivion made me used to the FP hack'n'slash and I actually prefer it now.

But thanks guys for your honest opinions, couple of you have broken it down nicely. Hopefully it helps others as well when deciding which MMO they'd like to sink their cash into when looking for a MMO alternative to the norm.

I hate how people refer to a game devoid of content as a sandbox.  A sandbox gives you the tools to do anything (or at least a TON of stuff) whenever, whereever, and however you want.

In Pre-CU SWG, I could do the following any time:

1. Solo Grind Combat PvE
2. Group Grind Combat PvE
3. Quest Combat, exploration, other skill PvE
4. Bounty-hunt PvE
5. Bounty-hunt PvP
6. PvP across the galaxy anywhere I wanted - starports, palaces, deserts, military bases
7. Destroy or defend PvP structures
8. Create a roleplaying event (they had tools to help you drop scenery down)
9. Craft as deep and detailed as you want (could play crafting for hours at a time without boring repetition)
10. Survey and gather resources (minigame in itself)
11. Go into a casino and gamble
12. Decorate houses
13. Play dress-up
14. Explore locations and scenes from StarWars lore
15. Build cities any way you want.  Including fountains, street lamps, shuttleports, hospitals, etc. 
16. Run for mayor
17. Hunt for rare beasts like the Gorax
18. Farm for treasure - crystals, krayt pearls
19. Dance/rock out/chat in the cantina
20. Countless other things - fishing, setting up camp, taming wild animals

You could do almost anything you could imagine and the SWG I played could be completely different from the SWG you played.  From everything I've seen and heard, DFO is not a sandbox by my definition.  Combat is vital to enjoyment, and for the most part, the only thing I've seen anyone care about in DFO.  That doesn't make it a bad game, it just makes it not a sandbox...and possibly not an RPG (Role-Playing Game).

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

fallen earth is fucking garbage, my beta account is getting dusty

That's a shame if it's true, the more games that do something different the better off everyone will be.

BTW in case you didn't notice, you are not allowed to like Darkfall and post on these forums unless you want to get flamed. 

Originally posted by cukimunga

Nope I haven't tried DFO, im thinking I won't like it, but who knows I haven't tried it yet.   I never played UO so I have nothing to base the game off of.   I've seen friends play it, but my computer sucked bad and couldn't even play that back in the day.  Ive played mostly PvE games in my MMO career, but enjoyed doing keep seiges in WAR when I played for a month. The game PvE was lacking and I need that to keep me interested. 

While I love PvP I never was big into FPS, when me and my friends would play id get bored of shooting people after 10 minutes. So unless DF has good PvE to go with the PvP, im most likely not going to enjoy the game.

PvE is probably one of the weaker parts of the game.   There aren't any scripted raid encounters or anything.   In this regard you will be probably be disappointed.

Originally posted by cukimunga

 

FFS = Fucking Full of Shit?   

It means For Fucks sake.. as knock it off already.. I wouldn't call df a complete sandbox.. It's more of .. an RTS game from a first person perspective.

Originally posted by Paragus1

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

fallen earth is fucking garbage, my beta account is getting dusty

 

That's a shame if it's true, the more games that do something different the better off everyone will be.

BTW in case you didn't notice, you are not allowed to like Darkfall and post on these forums unless you want to get flamed. 

I really don't get it. If you like Darkfall so much, why aren't you playing it, instead of posting on the forums? Then again, you're probably just AFK macroing your skills up whilst posting your marketing bull.

Generally forums = people disattisfied with the game. You don't fill in a customer report if you're happy with the service, but you do when you don't like it, it's exactly the same with forums.

Oh, by the way, how much're you getting paid?

Originally posted by egotrip

OP i sincerely doubt that you played UO and i only say that because all the people that i know and have played UO, whenever i ask them to compare it to Darkfall they reply that they can't compare unsimilar things....

a couple of my friends, who are playing darkfall... beta tested uo (and that's as far as they got).   and they think the games are similar.

to others out there... think about what i said.   =/

So is the general consensus that Darkfall is the Uwe Boll of MMORPGs?

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by egotrip

OP i sincerely doubt that you played UO and i only say that because all the people that i know and have played UO, whenever i ask them to compare it to Darkfall they reply that they can't compare unsimilar things....

 

a couple of my friends, who are playing darkfall... beta tested uo (and that's as far as they got).   and they think the games are similar.

 

to others out there... think about what i said.   =/

Oh yeah? In which manner similar?

The only similarity that i was given from them was the fact that in Darkfall and in UO you could kill and loot anyone, anywhere but that's about it. I don't have any experience with UO since i only have had my PC for 3 years now or so, but i have played Darkfall back in beta for a while and from the description that i got for UO along with my experience from actually playing Darkfall i came to the conclusion that apart from the full loot / open world pvp that both games have in common; other than that the games are worlds apart,in my opinion anyways.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by egotrip

OP i sincerely doubt that you played UO and i only say that because all the people that i know and have played UO, whenever i ask them to compare it to Darkfall they reply that they can't compare unsimilar things....

 

a couple of my friends, who are playing darkfall... beta tested uo (and that's as far as they got).   and they think the games are similar.

 

to others out there... think about what i said.   =/

Oh yeah? In which manner similar?

The only similarity that i was given from them was the fact that in Darkfall and in UO you could kill and loot anyone, anywhere but that's about it. I don't have any experience with UO since i only have had my PC for 3 years now or so, but i have played Darkfall back in beta for a while and from the description that i got for UO along with my experience from actually playing Darkfall i came to the conclusion that apart from the full loot / open world pvp that both games have in common; other than that the games are worlds apart,in my opinion anyways.

Why are you even bothering trying to explain to him? He said a "couple friends" (probably 1 or zero in reality) BETA tested UO? When did they do this? Had to of been about 10-11 years ago or so I believe. And if they beta tested, that probably means they didn't really play the game much or get to see everything it offfered. This is possibly the least credible thing on this thread so far, and that's saying something since the OP just made his account here and claims DF is a sandbox. *laughs*
 

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by egotrip

OP i sincerely doubt that you played UO and i only say that because all the people that i know and have played UO, whenever i ask them to compare it to Darkfall they reply that they can't compare unsimilar things....

 

a couple of my friends, who are playing darkfall... beta tested uo (and that's as far as they got).   and they think the games are similar.

 

to others out there... think about what i said.   =/

Oh yeah? In which manner similar?

The only similarity that i was given from them was the fact that in Darkfall and in UO you could kill and loot anyone, anywhere but that's about it. I don't have any experience with UO since i only have had my PC for 3 years now or so, but i have played Darkfall back in beta for a while and from the description that i got for UO along with my experience from actually playing Darkfall i came to the conclusion that apart from the full loot / open world pvp that both games have in common; other than that the games are worlds apart,in my opinion anyways.

Why are you even bothering trying to explain to him? He said a "couple friends" (probably 1 or zero in reality) BETA tested UO? When did they do this? Had to of been about 10-11 years ago or so I believe. And if they beta tested, that probably means they didn't really play the game much or get to see everything it offfered. This is possibly the least credible thing on this thread so far, and that's saying something since the OP just made his account here and claims DF is a sandbox. *laughs*
 

The OP is most likely one of the mods from their forums. Can no one post a review here who likes the game who hasn't made a username the same day of the review?

As for UO that comparison is stupid. Anyone even saying it is like UO is a general fanboy because there is nothing beside full loot that is similar. 

I stopped reading when you got to the part of it being a true sandbox game. At the point I realized you're still in the first 30 days honeymoon period. Come let us know what you think in a months time on whether you regard this a true sandbox game or not.

Originally posted by loxleynew

As for UO that comparison is stupid. Anyone even saying it is like UO is a general fanboy because there is nothing beside full loot that is similar. 

QFT. I played UO back pre-trammel and I understand the full loot experience.  Yes, DFO has that nervous looking-over-your-shoulder feel that UO had with its PVP.  But the similiarites end there.

DFO is NOTHING like UO aside from that.

stopped reading after seing his join date gg kthxbye fail more next time this is so fun watching darkfail failing more and more everyday

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by loxleynew

As for UO that comparison is stupid. Anyone even saying it is like UO is a general fanboy because there is nothing beside full loot that is similar. 

 

QFT. I played UO back pre-trammel and I understand the full loot experience.  Yes, DFO has that nervous looking-over-your-shoulder feel that UO had with its PVP.  But the similiarites end there.

DFO is NOTHING like UO aside from that.

There is no player housing, no vendors, no economy, no auction house.   'player' cities are prefabbed and boring and provide nothing really interesting for players.  It has a very simplistic gathering/crafting system that nobody really uses because it's so much easier and fun to just get the items from mobs.

DF is about as much of a 'sandbox' game as Call of Duty.

DF is just a big map, with a small number of mobs, and a bunch of FPS type fighting going on.  It is not even 'skill based' since you don't get more powerful with skill ups, until you hit the magic levels of 25,50,75,100....  UO had clear progression when you skilled up..  DF is just a leveling game, where your experience bar is the 1-24, 26-49,51-74 and 76-99 skill ups.

Not to mention the crazy amount of hacks, exploits and macroing that is part of normal gameplay

A Sandbox game is like UO, where the developers give you tool to develop depth to the game and you chose where to develop it.   DF is just an big absence of features.  Or to put it more like the reference.. UO is a sandbox where you have buckets, shovels and all kinds of little tools to do specialized things...  DF is like sitting in the middle of sandbox, with just your hands.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by JSquid

 

 Darkfall is a true sandbox MMO with tons of room to explore and create your own storyline.

 Combine that with the surprisingly good graphics (despite all the haters claiming the graphics are sub-par)

 

According to the high quality movies of the game posted all over the internet and the company's website depiction of the game, all I can say is that the graphics are truely a "work in progress" (to put it nicely) I have to remind myself its still in beta (is it?) and those things can be worked on later. But to outright say the graphics are truely immersive is disturbing. If you can fraps some HD video and link some of the better environments you have been to that made you feel this game has some great graphics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQWkpM9S1ww

There is your graphics.. The world enviroment is actually beautiful, better than any MMO I have played and I have played alot. The world is simply amazing, the shadows are done, very, very well, the wind is dynamic, every tree, every branch, bush and grass moves around according to the wind. They did it very well. The graphics of the game are not the problem, it is the animations, yes, those suck and need improvements. The animations are horrid, but the graphics actually make up for it, they are not as bad as you think. When you play the game you will go "Wow, not as bad as I thought."

I don't want to hear anyone going OMG 2001 GRAPHIX, LOL! Cause it is not at all.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by JSquid

I disagree. I think it is a sandbox in it's fullest sense. There's so much to do in the game. You literally can be or do anything you want. There's PvE, crafting, meaningful PvP, player owned cities, city sieges, guild politics, etc. And they all shape the game world as the player's see fit.

Lots of different definitions of what exactly is a sandbox game.  I prefer to measure games on how many sandbox type elements they have and to be sure, Darkfall has most of the normally accepted ones.

3 areas that its lacking where people tend to debate

1) No player owned housing.  Yes, they have player owned cities which is my preference actually, but to some people you not only need to have player owned housing, but it has to be physically present in the game world and not instanced to be a true sandbox game.

2) You really can't enjoy DF w/o doing combat from what I understand.  Some folks want UO's flexibility to live your entire life never picking up a sword or axe in anger, and it doesn't appear that this is true (at least not totally) in DF.

3)  The skill leveling system is a bit wonky, with breakpoints in actual power gains at the 25/50/75 and 100% marks.  Some argue this isn't truely in keeping with a sandbox game, but I think they are splitting hairs.

Glad to see you enjoy the game OP, but being this is your first visit, your post does come off extremely like a marketing plug and not an ernest appraisel of the game.

In fact, I always wonder why you and others even bother to make such posts, I'm never so inclined to promote the games I play like this.

 

What is with people and player housing?  It's by far the dumbest idea in an mmo ever.  "Yay!  I have a little pointless room that i can decorate and show off to my friends!"  Player owned housing has nothing to do with sandbox.  Sandbox means the players create the game content.  (pvp, crafting, guild wars, sieges) .  Housing is just a goofy little aside.