...but man, this one really hit the nail on the head for me.

Having played a large number of MMOs (UO being my first) I can honestly say I think I may have found what I've really been looking for with DFO. Darkfall is a true sandbox MMO with tons of room to explore and create your own storyline.

The moment I jumped into DF I was really grabbed by how huge the world really is. Combine that with the surprisingly good graphics (despite all the haters claiming the graphics are sub-par) I felt like I was really in this other world that I could explore for hours on end.

Additionally, the combat system, which may seem simple at first is truely something that is hard to master and seeing someone who is skilled at PvP is a real treat (I haven't had to game for a long time so I'm still getting better). It's truely a dynamic and innovative system.

Also, I joined up with a great guild and I've already participated in some large scale battles. I've yet to be in a game with such intense guild politics where territorial wars feel so meaningful.

All in all the game has really drawn me in and I think I've finally found the MMO that I've been searching for for so long.

DFO has the potential to be a great game, don't get me wrong, but theres a lot wrong with it

AND IT IS NOT A SANDBOX, ... ffs.. do you guys know what that means?

I disagree. I think it is a sandbox in it's fullest sense. There's so much to do in the game. You literally can be or do anything you want. There's PvE, crafting, meaningful PvP, player owned cities, city sieges, guild politics, etc. And they all shape the game world as the player's see fit.

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

DFO has the potential to be a great game, don't get me wrong, but theres a lot wrong with it

AND IT IS NOT A SANDBOX, ... ffs.. do you guys know what that means?

FFS = Fucking Full of Shit?    DF ins't a sandbox? I could have swore AV and everyone else claiming it is one.   But OP im glad you found a game you truely enjoy..... Im still looking. Got my eye on Aion and Fallen Earth........ Hopes one of those 2 will be my next FFXI. lol

Originally posted by cukimunga

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

DFO has the potential to be a great game, don't get me wrong, but theres a lot wrong with it

AND IT IS NOT A SANDBOX, ... ffs.. do you guys know what that means?

 

FFS = Fucking Full of Shit?    DF ins't a sandbox? I could have swore AV and everyone else claiming it is one.   But OP im glad you found a game you truely enjoy..... Im still looking. Got my eye on Aion and Fallen Earth........ Hopes one of those 2 will be my next FFXI. lol

fallen earth looks promising.

Originally posted by mcquaided

Do you smell the shill of this poster

 

 

Shilllllllll

I'm not sure what you mean by that or are trying to imply...i'll disregard that as I'm simply stating my feelings about a game that I truely do enjoy.

cukimunga: I too am glad I found a game that I enjoy. I hope those games turn out to be promising for you. Have you tried DFO though? I would urge you to check it out in the meantime while you're waiting for those games to be released.

I'd really like to give it a go but I can't unfortunatly buy it, everytime I look , the shop is offline and with my current situation,having a familly , work etc, I cant just sit there and wait until it open.

Originally posted by trillah

I'd really like to give it a go but I can't unfortunatly buy it, everytime I look , the shop is offline and with my current situation,having a familly , work etc, I cant just sit there and wait until it open.

I was in a similar situation however I got lucky on one of my days off and managed to get a copy. Best of luck to you though as the game is truely a quality product. It's unfortunate that they haven't opened up more servers yet and sell more copies as it seems they should have the subcription numbers to do so by now.

This is just amazing.

Go to the Warhammer forums and do one on that game. The response would be even better.

Originally posted by JSquid

I disagree. I think it is a sandbox in it's fullest sense. There's so much to do in the game. You literally can be or do anything you want. There's PvE, crafting, meaningful PvP, player owned cities, city sieges, guild politics, etc. And they all shape the game world as the player's see fit.

Lots of different definitions of what exactly is a sandbox game.  I prefer to measure games on how many sandbox type elements they have and to be sure, Darkfall has most of the normally accepted ones.

3 areas that its lacking where people tend to debate

1) No player owned housing.  Yes, they have player owned cities which is my preference actually, but to some people you not only need to have player owned housing, but it has to be physically present in the game world and not instanced to be a true sandbox game.

2) You really can't enjoy DF w/o doing combat from what I understand.  Some folks want UO's flexibility to live your entire life never picking up a sword or axe in anger, and it doesn't appear that this is true (at least not totally) in DF.

3)  The skill leveling system is a bit wonky, with breakpoints in actual power gains at the 25/50/75 and 100% marks.  Some argue this isn't truely in keeping with a sandbox game, but I think they are splitting hairs.

Glad to see you enjoy the game OP, but being this is your first visit, your post does come off extremely like a marketing plug and not an ernest appraisel of the game.

In fact, I always wonder why you and others even bother to make such posts, I'm never so inclined to promote the games I play like this.

Originally posted by LogothX

This is just amazing.

 

Go to the Warhammer forums and do one on that game. The response would be even better.

I actually haven't played WAR. I'm more of a fan of sandbox games like UO, SWG and DFO is but I'd be willing to try WAR as I'm always open to new games.

Originally posted by mcquaided

Originally posted by cukimunga

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

DFO has the potential to be a great game, don't get me wrong, but theres a lot wrong with it

AND IT IS NOT A SANDBOX, ... ffs.. do you guys know what that means?

 

FFS = Fucking Full of Shit?    DF ins't a sandbox? I could have swore AV and everyone else claiming it is one.   But OP im glad you found a game you truely enjoy..... Im still looking. Got my eye on Aion and Fallen Earth........ Hopes one of those 2 will be my next FFXI. lol

fallen earth looks promising.

fallen earth is fucking garbage, my beta account is getting dusty

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by JSquid

I disagree. I think it is a sandbox in it's fullest sense. There's so much to do in the game. You literally can be or do anything you want. There's PvE, crafting, meaningful PvP, player owned cities, city sieges, guild politics, etc. And they all shape the game world as the player's see fit.

Lots of different definitions of what exactly is a sandbox game.  I prefer to measure games on how many sandbox type elements they have and to be sure, Darkfall has most of the normally accepted ones.

3 areas that its lacking where people tend to debate

1) No player owned housing.  Yes, they have player owned cities which is my preference actually, but to some people you not only need to have player owned housing, but it has to be physically present in the game world and not instanced to be a true sandbox game.

2) You really can't enjoy DF w/o doing combat from what I understand.  Some folks want UO's flexibility to live your entire life never picking up a sword or axe in anger, and it doesn't appear that this is true (at least not totally) in DF.

3)  The skill leveling system is a bit wonky, with breakpoints in actual power gains at the 25/50/75 and 100% marks.  Some argue this isn't truely in keeping with a sandbox game, but I think they are splitting hairs.

Glad to see you enjoy the game OP, but being this is your first visit, your post does come off extremely like a marketing plug and not an ernest appraisel of the game.

In fact, I always wonder why you and others even bother to make such posts, I'm never so inclined to promote the games I play like this.

 

1. This is true for some players but to me is just a technicality. I feel like player owned cities are much more important which I see is your preference as well as mine.

2. Somewhat true. It is possible to be a strict crafter. Being in a good guild helps.

3. As I'm somewhat newer to the game I have yet to see the full effects of this system however I too think this is another minute detail.

Well I make such a post because I've seen a lot of negative posts on these boards and I wish to try and give a more objective opinion about the game and possibly have more people be willing to try the game out without automatically dismissing it (without even giving it a try).

Originally posted by JSquid

Originally posted by mcquaided

Do you smell the shill of this poster

 

 

Shilllllllll

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that or are trying to imply...i'll disregard that as I'm simply stating my feelings about a game that I truely do enjoy.

cukimunga: I too am glad I found a game that I enjoy. I hope those games turn out to be promising for you. Have you tried DFO though? I would urge you to check it out in the meantime while you're waiting for those games to be released.

Nope I haven't tried DFO, im thinking I won't like it, but who knows I haven't tried it yet.   I never played UO so I have nothing to base the game off of.   I've seen friends play it, but my computer sucked bad and couldn't even play that back in the day.  Ive played mostly PvE games in my MMO career, but enjoyed doing keep seiges in WAR when I played for a month. The game PvE was lacking and I need that to keep me interested. 

While I love PvP I never was big into FPS, when me and my friends would play id get bored of shooting people after 10 minutes. So unless DF has good PvE to go with the PvP, im most likely not going to enjoy the game.

Originally posted by JSquid

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by JSquid

I disagree. I think it is a sandbox in it's fullest sense. There's so much to do in the game. You literally can be or do anything you want. There's PvE, crafting, meaningful PvP, player owned cities, city sieges, guild politics, etc. And they all shape the game world as the player's see fit.

Lots of different definitions of what exactly is a sandbox game.  I prefer to measure games on how many sandbox type elements they have and to be sure, Darkfall has most of the normally accepted ones.

3 areas that its lacking where people tend to debate

1) No player owned housing.  Yes, they have player owned cities which is my preference actually, but to some people you not only need to have player owned housing, but it has to be physically present in the game world and not instanced to be a true sandbox game.

2) You really can't enjoy DF w/o doing combat from what I understand.  Some folks want UO's flexibility to live your entire life never picking up a sword or axe in anger, and it doesn't appear that this is true (at least not totally) in DF.

3)  The skill leveling system is a bit wonky, with breakpoints in actual power gains at the 25/50/75 and 100% marks.  Some argue this isn't truely in keeping with a sandbox game, but I think they are splitting hairs.

Glad to see you enjoy the game OP, but being this is your first visit, your post does come off extremely like a marketing plug and not an ernest appraisel of the game.

In fact, I always wonder why you and others even bother to make such posts, I'm never so inclined to promote the games I play like this.

 

 

1. This is true for some players but to me is just a technicality. I feel like player owned cities are much more important which I see is your preference as well as mine.

2. Somewhat true. It is possible to be a strict crafter. Being in a good guild helps.

3. As I'm somewhat newer to the game I have yet to see the full effects of this system however I too think this is another minute detail.

Well I make such a post because I've seen a lot of negative posts on these boards and I wish to try and give a more objective opinion about the game and possibly have more people be willing to try the game out without automatically dismissing it (without even giving it a try).

OK, fair enough, but right now the only thing really holding back more people from trying DF is Aventurine itself and their inability to bring new servers on line and open the game up to more players more quickly.

Sure, some folks are holding back from that they've read, but mostly the problem right now lies in the distritbution/financial model.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by JSquid

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by JSquid

I disagree. I think it is a sandbox in it's fullest sense. There's so much to do in the game. You literally can be or do anything you want. There's PvE, crafting, meaningful PvP, player owned cities, city sieges, guild politics, etc. And they all shape the game world as the player's see fit.

Lots of different definitions of what exactly is a sandbox game.  I prefer to measure games on how many sandbox type elements they have and to be sure, Darkfall has most of the normally accepted ones.

3 areas that its lacking where people tend to debate

1) No player owned housing.  Yes, they have player owned cities which is my preference actually, but to some people you not only need to have player owned housing, but it has to be physically present in the game world and not instanced to be a true sandbox game.

2) You really can't enjoy DF w/o doing combat from what I understand.  Some folks want UO's flexibility to live your entire life never picking up a sword or axe in anger, and it doesn't appear that this is true (at least not totally) in DF.

3)  The skill leveling system is a bit wonky, with breakpoints in actual power gains at the 25/50/75 and 100% marks.  Some argue this isn't truely in keeping with a sandbox game, but I think they are splitting hairs.

Glad to see you enjoy the game OP, but being this is your first visit, your post does come off extremely like a marketing plug and not an ernest appraisel of the game.

In fact, I always wonder why you and others even bother to make such posts, I'm never so inclined to promote the games I play like this.

 

 

1. This is true for some players but to me is just a technicality. I feel like player owned cities are much more important which I see is your preference as well as mine.

2. Somewhat true. It is possible to be a strict crafter. Being in a good guild helps.

3. As I'm somewhat newer to the game I have yet to see the full effects of this system however I too think this is another minute detail.

Well I make such a post because I've seen a lot of negative posts on these boards and I wish to try and give a more objective opinion about the game and possibly have more people be willing to try the game out without automatically dismissing it (without even giving it a try).

OK, fair enough, but right now the only thing really holding back more people from trying DF is Aventurine itself and their inability to bring new servers on line and open the game up to more players more quickly.

Sure, some folks are holding back from that they've read, but mostly the problem right now lies in the distritbution/financial model.

 

I agree. It's unfortunate that they haven't been able to keep up with demand.
 

Originally posted by JSquid

 

 Darkfall is a true sandbox MMO with tons of room to explore and create your own storyline.

 Combine that with the surprisingly good graphics (despite all the haters claiming the graphics are sub-par)

After hearing so much negativity about this game my guild decided not to bother and wait for a better PVP mmo, I decided to continue to follow up on the game and hope all the drama I been reading is just pure hating. So I came upon the OPs thread and said to myself "finally some positive feedback" and believed everything you said until you got to the above 2 statements.

You lost all credibility .

According to the high quality movies of the game posted all over the internet and the company's website depiction of the game, all I can say is that the graphics are truely a "work in progress" (to put it nicely) I have to remind myself its still in beta (is it?) and those things can be worked on later. But to outright say the graphics are truely immersive is disturbing. If you can fraps some HD video and link some of the better environments you have been to that made you feel this game has some great graphics.

Also how long have you played the game?

Having played UO I would hope you understand the true meaning of a sandbox game? A friend of mine gave me his feedback on darkfall's "sandbox" mentality and told me "Its basically a PVP FPS with guild cities and no player housing."

Is he correct? That doesnt sound like a sandbox game to me.

I am hoping I could get some constructive answers rather then hateful and ignorant comments. I figure in a positive thread as this I'd get some more positive responses as opposed to the immense negativity surrounding this game.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by JSquid

 

 Darkfall is a true sandbox MMO with tons of room to explore and create your own storyline.

 Combine that with the surprisingly good graphics (despite all the haters claiming the graphics are sub-par)

 

After hearing so much negativity about this game my guild decided not to bother and wait for a better PVP mmo, I decided to continue to follow up on the game and hope all the drama I been reading is just pure hating. So I came upon the OPs thread and said to myself "finally some positive feedback" and believed everything you said until you got to the above 2 statements.

You lost all credibility .

According to the high quality movies of the game posted all over the internet and the company's website depiction of the game, all I can say is that the graphics are truely a "work in progress" (to put it nicely) I have to remind myself its still in beta (is it?) and those things can be worked on later. But to outright say the graphics are truely immersive is disturbing. If you can fraps some HD video and link some of the better environments you have been to that made you feel this game has some great graphics.

Also how long have you played the game?

Having played UO I would hope you understand the true meaning of a sandbox game? A friend of mine gave me his feedback on darkfall's "sandbox" mentality and told me "Its basically a PVP FPS with guild cities and no player housing."

Is he correct? That doesnt sound like a sandbox game to me.

I am hoping I could get some constructive answers rather then hateful and ignorant comments. I figure in a positive thread as this I'd get some more positive responses as opposed to the immense negativity surrounding this game.

I've played the game and you're friend's feedback is a lot more accurate than the OP's. It's definitiely a game that feels like it's in beta and from what I've heard (I no longer play the game) the "patches" they are releasing are causing more issues sometimes than they are fixing.
 

As far as the graphics...they look better when you play the game than the videos represent but they are still outdated compared to what's been released lately (even games a year before Darkfall) and they aren't very stylized...at all.

All in all, although some people will say "you can do anything you want...etc. the truth is the content and features that would make this game feel more like a sanbox and less like a PVP FPS aren't there either because they were left out due to time contraints and just neglected (I don't know which).

The crafting is pretty run of the mill and the PvE is largely put on the backburner to PvP for a few reasons. 1. lack of mobs (again I don't think this was entirely intentional as there are dungeons that are empty) 2. the AI they raved about isn't any better than your average MMO

Additionally, the player housing is non-existant and the sieges and city building still need a LOT of kinks to be worked out of them before they function as they should (none of this even touches the other side of the issue...the way the company is running the game and the billing/customer service issues aka lack of copies to be sold because they can't afford another server right now).

So, stay away...at least for now.

Originally posted by Nevulus

 

After hearing so much negativity about this game my guild decided not to bother and wait for a better PVP mmo,

 

But this is the problem, there isn`t alot of pvp mmo`s to chose from. We have EVE and Darkfall, that`s all.

Yes Darkfall is a FP mmo, but so are the only other two pvp mmo`s releasing in the near future. You and your guild might wait for several years to find what you want, because we pvpers can`t pick and choose like the pve players. It`s sadly not anywhere near as good as  UO was, but it`s the closest out there.

We would all like a full-loot mmo with UO gameplay,   wow animation and EVE politics in a place like Darkfall, but game only excist in our dreams. Darkfall isn`t a beauty, but it`s here.

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Originally posted by Vinterkrig

DFO has the potential to be a great game, don't get me wrong, but theres a lot wrong with it
AND IT IS NOT A SANDBOX, ... ffs.. do you guys know what that means?

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 Hi, I'd like to amplify the question this guy asks:

It's obviously a very open world and very large but is it really a sandbox world - rather than a free-ranging, no rules FFA PVP game?

I suppose the closest thing I have come so far to a real sandbox is pre-CU SWG. If any of you know that game, would you say DF is a sandbox like that?