Let us establish exactly what people think should be done about Warhammer

/bump when you vote so we can get a large and representative sample :)

Although I don't think Mythic is capable of solving the problems they have with their game, I also don't think they'll shut it down any time soon.  By soon I mean for a much longer time than the paltry 6 or 7 months this game's been live.  Same problems we told them of in beta and they just don't have the technical savvy to fix.  They know what the problem is, they just, can't fix it and it drives away people because it gets damn old really fast.

People can look past many things in a game, but if you don't have the fundamentals such as controls, syncing, casting lag, reaction and general feel of "weight" behind your combat actions down, then peeps will look for games that do.  Such as F2P titles where at least they have the controls and feeling correct, even if the game is shallow.  I mean, if we're going to pay...may as well just play something else that is lacklustre for free and save the money.   But close it down?  No, it's too early for that.

Trust me, I played Hellgate and yes, I could tell that was going to shut down and came as no surpise when it did.  But War is still...well it still has potential if they just stopped doing everything until they got the sync right and gave the  controls and "character feel" a complete revamp.  Start from scratch, get one character right, get it *perfect* you know.  Then fix the other characters.

The issue is this, for those that haven't played and wonder what I'm jabbering about.  You press your shadowbolt skill.   Then there's like...couple millisecond pause between when the casting animation starts and the cast bar starts firing up.  Then the gcd starts ticking down and you'll see the spell start flying.  Then, by now the GCD is up and you should be able to cast the spell again but you get this awkward sort of pause between when you think you should be able to cast and when you actually can.  All this while the screen is registering that you, by rights, should be able to get that spell off again.  And when you do again...you start that same process over again, with that awkward little dead space after you press the button.  Now, repeat this tens of thousands of times in your character's career.  All the time aiming at a target that, in the distance, has it's animation looking terrble and out of sync to what he's doing as well and the whole thing feels like you're just flushing your money down the toilet because you're paying people that really don't deserve to be charging for such amateur garbage.

 But no, I don't think it will shut down, I just think it will flounder more as we watch it writhe and decay under the growing malaise of it's incompetent devs.  Incompetent is not an insult in this case.  Just merely, a fact.  They do not have the competence to fix this problem.  It would be nothing short of a miracle for their team to finally, really solve it.  Either that or hire someone who knows what they're doing, like you know, every other single game that doesn't have this problem...even the low budge free to play titles.  This game was the biggest dissappointment for me yet and I held out hope for a long time they would get it right eventually, but here I am still waiting. 

Won't close it though in the meantime lots of people still enjoy it and play it, they can overlook the things that really get to others, like myself that would simply not endure it and much less pay for it when comparable offerings with much better "feel" to the game are out there to waste time with, but for free.

I predict the game will have a half dozen expansions in the next 10 years.

I played Warhammer in Beta and release. As I see it Warhammer has potential to be one of the best games out there if they were to implement the following:

**WARNING: My OPINIONS are posted below, I do not claim any of this to be factual, you may disagree**

No more scenarios, I think that scenarios wreck a game that is supposed to have a large portion of it's foundation based on open PvP (RvR). When I played I could never find anyone to PQ or open PvP with beacause everyone was scenario grinding.

Bring in the other capital cities, and quick. Leaving each side of a war with only one objective at the end game hurts. If each side had all three of their cities it would keep things from getting stale as quick.

Balance, balance, balance. This one may seem obvious, but the game does not need to be balanced to make each class viable against every other class, it needs to be balanced so that a group vs. a group will be even. I'm not sure how to complete such a feat, but this is what is needed.

Do something with the combat system. I'm not sure what it is but combat in WAR to me felt sluggish and non responsive.

I think with the above things WAR could be a good game.

Originally posted by Sober_Sean

Although I don't think Mythic is capable of solving the problems they have with their game, I also don't think they'll shut it down any time soon.  By soon I mean for a much longer time than the paltry 6 or 7 months this game's been live.  Same problems we told them of in beta and they just don't have the technical savvy to fix.  They know what the problem is, they just, can't fix it and it drives away people because it gets damn old really fast.

 

People can look past many things in a game, but if you don't have the fundamentals such as controls, syncing, casting lag, reaction and general feel of "weight" behind your combat actions down, then peeps will look for games that do.  Such as F2P titles where at least they have the controls and feeling correct, even if the game is shallow.  I mean, if we're going to pay...may as well just play something else that is lacklustre for free and save the money.   But close it down?  No, it's too early for that.

 

Trust me, I played Hellgate and yes, I could tell that was going to shut down and came as no surpise when it did.  But War is still...well it still has potential if they just stopped doing everything until they got the sync right and gave the  controls and "character feel" a complete revamp.  Start from scratch, get one character right, get it *perfect* you know.  Then fix the other characters.

 

The issue is this, for those that haven't played and wonder what I'm jabbering about.  You press your shadowbolt skill.   Then there's like...couple millisecond pause between when the casting animation starts and the cast bar starts firing up.  Then the gcd starts ticking down and you'll see the spell start flying.  Then, by now the GCD is up and you should be able to cast the spell again but you get this awkward sort of pause between when you think you should be able to cast and when you actually can.  All this while the screen is registering that you, by rights, should be able to get that spell off again.  And when you do again...you start that same process over again, with that awkward little dead space after you press the button.  Now, repeat this tens of thousands of times in your character's career.  All the time aiming at a target that, in the distance, has it's animation looking terrble and out of sync to what he's doing as well and the whole thing feels like you're just flushing your money down the toilet because you're paying people that really don't deserve to be charging for such amateur garbage.

 But no, I don't think it will shut down, I just think it will flounder more as we watch it writhe and decay under the growing malaise of it's incompetent devs.  Incompetent is not an insult in this case.  Just merely, a fact.  They do not have the competence to fix this problem.  It would be nothing short of a miracle for their team to finally, really solve it.  Either that or hire someone who knows what they're doing, like you know, every other single game that doesn't have this problem...even the low budge free to play titles.  This game was the biggest dissappointment for me yet and I held out hope for a long time they would get it right eventually, but here I am still waiting. 

Won't close it though in the meantime lots of people still enjoy it and play it, they can overlook the things that really get to others, like myself that would simply not endure it and much less pay for it when comparable offerings with much better "feel" to the game are out there to waste time with, but for free.

If what I am reading here is true then this is a case of bad design. Looks to me like the timing is on the client side. Client starts the timer when the button is pressed and the actions are on the server side. Key press is sent to server to process action . There is a delay of transmittion and processing. Server sends action to perform and then commences to calculate the cycle. Meanwhile the client side time has expired.

Yeah this will cause a lot of frustrating for the player. The server should be doing the timing cycle not the client. The whole package needs a rework to fix that.

Originally posted by skeaser

I played Warhammer in Beta and release. As I see it Warhammer has potential to be one of the best games out there if they were to implement the following:

**WARNING: My OPINIONS are posted below, I do not claim any of this to be factual, you may disagree**

No more scenarios, I think that scenarios wreck a game that is supposed to have a large portion of it's foundation based on open PvP (RvR). When I played I could never find anyone to PQ or open PvP with beacause everyone was scenario grinding.

Bring in the other capital cities, and quick. Leaving each side of a war with only one objective at the end game hurts. If each side had all three of their cities it would keep things from getting stale as quick.

Balance, balance, balance. This one may seem obvious, but the game does not need to be balanced to make each class viable against every other class, it needs to be balanced so that a group vs. a group will be even. I'm not sure how to complete such a feat, but this is what is needed.

Do something with the combat system. I'm not sure what it is but combat in WAR to me felt sluggish and non responsive.

 

I think with the above things WAR could be a good game.

That's a lot, and i doubt Mythic can pull it off...ever.

Originally posted by skeaser

I played Warhammer in Beta and release. As I see it Warhammer has potential to be one of the best games out there if they were to implement the following:

**WARNING: My OPINIONS are posted below, I do not claim any of this to be factual, you may disagree**

No more scenarios, I think that scenarios wreck a game that is supposed to have a large portion of it's foundation based on open PvP (RvR). When I played I could never find anyone to PQ or open PvP with beacause everyone was scenario grinding.

Bring in the other capital cities, and quick. Leaving each side of a war with only one objective at the end game hurts. If each side had all three of their cities it would keep things from getting stale as quick.

Balance, balance, balance. This one may seem obvious, but the game does not need to be balanced to make each class viable against every other class, it needs to be balanced so that a group vs. a group will be even. I'm not sure how to complete such a feat, but this is what is needed.

Do something with the combat system. I'm not sure what it is but combat in WAR to me felt sluggish and non responsive.

 

I think with the above things WAR could be a good game.

It would have been an awesome game if they didn't take out all the the things I like about  MMO's.   Like weapon dmg, a good crafting system, an actuall death penalty.   I enjoyed the RvR it was a blast and really the only good thing about the game. It was just sad that a lot of people were always in scenarios all the time.   I agree they need to get rid of them, i don't fighting like that.  I think all fighting should be done spontanously, its like in real life I would never say to someone meet me out in the parking lot at 3.  Id just punch them in the face right then and there.

But as for balance, it will never happen it still hasent happend in WoW yet,   I was fighting a Pally with my Hunter same lvl not sure what gear they had on but. Every time I almost killed them they healed themselves to full health.  It happend 2 times in one fight it was dumb as hell.

I am all for closing it down, if Mythic were to refocus their attention on Dark age of Camelot, and either release the origins server, relaunch the game, or start developing a DAOC2

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

I am all for closing it down, if Mythic were to refocus their attention on Dark age of Camelot, and either release the origins server, relaunch the game, or start developing a DAOC2

Yeah I just downloaded the DAOC trial and its cool so far, I havent played much of it yet.  DAOC is a totally different game than WAR, or so it feels that way to me.

Where's the option of: let the markets handle it?

edited by me

Why would you petition to close the game down.

I think EA can figure that out on their own.. or with the help of their share holders.

Pretending the thread is supposed to be "serious"..

The only way that would happen is if the game was losing money (I have no idea... but obviously EA would know if it was..)  I'm sure they would cut this loose before they would allow it to affect say.. The Old Republic and the 860+ million they invested just with the purchase of BioWare.

Then again they would probably try to sell Mythic off to SOE before they would just shut the game down.  Station Access would be the perfect home for WAR... (just pretend that its funny..)

 Bumpety bump bump

Agree with the 2nd poster about the lag, stuttering etc that's been affecting this game before launch till now and i can safetly say that the dev dont know whats the problem.

So im all for them to shut down this game, redo it using another engine and seriously need to buff up the pve contents of the game. Dont waste such a good ip. Maybe Mythic is the first company that shut down a game and re-release it again, but who cares?! Just launch it right next time and many players will forget aboput the past and hop onto it....

Yap, and i lol'ed about the soe pass thing..... /sign....

Why would you close a game down? People enjoy playing it, just because you don't doesn't mean that no one else can. Very one-sided poll also. Goes from "Not sure" to "Uber"

Try having an objective view to the whole situation and think of the current playerbase that enjoys the game and not only you who cannot.

Originally posted by Murdus

Why would you close a game down? People enjoy playing it, just because you don't doesn't mean that no one else can. Very one-sided poll also. Goes from "Not sure" to "Uber"

Try having an objective view to the whole situation and think of the current playerbase that enjoys the game and not only you who cannot.

Hey, we all look out for our own self interests, and some folks feel this game is broken in ways that cannot be resolved due to flaws in its core design.

As such, it is draining resources from Mythic who should be working on DAOC 2, (IMO of course) or to release a good version of WAR that more people can enjoy.

Just because 50-100K people enjoy a game doesn't mean the rest of us feel a great IP should go so underutilized.

I think I once read that WAR's engine was based on the original DAOC one and improved.  That was probably a mistake if true.

In the true nature of Warhammer, I declare this mess a Heresy and wish to see it purged.

Also, I think WAR blows.

Yap, they are using the same engine as DAOC:  darksentinelsofwar.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/warhammer-online-built-using-gamebryo-element/  ,    www.emergent.net/en/Clients--Titles/MMOG/Warhammer-Online-Age-of-Reckoning/

But i wonder why this would cause the problem? Seeing that by now they should be very well verse with this engine?

Originally posted by arctarus

Yap, they are using the same engine as DAOC:  darksentinelsofwar.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/warhammer-online-built-using-gamebryo-element/  ,    www.emergent.net/en/Clients--Titles/MMOG/Warhammer-Online-Age-of-Reckoning/

But i wonder why this would cause the problem? Seeing that by now they should be very well verse with this engine?

 

 

Just because it is Gamebryo Element does not mean it had the same programmers and Gamebryo Element is not the same as it was back in 1999. I already stated the cause because I just spent a couple days working through a very similar problem. The timing cycle is either on the client side or starting before the calculations a carried out so the timing gets out of sync and causes all kinds of weird stuff. including the animations to get out of sync.

Keridwan I really thought that alot of your threads had some valid points but this one is just horrible, I'am a little dissapointed that you would lower your standards this much.

And as far as the game goes i'am loving it and totally don;t understand where you are coming from.

Yeah I don't think it should be shut down, that's just silly.. in fact this whole thing is kinda stupid. WAR has been out how long? A year if that? They have plenty of time to fix any problems and frankly they don't have nearly as many problems as other MMOs that have been out there longer. Plus they have a lot of things going from them. 

While PERSONALLY I think they could have done a much better job with the game. It was good and other people love it. I think it will be fine.

Terrible thread. There is no reason to make a petition to close down Warhammer. Hey, if you dislike, hate, loathe a game, that is one thing. You can rip on it all you want. But some people out there may enjoy it.

If Mythic is making money, good for them. Obviously they know more about what they are doing then you do, since your MMO's you have released are doing so well too....

Originally posted by Swanea

Terrible thread. There is no reason to make a petition to close down Warhammer. Hey, if you dislike, hate, loathe a game, that is one thing. You can rip on it all you want. But some people out there may enjoy it. 

The Petition begged the question and offered four alternatives along a range. If you read the title of the thread carefully it ends with a "?" which also begs the question "should we or shouldn't we". It is an open question.

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Originally posted by Keridwan

The Petition begged the question and offered four alternatives along a range. If you read the title of the thread carefully it ends with a "?" which also begs the question "should we or shouldn't we". It is an open question.

Your poll is lacking what I would consider the most important option:

"No. As long as it maintains enough subs to be profitable then it deserves to live."

I would never seek to have a game shut down purely on the basis that I don't like it.

Whatever happened to respecting one anothers preferences?

Keridwan, based on a thread or so a month or two back... you DO have a problem with Warhammer. Trying to convince people that your poll is neutral does not detach you from the foundation which convinced you to start this thread/poll.