Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

So many stupid people posting in this thread.....

How many people do we hear everyday saying a company doesn't do shit against hackers and now that DarkFall is actually taking the matter seriously, they find a new reason to cry! WTF?

What are they doing wrong now? Banning players who uses IIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII as their name? or maybe astaohifoashtoeahp? What's so bad about this? I mean do you really expect to become friend with a player called haryatgagaga? Have you ever seen a player called this way and did not use any hack? (excluding high level players who does not have to hack anymore as they have reached max level).

I mean seriously....it's the first company that ban those stupid people for obviously hacking. For people who say "what if someone has illi as his name?" Do you think Aventurine is dumb enough not to make a difference between a real name and IIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIII? C'mon. As for others who are crying about this matter, why does it bother you? Is it because you also use such name and hack?

Oh...before you start calling me a fanboy.....No. I am not and I do not wish to buy this game either for various reasons based on many mistake they did BUT for once I must say that they have made the good choice of banning those assholes. I just wish more companies would take this path too.

As for people who say : "Yeah well they could just program something to rename character" Why? So players can hack, grow stronger and then change their name to erase all trace? Choosing IIIIII IIIIIIIIIII as a name is more of a curse than anything else....don't allow them heal this curse.
 

Glass houses man...
 

Ban for hacking yes...name? no...a guy named Ray can hack just as easy. A guay named an appropriate fantasy name like Deverous The Foul can decide they might as well hack to keep on a lvl playing field so they can compete..

Completly true. But let's agree on the same thing, chances are that if someone is using such a confusing name (i.e IlllllllIIIll IIIlll) he does hack? Instead of searching for ALL players with normal names who are using hacks, Aventurine leave the players to take care of this (by reporting) while they takes care of the more....obvious case.

Devs have always had the ability to ban people based on their names, they've just never enforced it much, glad to see someone finally is, everyone with nonfantasy names in a fantasy MMo kinda dont fit, its not hard to come up with a decent name.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by srsh12345

I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea.  

How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all.  Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far.  For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces.

More MMOs need to do this.

Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.

Going to have to double post here. My bad.

I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by srsh12345

I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea.  

How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all.  Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far.  For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces.

More MMOs need to do this.

Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.

Once again you fail to understand the original post from Tasos, it reads:

"In 48 hours characters with names made in an effort to confuse GMs and other players, for example adding a string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) in their names will start getting their host accounts permanently banned. If you have a character like that, delete him and make a new one with a proper name."

There is NO mention of your usual, run of the mill, MMo names i.e;

l33thaX << childish but not confusing

IartehpVpK1d << childish but not made in an attempt to hinder GMs

urM0m1uv5go47s << As above

it clearly states: names made in an effort to confuse GMs + string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) as an example. He doesn't even conclude that these people are cheating or likely to cheat .

I still maintain anyone using a name with IIIIIII||||||||| is being a gimp, and I LOVE the fact that tasos is telling them to get real or get out.

For the record, I do not currently play DF.

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by skydragonren

1. I do have a degree, a very nice one, looks nice on my desk at work.

2. I am not a kid.

Then you are just another proof than even adults with degrees can be immature. Defending people who intentionally use stupid names to disrupt gameplay or abuse mechanics means that either you're to dumb to realize why those people are doing it, or that you're one of those people, or that you're just trolling. Make your choice.

 

Ok explain to me how !I!I!I!I!I!!I!I who doesn't cheat is affecting your gameplay.

If he did that would be different. Let's just say though he does not he is legit, just has !!I!I!II!!I for a name.

How is he affecting your gameplay or abusing mechanics?

 

I can't think of a single thing in game that his name is going to do to affect you.

He isn't bothering you, just running along looking to kill players and get loot like you.

How is he affecting you?

That is what I thought.

Even if he is not cheating, his name is stupid and destroys other players immersion in the game.  And should someone wish to report him, his name makes it difficult to report him

Developers should not have to code in mechanics to prevent cheating and stupidity, people seem to forget its the cheaters fault, not the game devs.

I routinely report players with offensive names in any game that bothers to enforce a naming policy. (I wish EVE did more).

Yes, I am a name nazi, and if you are messing with my enjoyment of the game, if there's any way for me to exact retribution on you I will.  I have on many occasions camped/killed people just for having bad names.  It amuses me and no, I don't give a flip if it destroys their enjoyment of the game.  I'm just not fair like that.

In fact, one time I was in fleet during a big fight in EVE and realized one of the fleet members had a really offensive name, so I helped the other side kill him.  When I showed up on the kill mail I blamed it on a targeting error. 

Play within the limits of common sense and decency (as commonly accepted by the bulk of society) or expect retribution in any form I can manage.

Yeah, no reason to say it, I'm that much of a jerk sometimes.

Aventurine is doing the right thing IMO by punishing wrong doers.  (or potential wrong doers).

If I saw a black man in an elevator, I wouldn't be afraid.  If was wearing a ski mask I'd be suddenly a bit concerned.

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by Valetman

Originally posted by sanders01

But what I'm really asking is have you seen it in a MMO? If not, then your point is moot, since you cant get banned out of real life. IF you have seen a name like that in-game, then I am disproven and there is no further argument.

 

That isnt the question you need to ask.

 

What should be asked is fairly simnpl,e, its a three stage affair.

 

Firstly, If the lead producer doesnt weant names such as that in th egame, why allow names like that in the game in the first place, Its trivial coding to put a name filter in.

 

Secondly , if, as he is suggesting, the mere fact someone has a name inlcuding the various LliI permutations means someone is a cheater seems a rather innapropriate statement from a CEO of a games company.

 

Thirdly , why is there not a renaming tool in game to counter the issues that were absolutely 100% guaranteed to appear with the absence of the first point, a naming filter.

 

In other words, regardless of what the actual issue is, or whether these people are hackers out for trouble, what his statement highlights is simplythat there was absolutely zero forethought to customer service , at all.

 

For a game in development for, at best 7 years, this is simply ineptitude. There is no excuse.

 

 

Just a heads up.. but there is a naming Filter... I couldn't use "Shoe" as a last name.

Also, I can understand why there isn't a naming filter.  I can't understand why there isn't a rename tool.  Hell, how many offense names can be made out of non-offensive names.

Lets start

Baebe Khiller

eights yurface

You see what I did there??

hahahaha

Shoe??  What a bad name!

An interesting question on the official DF forums:

"I wonder if this applies to people with spaces in their names. I (and a lot of others) lost our original names due to the servers been crap and having to delete chars to play the game. each name remains taken so numbers and spaces were the way to go.

If they ban over this, they're going to lose a lot of players, because ia int rerolling now, just for a damn space in my name."

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Aventurine could easily say that the name "confuses them" when theres a space in the name thats hard to spot. So these players might have to give up their characters that they had from day one, only because the servers were screwed up the first days (weeks maybe).

By the way, what does Tasos means with "confusing" the GMs? I thought they had superb logs for everything? Couldnt the players try to get in contact with a GM, and when the GM is there they tell him that there were a potential hacker there 10 minutes ago. Then the GM check the logs and find the player and see what he did... the name shouldnt be an issue, the player would still be in the log.

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by srsh12345

I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea.  

How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all.  Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far.  For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces.

More MMOs need to do this.

Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.

Once again you fail to understand the original post from Tasos, it reads:

"In 48 hours characters with names made in an effort to confuse GMs and other players, for example adding a string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) in their names will start getting their host accounts permanently banned. If you have a character like that, delete him and make a new one with a proper name."

There is NO mention of your usual, run of the mill, MMo names i.e;

 

l33thaX << childish but not confusing

IartehpVpK1d << childish but not made in an attempt to hinder GMs

urM0m1uv5go47s << As above

it clearly states: names made in an effort to confuse GMs + string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) as an example. He doesn't even conclude that these people are cheating or likely to cheat .

 

I still maintain anyone using a name with IIIIIII||||||||| is being a gimp, and I LOVE the fact that tasos is telling them to get real or get out.

 

For the record, I do not currently play DF.

 

LILI as in lili qualifies to be banned and yet it is a VALID name. Just look up the white pages and see how many people have that last name. The phrazing "effort to confused GMs" gives them a nice escape route: "Oh you know, your name confused me... BAN".

The point is not whether those people are cheaters (even thought some people defending this move claim thats the case). The point is, someone absolutely unknown to you will be judging whether your name is "confusing" or not. That someone may not be culturally rich enough to detect foreign names. So your name may qualify to be banned because that someone thinks it is "confusing".

Jimmy just hang it up dude, I tried to get them to understand all this for 3 hours yesterday.

They aren't going to get it and the only thing you are going to get out of it is a higher post count.

Which is a win win for you I guess.

But trust me, they aren't going to get it.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by srsh12345

I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea.  

How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all.  Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far.  For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces.

More MMOs need to do this.

Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.

Once again you fail to understand the original post from Tasos, it reads:

"In 48 hours characters with names made in an effort to confuse GMs and other players, for example adding a string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) in their names will start getting their host accounts permanently banned. If you have a character like that, delete him and make a new one with a proper name."

There is NO mention of your usual, run of the mill, MMo names i.e;

 

l33thaX << childish but not confusing

IartehpVpK1d << childish but not made in an attempt to hinder GMs

urM0m1uv5go47s << As above

it clearly states: names made in an effort to confuse GMs + string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) as an example. He doesn't even conclude that these people are cheating or likely to cheat .

 

I still maintain anyone using a name with IIIIIII||||||||| is being a gimp, and I LOVE the fact that tasos is telling them to get real or get out.

 

For the record, I do not currently play DF.

 

LILI as in lili qualifies to be banned and yet it is a VALID name. Just look up the white pages and see how many people have that last name. The phrazing "effort to confused GMs" gives them a nice escape route: "Oh you know, your name confused me... BAN".

The point is not whether those people are cheaters (even thought some people defending this move claim thats the case). The point is, someone absolutely unknown to you will be judging whether your name is "confusing" or not. That someone may not be culturally rich enough to detect foreign names. So your name may qualify to be banned because that someone thinks it is "confusing".

Spell it properly, ie. Lili, then you should be fine. It is not a string meant to confuse like lillillili would be.

Stop being so dense...

Originally posted by robertb

Spell it properly, ie. Lili, then you should be fine. It is not a string meant to confuse like lillillili would be.

 

Stop being so dense...

I am sorry, but what are you, forum police? I write my name the way I want to. If i want to make it lowercase and it lets me, then I will make it. If they want to restrict something they should restrict it at the entry point - where I create my character. not later on, when I spent months leveling my toon up.

Stop being so uniformal. Not everyone likes their toons named "Bob". But hey, you never know, maybe later on they decide that Bob is no good becuase it is .. too short. So that will also be banned. And after you complain, some other robertb calls you dense, carebear and tells you to go back to WoW. How ya gonna like that?

Originally posted by skydragonren

Jimmy just hang it up dude, I tried to get them to understand all this for 3 hours yesterday.

They aren't going to get it and the only thing you are going to get out of it is a higher post count.

Which is a win win for you I guess.

 

But trust me, they aren't going to get it.

I will die before I give up my freedom of speech. I will defend it even if it means I will defend THEIR right of freedom of speech to express their hatred towards the right of freedom of speech. I am just that kind of a person.

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by robertb

Spell it properly, ie. Lili, then you should be fine. It is not a string meant to confuse like lillillili would be.

 

Stop being so dense...

 

I am sorry, but what are you, forum police? I write my name the way I want to. If i want to make it lowercase and it lets me, then I will make it. If they want to restrict something they should restrict it at the entry point - where I create my character. not later on, when I spent months leveling my toon up.

Stop being so uniformal. Not everyone likes their toons named "Bob". But hey, you never know, maybe later on they decide that Bob is no good becuase it is .. too short. So that will also be banned. And after you complain, some other robertb calls you dense, carebear and tells you to go back to WoW. How ya gonna like that?

Indeed. But if you do so in Darkfall, you will now be banned, so gg... ;)

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by skydragonren

1. I do have a degree, a very nice one, looks nice on my desk at work.

2. I am not a kid.

Then you are just another proof than even adults with degrees can be immature. Defending people who intentionally use stupid names to disrupt gameplay or abuse mechanics means that either you're to dumb to realize why those people are doing it, or that you're one of those people, or that you're just trolling. Make your choice.

 

Ok explain to me how !I!I!I!I!I!!I!I who doesn't cheat is affecting your gameplay.

If he did that would be different. Let's just say though he does not he is legit, just has !!I!I!II!!I for a name.

How is he affecting your gameplay or abusing mechanics?

 

I can't think of a single thing in game that his name is going to do to affect you.

He isn't bothering you, just running along looking to kill players and get loot like you.

How is he affecting you?

That is what I thought.

 

Even if he is not cheating, his name is stupid and destroys other players immersion in the game.  And should someone wish to report him, his name makes it difficult to report him

Developers should not have to code in mechanics to prevent cheating and stupidity, people seem to forget its the cheaters fault, not the game devs.

I routinely report players with offensive names in any game that bothers to enforce a naming policy. (I wish EVE did more).

Yes, I am a name nazi, and if you are messing with my enjoyment of the game, if there's any way for me to exact retribution on you I will.  I have on many occasions camped/killed people just for having bad names.  It amuses me and no, I don't give a flip if it destroys their enjoyment of the game.  I'm just not fair like that.

In fact, one time I was in fleet during a big fight in EVE and realized one of the fleet members had a really offensive name, so I helped the other side kill him.  When I showed up on the kill mail I blamed it on a targeting error. 

Play within the limits of common sense and decency (as commonly accepted by the bulk of society) or expect retribution in any form I can manage.

Yeah, no reason to say it, I'm that much of a jerk sometimes.

Aventurine is doing the right thing IMO by punishing wrong doers.  (or potential wrong doers).

If I saw a black man in an elevator, I wouldn't be afraid.  If was wearing a ski mask I'd be suddenly a bit concerned.

 

 

Yeah, because the players of DFO really care about how "immersed" you are in the world, while raping and pillaging your body for loot.

I can't find one logical or intelligent argument in your entire post.

Even if he is not cheating, his name is stupid and destroys other players immersion in the game. And should someone wish to report him, his name makes it difficult to report him.

If you are reporting a player on a NON ROLEPLAYING server because he is "breaking your immersion factor" then you are the one with the cobwebs between your ears not the other guy. Grow up Tinkerbell. This isn't never never land and I am not a lost boy.

Developers should not have to code in mechanics to prevent cheating and stupidity, people seem to forget its the cheaters fault, not the game devs.

Yes please, by all means do not code in anti-cheat mechanics into your game. That would be really bad....

I routinely report players with offensive names in any game that bothers to enforce a naming policy. (I wish EVE did more).

Offensive names yes, they should be reported. I do not like people with the name Hugen Hairyballsack either. However we are talking about someone named IIiiiii IiiiiIIiiii, which I can't for the life of me figure out how that "offends" someone.

Yes, I am a name nazi, and if you are messing with my enjoyment of the game, if there's any way for me to exact retribution on you I will. I have on many occasions camped/killed people just for having bad names. It amuses me and no, I don't give a flip if it destroys their enjoyment of the game. I'm just not fair like that.

Last I checked this game was called Darkfall not Kyleran. This entire post above just makes you a hypocrite nothing more. People can't break YOUR immersion or your enjoyment. However you can make any player you deem not worthy of their name's life a living hell, destroy their enjoyment and you don't even care. YOU just typed that out. Which prolly makes you the biggest hypocrite next  to a catholic priest on planet earth.

In fact, one time I was in fleet during a big fight in EVE and realized one of the fleet members had a really offensive name, so I helped the other side kill him. When I showed up on the kill mail I blamed it on a targeting error.

I won't even bother responding to this, you should feel so proud of yourself though... really.....

Play within the limits of common sense and decency (as commonly accepted by the bulk of society) or expect retribution in any form I can manage.

Spoken like a true sheeple. Anyone who isn't like you should expect swift retribution. I for one am glad we have different social groups within society. So we aren't all lemmings.

Yeah, no reason to say it, I'm that much of a jerk sometimes.

Aventurine is doing the right thing IMO by punishing wrong doers. (or potential wrong doers).

If I saw a black man in an elevator, I wouldn't be afraid. If was wearing a ski mask I'd be suddenly a bit concerned.

I can summerize these 3 at one time.

"I am a jerk."

"I don't know if they cheat or not, but one day they might, so ban them anyway."

"Black people are cool, as long as they don't ski, If I ever saw one on the slopes, I would be a little concerned."

Like I said, I can't see anything logical or intelligent in this entire post.

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Originally posted by Remains
An interesting question on the official DF forums:
"I wonder if this applies to people with spaces in their names. I (and a lot of others) lost our original names due to the servers been crap and having to delete chars to play the game. each name remains taken so numbers and spaces were the way to go.
If they ban over this, they're going to lose a lot of players, because ia int rerolling now, just for a damn space in my name."
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Aventurine could easily say that the name "confuses them" when theres a space in the name thats hard to spot. So these players might have to give up their characters that they had from day one, only because the servers were screwed up the first days (weeks maybe).
By the way, what does Tasos means with "confusing" the GMs? I thought they had superb logs for everything? Couldnt the players try to get in contact with a GM, and when the GM is there they tell him that there were a potential hacker there 10 minutes ago. Then the GM check the logs and find the player and see what he did... the name shouldnt be an issue, the player would still be in the log.

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That kid was grasping at straws. Not "interesting" as a post at all.

If someone wants to ragequit over a name, he's a fool to assume "lots of players" will ragequit along with him. The vast majority of people playing any game has some normal type of name. So that poster was delusional thinking some army would be following in a line out of the Darkfall world because of a name issue.

More closer to the truth is that most people playing games are more in line with Kyleran's thinking to some degree. While they don't go to Kyle's extremes (yes, Kyle.. you ARE extreme) it really is stupid to see "Halomasterchief" as a Zealot, or "Drizzt" as a Tarutaru Whitemage. Most people wouldn't miss those kind of numbnuts at all.

(I know you didn't write that post, so please do not take this as an attack against you for what some other sad, delusional and QQey moron thinks.)

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by srsh12345

I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea.  

How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all.  Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far.  For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces.

More MMOs need to do this.

Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.

 

Going to have to double post here. My bad.

I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.

You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.

if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".

Originally posted by jimmyman99

You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.

if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".

I did not really mean to say people who defend these names are hackers or whatever, it was more of an hyperbole.

No names you mentionned would deserve a ban anyway. I use similar names. As for wether or not ilililililili is a good name......can we just all agree that we'd never befriend someone like that? I mean, we can't even whisper him because we don't know if it's lllllllllllllllllllll with lower care "L" or IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with a cap "i". Why would you call yourself this way in the first place?

Yes Aventurine is banning those but I've played MMOs for so many years starting from UO passing by WoW and EQ , most of the F2Ps and now DarkFall and I've seen all those "lllllllllllll" roaming around with bots so it's sort of hard for me to say "hey who knows, maybe it's a real person behind the computer even though he's been killing the same monster over and over again for 20 hours with no break and keeps coming back to the same position". Beside, I think Aventurine is intelligent enough to make the difference between "lllllllllllllllllll" or "hfoeaylaeyl" and "Grondar". 2 out of 3 will obviously get banned while the last one (yours) is completly legit and will never receive a ban unless you do something illegal.

As for names "potentially confusing"  I just think it's Aventurine's way to explain the matter. They might not have phrased it in a way that all players may understand. Basically it was just to cover that they are considering these people as hackers (which is the reason why they talked about the "Cheating Matter" right below the paragraph about the character names. Asking for players to delete these characters within 48 hours is a way for them to remove all players who uses similar names but don't hack so they can take care of the real matter: "The cheaters". As for people who do not wish to fully delete their items, it is still possible to give your items to your friend while you delete your character and create a new one (while he gives your items back or simply put them in the clan storage for you) and because it's how skilled the player is that matters the most when it comes to fighting, it's not as problematic as a players that has to delete their level 122 character that took 2 years to raise)

You also have to admit, like Kyle said, it destroys the immersion to have those "xXx-Sasuke-xXx, Oo-MasterChief-oO " in a game. But that's another issue though (but fact remains I'd want them to receive a banhammer too) (Note that I'm an RPer to some extent which may explain this).

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As for the people who  say "well make a name filter". True but how? Filter all names with consequent consonants or vowels?  If so, many names would be rendered illegal (I'll take one of your Jimmy's for exemple: Deirdre). Instead they should simply promote RP names by giving a few advices on how to make one for your character (Wakfu does that though the game is in French only right now). Players are not forced to RP, they are simply forced to use their heads a bit and make something more.....originial. For exemple, the name I use most of the time is " Ivoldir ".

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by srsh12345

I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea.  

How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all.  Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far.  For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces.

More MMOs need to do this.

Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.

 

Going to have to double post here. My bad.

I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.

You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.

if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".

If its hard to read, its harder to report if they do deciede to do something wrong (macro, hack, etc.). Not enforceing this (Atleast by having a better name filter) is allowing THEM to get away with thinks other players would not, because the guy that caught them couldn't tell what their name was. So in a sense, it's a cheat. But, to each his own I guess, thats just the way I think about it.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by jimmyman99

You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.

if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".

I did not really mean to say people who defend these names are hackers or whatever, it was more of an hyperbole.

No names you mentionned would deserve a ban anyway. I use similar names. As for wether or not ilililililili is a good name......can we just all agree that we'd never befriend someone like that? I mean, we can't even whisper him because we don't know if it's lllllllllllllllllllll with lower care "L" or IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with a cap "i". Why would you call yourself this way in the first place?

Yes Aventurine is banning those but I've played MMOs for so many years starting from UO passing by WoW and EQ , most of the F2Ps and now DarkFall and I've seen all those "lllllllllllll" roaming around with bots so it's sort of hard for me to say "hey who knows, maybe it's a real person behind the computer even though he's been killing the same monster over and over again for 20 hours with no break and keeps coming back to the same position". Beside, I think Aventurine is intelligent enough to make the difference between "lllllllllllllllllll" or "hfoeaylaeyl" and "Grondar". 2 out of 3 will obviously get banned while the last one (yours) is completly legit and will never receive a ban unless you do something illegal.

As for names "potentially confusing"  I just think it's Aventurine's way to explain the matter. They might not have phrased it in a way that all players may understand. Basically it was just to cover that they are considering these people as hackers (which is the reason why they talked about the "Cheating Matter" right below the paragraph about the character names. Asking for players to delete these characters within 48 hours is a way for them to remove all players who uses similar names but don't hack so they can take care of the real matter: "The cheaters". As for people who do not wish to fully delete their items, it is still possible to give your items to your friend while you delete your character and create a new one (while he gives your items back or simply put them in the clan storage for you) and because it's how skilled the player is that matters the most when it comes to fighting, it's not as problematic as a players that has to delete their level 122 character that took 2 years to raise)

You also have to admit, like Kyle said, it destroys the immersion to have those "xXx-Sasuke-xXx, Oo-MasterChief-oO " in a game. But that's another issue though (but fact remains I'd want them to receive a banhammer too) (Note that I'm an RPer to some extent which may explain this).

____________________
As for the people who  say "well make a name filter". True but how? Filter all names with consequent consonants or vowels?  If so, many names would be rendered illegal (I'll take one of your Jimmy's for exemple: Deirdre). Instead they should simply promote RP names by giving a few advices on how to make one for your character (Wakfu does that though the game is in French only right now). Players are not forced to RP, they are simply forced to use their heads a bit and make something more.....originial. For exemple, the name I use most of the time is " Ivoldir ".

dang wall of text FTL... :O

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by srsh12345

I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea.  

How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all.  Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far.  For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces.

More MMOs need to do this.

Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.

 

Going to have to double post here. My bad.

I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.

You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.

if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".

If its hard to read, its harder to report if they do deciede to do something wrong (macro, hack, etc.). Not enforceing this (Atleast by having a better name filter) is allowing THEM to get away with thinks other players would not, because the guy that caught them couldn't tell what their name was. So in a sense, it's a cheat. But, to each his own I guess, thats just the way I think about it.

They can create name linking for people like "%t" in wow/EQ and probably other games. For GMs, it should be even easier. A simple code would display not only names to GMs, but id numbers of those characters. So it would be much easier to ban character number 1573 compared to trying to type the correct name.

All data is stored in DB by ids anyways. The name is dynamic, id is static. GMs should never ban or something like that referencing a name, becuse they can make a mistake. With id, the likelyhood of the mistake is much lower.