Hi,

my question is, does it have skills queue,that you can put on waiting?

To an extent, yes.

You can que up more skills as long as the lastone in the que ends within 24 hours.

So you can que up a skill that ends in 1 hour, another that ends 3 after that, one that ends 19 hours after that, and then say a 5 day skill. You can't add anymore, however, until that 5 day skill has less than 24 hours left on it.

I hate how all the skills are real-time. You can't get any through missions or extensive grinding of some sort. Or by doing virtually anything in-game, whether it be really hard, really easy or just time consuming. It's all real-time and most take a LONG time. Though, some love this aspect - I do not.

Originally posted by Servase

I hate how all the skills are real-time. You can't get any through missions or extensive grinding of some sort. Or by doing virtually anything in-game, whether it be really hard, really easy or just time consuming. It's all real-time and most take a LONG time. Though, some love this aspect - I do not.

nice rant totally unrelated to the question

Originally posted by Servase

I hate how all the skills are real-time. You can't get any through missions or extensive grinding of some sort. Or by doing virtually anything in-game, whether it be really hard, really easy or just time consuming. It's all real-time and most take a LONG time. Though, some love this aspect - I do not.

Well I hate how other games force you to kill retarded monsters over and over to level to be able to do anything. If only they had a system where my character could level while I go have fun in the game instead of mindless retarded shit. Being forced to grind out levels is really BORING.

Oh wait Eve is game with such a system where my time is spent having fun instead of mindless boring grinding for levels.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Originally posted by Servase

I hate how all the skills are real-time. You can't get any through missions or extensive grinding of some sort. Or by doing virtually anything in-game, whether it be really hard, really easy or just time consuming. It's all real-time and most take a LONG time. Though, some love this aspect - I do not.

 

Well I hate how other games force you to kill retarded monsters over and over to level to be able to do anything. If only they had a system where my character could level while I go have fun in the game instead of mindless retarded shit. Being forced to grind out levels is really BORING.

Oh wait Eve is game with such a system where my time is spent having fun instead of mindless boring grinding for levels.

Amen Brother!  I love how I can do whatever I want whenever I want, and I'm not forced to grind mobs exclusively to progress. Screw lvls, and screw pve grinding. If that is what you want, you have come to the wrong universe my friend.

The grind in Eve is not for xp but for isk. So at the end of the day you still need to grind.

The fact that the XP is provided over time can then only be a good thing, as, so long as you have a skill being trained you don't need to bother with it. And can think about how best to outfit your ship!

WoW, WAR, SWG, EQ, EQ2, AO, Vanguard, AoC, GW, etc all provide you with grindy progression. go play one of them.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

The grind in Eve is not for xp but for isk. So at the end of the day you still need to grind.

 

Wrong. You do NOT NEED to grind for isk at all if you do not want to or know how to get it easily (and no I don't mean buying it, either legal or illegally).

You can go through Eve without ever "grinding" and you can still level and participate in whatever you want. I've known many players from the early days of launch that never "grinded" isk ever. They just sold what they got as drops in pvp.

Originally posted by Servase

I hate how all the skills are real-time. You can't get any through missions or extensive grinding of some sort. Or by doing virtually anything in-game, whether it be really hard, really easy or just time consuming. It's all real-time and most take a LONG time. Though, some love this aspect - I do not.

To each his own, I guess. I personally find it retarded that in most MMOs I have to raise my smacking stuff level to a certain point in order be able to advance in my sew stuff skill.

"Can you make me one of those Level 40 robes yet?"

"Nope. A few more days though. I just need to kill 368 more boars and then I will be allowed to read the advanced sewing skillbook. 

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Originally posted by VultureSkull

The grind in Eve is not for xp but for isk. So at the end of the day you still need to grind.

 

Wrong. You do NOT NEED to grind for isk at all if you do not want to or know how to get it easily (and no I don't mean buying it, either legal or illegally).

You can go through Eve without ever "grinding" and you can still level and participate in whatever you want. I've known many players from the early days of launch that never "grinded" isk ever. They just sold what they got as drops in pvp.

Yah... you can level without grinding for ISK... but you'll just spend all your time in a space station wishing you could afford to lose another 20 million ISK worth of ship and equipment.... and that what it costs for noobs.  I can't imagine what it costs to lose a fully equipped battleship.

Eve is a game with very little more to do than PvP.  PvP in Eve is also very expensive since you lose it all every time some 4 year vet rolls up, locks you in place and destroys everything you have worked for since subscribing to the game... just for fun he will probably pod you too.  He doesn't gain anything for it, but this game caters to griefers.

You could decide to stay in secure space and run the same asinine missions over and over, or AFK mine all day for your cash... but those are still grinding.  And despite what this guy wants you to believe it is very expensive to play this game.  I suppose it would have to be, since the Devs advocate and facilitate buying ISK. through the sale of ingame time cards.

Back to the original question, eys EVE has a skill que system. The other reply was techincally inaccurate. You can que skills as long as the last one starts within 24 hours of the time you are queing.

For example on my Caldari noob character I have a number of skills, all less than 8 hours qued up and ended with about 20 minutes short of the full 24 hour. I set a 2 day skill for the last skill. This fills my 24 hour que and will stay filled until the last skill has less than 24 hours to train.

As for the other debate here,  the level system in my opinion makes no sense. I mean do you seriously expect me to believe that even a baby dragon has less physical stamina than a so called 50th level human? 

For all it's flaws the skill system allows new players to actually enjoy play with experienced players. Grab a first level rogue and take him on a quest with 3 45th level fighters, he will die fast or be bored to tears. grab a new frigate pilot and let him run with 3 experienced pilots on a level 4 mission. The noob frigate pilot can be a big help taking down the smaller enemy ships while the bigger ships hold the aggro on the heavy stuff. In fact the noob pilot is a big help as his frigate will have an easier time with the smaller stuff.

Another example, show me a single level based game where the 1st level rogue can even HIT the 50th level warrior let alone defeat him under ANY circumstances. Yet I have seen fairly new pilots take down experienced pilots all the time by catching the experienced pilot unprepared.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Eve is a game with very little more to do than PvP.  PvP in Eve is also very expensive since you lose it all every time some 4 year vet rolls up, locks you in place and destroys everything you have worked for since subscribing to the game... just for fun he will probably pod you too.  He doesn't gain anything for it, but this game caters to griefers.

You could decide to stay in secure space and run the same asinine missions over and over, or AFK mine all day for your cash... but those are still grinding.  And despite what this guy wants you to believe it is very expensive to play this game.  I suppose it would have to be, since the Devs advocate and facilitate buying ISK. through the sale of ingame time cards.

ARE YOU NUTS! The game has explorations, the ability to be part of an active trader system, mission running for PVE and more.. There is a ton more than PVP.

As for expensive to play, I presume you mean in game cash as in RL money it is no worse than most. However even in game it is not that bad as just paying attention it is easy for a new pilot to put together a few mill a day. With experience a trader pilot can make make tons of case easily. Miners can make a lot of money, production people, exploration oh wait here is that list again of things besides PVP you can do. Even PVP can make money if you go pirate or merc.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Originally posted by VultureSkull

The grind in Eve is not for xp but for isk. So at the end of the day you still need to grind.

 

Wrong. You do NOT NEED to grind for isk at all if you do not want to or know how to get it easily (and no I don't mean buying it, either legal or illegally).

You can go through Eve without ever "grinding" and you can still level and participate in whatever you want. I've known many players from the early days of launch that never "grinded" isk ever. They just sold what they got as drops in pvp.

 

Yah... you can level without grinding for ISK... but you'll just spend all your time in a space station wishing you could afford to lose another 20 million ISK worth of ship and equipment.... and that what it costs for noobs.  I can't imagine what it costs to lose a fully equipped battleship.

I guess we really should define the term "grinding" here. How much time spent say mining or mission running constitutes "grinding" ? Are we talking several hours a day or does only 1 or 2 missions every few days count ? Or maybe an hour or 2 per week cruising belts in low sec space can be classified as "grinding".

I think of grinding as the act of logging in with the intention of sitting in one place farming money. I do not consider a couple missions here and there or belt roaming to be grinding. By the way, it's easy to collect a few loot drops worth 2-10 mil each off low sec rats in about an hour.

Besides I also said there are other easier ways of making money if you are smart about it.

You said you couldn't imagine what it costs to lose a fully equipped battleship. I am guessing you are a very new player to the game. But after insurance and fully tech 2 fitted BS will cost you about 30 mil approx give or take a few mil dpending on the ship. You essentially lose the cost of your modules and the ship pays for itself after insurance.

You do need to make some isk in game but you most definitely do NOT NEED to grind it out if you use your brain a little and break the other MMO games grindfest mentality.

Eve is a game with very little more to do than PvP.  PvP in Eve is also very expensive since you lose it all every time some 4 year vet rolls up, locks you in place and destroys everything you have worked for since subscribing to the game... just for fun he will probably pod you too.  He doesn't gain anything for it, but this game caters to griefers.

There is lots to do outside of pvp, granted pvp is the focus of the game since everything else revolves around it. Why are you constantly being locked and blown up for 4 year old vets ? Maybe you should learn how to watch your back in game instead of crying about it. On top of that why are you flying everything you own on game ? Haven't you learned not to fly what you can't afford to lose yet ?

Nice little whine though.

You could decide to stay in secure space and run the same asinine missions over and over, or AFK mine all day for your cash... but those are still grinding.  And despite what this guy wants you to believe it is very expensive to play this game.  I suppose it would have to be, since the Devs advocate and facilitate buying ISK. through the sale of ingame time cards.

This might be what you chose to do in game to start. That's how you make the least money and have the most boredom and is grinding but I repeat myself here, you DO NOT NEED to do these things. Expensive to play Eve ? Are you stupid ? If you grind isk like you think you should you can play Eve for free with in game money with GTCs. GTCs are there for those with lots of money and little time. They do nothing to ruin Eve.

Its pathetic how you turned this post into nothing more than a whine. Just because you don't have the intelligence level to get beyond afk mining / grinding isk please don't spread your ignorance to new players who might actually have a brain in their head.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Yah... you can level without grinding for ISK... but you'll just spend all your time in a space station wishing you could afford to lose another 20 million ISK worth of ship and equipment.... and that what it costs for noobs.  I can't imagine what it costs to lose a fully equipped battleship.

Here's some fits for reasonably priced PvE and PvP ships for newer players:

http://eve-search.com/thread/1017602/page/1

http://eve-search.com/thread/674366/page/1

The rifters are pretty badass ships and you can buy/fit several of them for under a million ISK. If you're in a PvP corp, they will usually just give you the ships for free and even replace them when they are destroyed.

Hope that helps!

The Kestrel, Punisher and Rifter call be easily fitted as solid basic PVP ships. In fact they are some of the primary ships of use in Faction War.

A pilot can even at low skill be of huge help to a fleet for low cost, the Crucifier is a dirt cheap ship that can turn the tide of a small fleet battle.

You do not need expensive equipment to have an impact.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Originally posted by VultureSkull

The grind in Eve is not for xp but for isk. So at the end of the day you still need to grind.

 

Wrong. You do NOT NEED to grind for isk at all if you do not want to or know how to get it easily (and no I don't mean buying it, either legal or illegally).

You can go through Eve without ever "grinding" and you can still level and participate in whatever you want. I've known many players from the early days of launch that never "grinded" isk ever. They just sold what they got as drops in pvp.

 

Yah... you can level without grinding for ISK... but you'll just spend all your time in a space station wishing you could afford to lose another 20 million ISK worth of ship and equipment.... and that what it costs for noobs.  I can't imagine what it costs to lose a fully equipped battleship.

I guess we really should define the term "grinding" here. How much time spent say mining or mission running constitutes "grinding" ? Are we talking several hours a day or does only 1 or 2 missions every few days count ? Or maybe an hour or 2 per week cruising belts in low sec space can be classified as "grinding".

I think of grinding as the act of logging in with the intention of sitting in one place farming money. I do not consider a couple missions here and there or belt roaming to be grinding. By the way, it's easy to collect a few loot drops worth 2-10 mil each off low sec rats in about an hour.

Besides I also said there are other easier ways of making money if you are smart about it.

You said you couldn't imagine what it costs to lose a fully equipped battleship. I am guessing you are a very new player to the game. But after insurance and fully tech 2 fitted BS will cost you about 30 mil approx give or take a few mil dpending on the ship. You essentially lose the cost of your modules and the ship pays for itself after insurance.

You do need to make some isk in game but you most definitely do NOT NEED to grind it out if you use your brain a little and break the other MMO games grindfest mentality.

Eve is a game with very little more to do than PvP.  PvP in Eve is also very expensive since you lose it all every time some 4 year vet rolls up, locks you in place and destroys everything you have worked for since subscribing to the game... just for fun he will probably pod you too.  He doesn't gain anything for it, but this game caters to griefers.

There is lots to do outside of pvp, granted pvp is the focus of the game since everything else revolves around it. Why are you constantly being locked and blown up for 4 year old vets ? Maybe you should learn how to watch your back in game instead of crying about it. On top of that why are you flying everything you own on game ? Haven't you learned not to fly what you can't afford to lose yet ?

Nice little whine though.

You could decide to stay in secure space and run the same asinine missions over and over, or AFK mine all day for your cash... but those are still grinding.  And despite what this guy wants you to believe it is very expensive to play this game.  I suppose it would have to be, since the Devs advocate and facilitate buying ISK. through the sale of ingame time cards.

This might be what you chose to do in game to start. That's how you make the least money and have the most boredom and is grinding but I repeat myself here, you DO NOT NEED to do these things. Expensive to play Eve ? Are you stupid ? If you grind isk like you think you should you can play Eve for free with in game money with GTCs. GTCs are there for those with lots of money and little time. They do nothing to ruin Eve.

Its pathetic how you turned this post into nothing more than a whine. Just because you don't have the intelligence level to get beyond afk mining / grinding isk please don't spread your ignorance to new players who might actually have a brain in their head.

You can try to twist the facts around... but this game is a boring monotonous grind for new players.  Maybe it wasn't the case when you started playing, but if you aren't aware, you basically start with no skills now.  Sure, they train twice as fast for a little while, but that doesn't change the fact that you start with NOTHING.  No skills and no money.  The ONLY option for a new player to make money on his own is to grind missions.  This wouldn't be so bad if the missions didn't repeat themselves, word for word, action for action.  Every mission is an autopilot courier mission or fly to this acceleration gate and kill a couple of pirates... The rewards are paltry to the point of being pointless.

The other things you can do are actually even more boring than the missions.  Mining?? come on, you park in space and alt tab while your ship shoots at a couple of rocks.  Trade?  I guess there are a couple of people who would enjoy auto-piloting around, buying from one station and selling to another...  but even that requires a decent amount of ISK to get started. 

Now, tell me one more single thing that a new player can do in this game that is fun, generates ISK and doesn't involve going in to low-sec.  Because as soon as you travel out of high security space, you ship is going to be trashed.  No amount of effort or intelligence on the part of new player can compete with years of real-time skill training and equipment purchased with ISK from the in-game sale of time cards.  To make even more fun for fun for new players, there is no option of flight when a player pirate decides he wants to kill you.  You just get to sit there and watch it happen.  The outcome is certain, and not at all decided by skill.  Fights in Eve are decided almost solely by equipment... equipment that new players can't use or afford.  I don't know how you can say that in this game, and only this game... selling in game cash doesn't hurt.  I think it's worse in this game than any other, when combined with the real-time skill training.   This is a game where the "best" player is the guy with the most skill points and ISK... neither of which you have to actually play the game to earn.

I mean... your ship auto-orbits, auto-aims and auto-fires... None of these things can be done manually... where does "skill" come in to the picture at all?  I guess it takes reading skills to look at forums and find the perfect load-out, or the biggest guild to join. 

IMO, This game is beautiful to look at, but has very little else going for it.  I can see how it would be fun for the veteran players... at least the ones who started so long ago that there were plenty of other players around the same level of SP as them.  This game is very unfriendly to new players now... it's a haven for greifers and gankers... so much so that those are major aspects of the game... although their absolute dominance over new players is worse than in most games.  Imagine if a game like Warhammer were to not only allow level 50s to gank level 1 players, but if they encouraged and rewarded such behavior.  Oh, and just to make it a little more fun, you lose your mount and all your gear when you get ganked...  I get it.  Some people enjoy this kind of gameplay and risk, but lets at least be honest about what the game is rather than trying sugar-coat it and entice more people to play... only to have them be bitter about their purchase and time in game when they realize how it all actually goes down.

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
You can try to twist the facts around...

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Please stop doing so, your ignorance is astonishing. Or ignorance is a bliss they say...?

If fights are decided by equippment, I wonder how I could kill that AF pirate engaging my ratting(read PVE fitted) T1 cruiser yesterday. Same thing couple days earlier - Arby vs. Vexor, prety much identical fits, still he only scratched my armor.
I wonder how I can kill far older players on my trial account toon.
That must be a mystery...

Just a couple of player skills that are involved in PVP:
- manual piloting to dictate range and transversal control
- cap and drone management
- calling targets
- choosing place and time for fight
- adjusting the play style to your ship and fitting / getting the best of what your ship is good at

PVP is filled with tactical moments deciding wheter you win or lose and there's plenty of player experience needed to be successful.

I am not going on any more since the forums here or google provides enough examples...

Originally posted by Salvatoris

You can try to twist the facts around... but this game is a boring monotonous grind for new players.  Maybe it wasn't the case when you started playing, but if you aren't aware, you basically start with no skills now.  Sure, they train twice as fast for a little while, but that doesn't change the fact that you start with NOTHING.  No skills and no money. 

You didn't end up with a pile of cash, several skill books to train, and two new ships by the end of your tutorial?

Originally posted by Salvatoris

You can try to twist the facts around... but this game is a boring monotonous grind for new players.  Maybe it wasn't the case when you started playing, but if you aren't aware, you basically start with no skills now.  Sure, they train twice as fast for a little while, but that doesn't change the fact that you start with NOTHING.  No skills and no money.  The ONLY option for a new player to make money on his own is to grind missions.  This wouldn't be so bad if the missions didn't repeat themselves, word for word, action for action.  Every mission is an autopilot courier mission or fly to this acceleration gate and kill a couple of pirates... The rewards are paltry to the point of being pointless.

Umm yeah, I started playing at launch when you started with 80k skill points and no 2x training speed and no money. The option I took to make money was rat hunting in low sec and 0.0 space in a rifter and selling loot in empire. No grinding involved at all. I made more than enough money for what I needed and did it as casualy or as hard core as I felt in the mood for that day. My mining skill is still level 2 after 6 years. You keep limiting yourself to high sec missions and mining, of course that is going to get boring. Go farm some lame ass mobs in any other game for hours on end and see how exciting that is.

The other things you can do are actually even more boring than the missions.  Mining?? come on, you park in space and alt tab while your ship shoots at a couple of rocks.  Trade?  I guess there are a couple of people who would enjoy auto-piloting around, buying from one station and selling to another...  but even that requires a decent amount of ISK to get started. 

Again you speak on something which you know nothing about. You are saying a new player with no money cannot make it as a trader ? I will look for the link but there was a guy who started a trader character with the goal of doubling his money every day for a month. He actually got quite far before a real life issue halted his goal. But I do believe he made it around 20 days. You do the math doubling your money every day. To be fair he wasn't a totally new player but he did use a new toon with only the starter money and skills that toon came with. All the person brought was his game knowledge.

Now, tell me one more single thing that a new player can do in this game that is fun, generates ISK and doesn't involve going in to low-sec.  Because as soon as you travel out of high security space, you ship is going to be trashed.  No amount of effort or intelligence on the part of new player can compete with years of real-time skill training and equipment purchased with ISK from the in-game sale of time cards.  To make even more fun for fun for new players, there is no option of flight when a player pirate decides he wants to kill you.  You just get to sit there and watch it happen.  The outcome is certain, and not at all decided by skill.  Fights in Eve are decided almost solely by equipment... equipment that new players can't use or afford.  I don't know how you can say that in this game, and only this game... selling in game cash doesn't hurt.  I think it's worse in this game than any other, when combined with the real-time skill training.   This is a game where the "best" player is the guy with the most skill points and ISK... neither of which you have to actually play the game to earn.

Fun is a subjective term. What one person finds fun others may not. You do not find missions and mining fun (neither do I which is why I don't do that) but there are people out there that really do enjoy that. A new player can have fun in pvp through faction warfare or being a pirate. And yes you can do these things either the first day or within a couple of days learning how the game works. If you say you can't it's because you haven't tried or are unwilling to try.

You are right about fighting being based of gear but it's not the best quality gear that wins like EVERY other mmo out there. Its about having a smart ship setup with the right gear for the ship and job at hand.

"This is a game where the "best" player is the guy with the most skill points and ISK... neither of which you have to actually play the game to earn."

This quote I had to pick out special because this is one of the biggest lies and most spread pile of shit in Eve. Money does not make you a good player. Buying ISK does not buy you game playing skill. The BEST player is not one with lots of money or the most skill points. Please stop spreading this shit as it is completley false. Just talk to many of the players in game with less than a year experience and a wallet barely able to afford a battleship and fit it that pvp sucessfully every day vs older players with a wallet full of isk.

I mean... your ship auto-orbits, auto-aims and auto-fires... None of these things can be done manually... where does "skill" come in to the picture at all?  I guess it takes reading skills to look at forums and find the perfect load-out, or the biggest guild to join. 

If this is your perception of all of Eve combat then you have a very limited view. Try talking to some interceptor pilots about manual flying. Any experienced inty pilot will tell you that simple click to orbit tactics will get your ship shot up real fast.

IMO, This game is beautiful to look at, but has very little else going for it (Nothing for you, maybe you need a WoW quest system to hold your hand and pat you on the back for walking over to the next town).  I can see how it would be fun for the veteran players... at least the ones who started so long ago that there were plenty of other players around the same level of SP as them.  This game is very unfriendly to new players now... it's a haven for greifers and gankers... so much so that those are major aspects of the game... although their absolute dominance over new players is worse than in most games.(Ok so you lost a ship and now all Eve vets are griefers and gankers, just a little bitter here I think) Imagine if a game like Warhammer were to not only allow level 50s to gank level 1 players, but if they encouraged and rewarded such behavior (Imagine a game like Warhammer where a level 1 can actually be useful in a fight verses level 40s where the cap is not 50, Do you know anything about any game you open your mouth about ?).  Oh, and just to make it a little more fun, you lose all your mount and all your gear when you get ganked...  I get it (LOL , lost your mount, go back to WoW).  Some people enjoy this kind of gameplay and risk (yeah those of us bored of the same old games like WoW and Warhammer), but lets at least be honest about what the game is rather than trying sugar-coat it and entice more people to play... only to have them be bitter about their purchase and time in game when they realize how it all actually goes down. (Yeah lets be honest, the only people bitter about dieing in a video game are selfish little kids who think everything is about them and then whine and cry when something doesn't go their way. Thanks for proving Eve evolution works, go have fun grinding your rep for your pecious mount in WoW)

 

Do I need to destroy your posts any more ?