Originally posted by AllNewMMOSuk

Originally posted by Sharkypal

@ OP

The game is a mess (This is the first time since launch).

It has developed numerous bugs, a massive (and mostly unwarranted) class change. (If they do it once, they can do it again).

Endless downtime (which continued this morning when they added 2 hours on to the "scheduled downtime")

Turbine dont seem to be interested in fixing existing problems. 7 hours of "scheduled downtime" and not a fix for any of the multiple problems. No doubt there will be more new (and broken) content soon without any attempt to fix the glaring issues.

It's a shame that this has happened as Turbine had managed to keep this game virtually bug free for almost two years. Sadly, it seems they have made the mistake that so many other games have made and are trying to go head to head with WoW with raiding and daily quests (repeatable because they cant be bothered to think up anything original).

Even the rep has become cookie cutter in Lorien. No longer do you need rep items - just grind out the same shitty quests for rep.

Im probably going to cancel my sub(s) tbh. LotRo went from the best game on the market by far, to distinctly average.

It still looks great (minus the graphical bugs).

 

The "trying to go head to head with WoW on repeatable quests" was interesting, since Turbine's game Asheron's Call (that has been out since years before WoW) launched with repeatable content and continues to add repeatable content monthly. But yes every idea came from WoW.........

LotRo is being changed slowly but surely.

Maybe its not because of WoW but because of the upcoming LotRo console release.

Also, I never said it all stems from WoW. Try not to put words in my mouth.

Tx

S

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

PS : There was no forced grinding pre-Moria. You just didnt know what you were doing :)

That's not exactly true.

There was grinding for traits/deeds. Such as the Trolls south west of the Dwarf starting area (can remember the name of the dungeon) or the wyrms in angmar.

Of course not every trait/deed is a kill x task but they do exist.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

PS : There was no forced grinding pre-Moria. You just didnt know what you were doing :)

 

That's not exactly true.

There was grinding for traits/deeds. Such as the Trolls south west of the Dwarf starting area (can remember the name of the dungeon) or the wyrms in angmar.

Of course not every trait/deed is a kill x task but there were those.

And there still are post Moria. I dont think thats what we were talking about. It's accepted that traits are grinds.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

PS : There was no forced grinding pre-Moria. You just didnt know what you were doing :)

 

That's not exactly true.

There was grinding for traits/deeds. Such as the Trolls south west of the Dwarf starting area (can remember the name of the dungeon) or the wyrms in angmar.

Of course not every trait/deed is a kill x task but there were those.

 

And there still are post Moria. I dont think thats what we were talking about. It's accepted that traits are grinds.

But then there is some forced grinding. You said that before MoM it didnt' exist. I'm merely pointing out that it did.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

PS : There was no forced grinding pre-Moria. You just didnt know what you were doing :)

 

That's not exactly true.

There was grinding for traits/deeds. Such as the Trolls south west of the Dwarf starting area (can remember the name of the dungeon) or the wyrms in angmar.

Of course not every trait/deed is a kill x task but there were those.

 

And there still are post Moria. I dont think thats what we were talking about. It's accepted that traits are grinds.

 

But then there is some forced grinding. You said that before MoM it didnt' exist. I'm merely pointing out that it did.

Actually, you're just trying to start an argument. It isn't forced - you don't need to do traits and anyone who plays the game knows traits/deeds are a grind.

I think you are taking the statements out of context in order to troll.

Have a nice day.

S

PS : His point was, that in his opinion, there was a lot of grinding PRE Moria. If we are talking specifically about Traits, then nothing has changed so it is obviously NOT relevant to the point he was trying to make.

Those that say that book 7 forces you to grind are very wrong, unless grinding now means doing varied quests. I just got enough rep to enter the center of lothlorien and didnt do 1 repeatable quest more than once to get rep.

Concerning performance issues i guess its varies from one serv to another kauz when I play i get at worst a disconnect, but never had a blue screen playing wow, and even though i'm on vista I cant complain about the performances.

And since when do you need to have all lyour traits maxed, thats like saying the game is forcing you to do the rift because thats the only way to get rift armor.

Originally posted by beaverz

Those that say that book 7 forces you to grind are very wrong in my opinion (which isnt a fact), unless grinding now means doing varied quests. I just got enough rep to enter the center of lothlorien and didnt do 1 repeatable quest more than once to get rep.

Concerning performance issues i guess its varies from one serv to another kauz when I play i get at worst a disconnect, but never had a blue screen playing wow, and even though i'm on vista I cant complain about the performances.

And since when do you need to have all lyour traits maxed, thats like saying the game is forcing you to do the rift because thats the only way to get rift armor.

fixed

Originally posted by 3on1

Originally posted by beaverz

Those that say that book 7 forces you to grind are very wrong in my opinion (which isnt a fact), unless grinding now means doing varied quests. I just got enough rep to enter the center of lothlorien and didnt do 1 repeatable quest more than once to get rep.

Concerning performance issues i guess its varies from one serv to another kauz when I play i get at worst a disconnect, but never had a blue screen playing wow, and even though i'm on vista I cant complain about the performances.

And since when do you need to have all lyour traits maxed, thats like saying the game is forcing you to do the rift because thats the only way to get rift armor.

 

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QFT

Beaverz will find out about the forced grind that IS Lorien. He just hasn't done enough to experience it.

Once you have your Galadrhim Horse, some jewellery, a gift box or 2, then you will know all about the repeatable quest grind that is Lorien.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

PS : There was no forced grinding pre-Moria. You just didnt know what you were doing :)

 

That's not exactly true.

There was grinding for traits/deeds. Such as the Trolls south west of the Dwarf starting area (can remember the name of the dungeon) or the wyrms in angmar.

Of course not every trait/deed is a kill x task but there were those.

 

And there still are post Moria. I dont think thats what we were talking about. It's accepted that traits are grinds.

Actually I said said I havent grinded since Moria but pre-Moria I did alot of grinding becase there wasnt much else to do. I know there was no forced grinding in SoA and thats what I really like about LotrO. Grinding is what you make out of it, if you dont whant to grind dont do it. Since Moria Ive havent seen any erason to do any ´grinding yet and I dont care about maxing out everything as fast possible. I do the things I enjoy and sooner or later I will get everything I need. This is actually different from SoA where you either grinded or did the fun stuff. :)

Ok well please tell me in what way you are forced to grind, is there a seperate area where there are quests that you can only acces after having done a lot of grind?

Forced grind would be you cant go on with the story/ go to the next area without grinding, not I dont have anything left to do therefore i'll grind to max rep and get me those shiny items.

Originally posted by beaverz

Ok well please tell me in what way you are forced to grind, is there a seperate area where there are quests that you can only acces after having done a lot of grind?

Forced grind would be you cant go on with the story/ go to the next area without grinding, not I dont have anything left to do therefore i'll grind to max rep and get me those shiny items.

Guy, you have clearly done Lorien for all of about 10 minutes based on your previous comments about having just entered CG. Most of the quests in Lorien are repeateable daily grind quests. It's just a fact im afraid and it isn't up for debate.

Regards,

S

Please to be reading about the elves of Lorien.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

PS : There was no forced grinding pre-Moria. You just didnt know what you were doing :)

 

That's not exactly true.

There was grinding for traits/deeds. Such as the Trolls south west of the Dwarf starting area (can remember the name of the dungeon) or the wyrms in angmar.

Of course not every trait/deed is a kill x task but there were those.

 

And there still are post Moria. I dont think thats what we were talking about. It's accepted that traits are grinds.

 

But then there is some forced grinding. You said that before MoM it didnt' exist. I'm merely pointing out that it did.

 

Actually, you're just trying to start an argument. It isn't forced - you don't need to do traits and anyone who plays the game knows traits/deeds are a grind.

I think you are taking the statements out of context in order to troll.

Have a nice day.

S

PS : His point was, that in his opinion, there was a lot of grinding PRE Moria. If we are talking specifically about Traits, then nothing has changed so it is obviously NOT relevant to the point he was trying to make.

wow buddy, I think you are being rude for the sake of being rude.

It is pretty cut and dry. If you want to make your character better you have to do traits and deeds. Therefore with certain traits/deeds you have to grind. At least at certain levels as later on in the game you might get a way to do that same trait but in a different way (such as completing all the quests in a region, etc.)

I am not a troll and to even suggest that is beyond the pale as "me" disagreeing with you and offering what I think are valid arguments seems pretty acceptable on a game forum.

Furthermore, I have been playing in Lothlorien and yes, the quests there are repeatable, but in no way do you "have" to do them all over and over ad infinitum if all you want to do is get to the alliance level there and then get a few of the higher level purchasable things. At least to what i've seen as I'm halfway + to alliance.

I have done very few of them over and over. As a matter of fact, the 2 quests that I've done the most were the very first two to get into Lothlorien in the first place, so that I could see as a necessary grind. But after that? I have only repeated one of the quests (which was the quest where you destroy weapons in the north west of the region).

You can do them over and over in order to continually get gift boxes but quite frankly I'm not sure to my taste that that is worth it.

So in summation, me disagreeing with you and stating my arguments is not being a troll or being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative but more that I'm disagreeing with you. I believe that is my right just as it is your right to disagree with me.

Or should I just call you a troll? Of course not. ; )

 The only problem I've encountered recently are:

1)  A few mobs going in to anti-exploit mode.  BFD.

2)  Login server woes.

There are other issues like the turtle raid being broken.  Meaning raiders were exploiting it (that's a real shocker isn't it), so Turbine shut it down unitl they can fix it.  Crafting at endgame is supposedly a bit weak.  The craft guild items look pretty nice to me.  I'm level 56 and am already making crafting guild items for myself and friends.

There is a lot more reputation in MoM.  But this is what happens when you rush to level 60.  There's nothing left to do...so it's actually working as intended.  Something to keep you busy if you so choose.  If you don't want to grind rep at 60 then don't rush to 60.

I honestly don't know why people are whining.  I think it's because they are bored.  Again, this goes back to the old mmo mantra "This isn't a race."

Originally posted by Thradar

 The only problem I've encountered recently are:

1)  A few mobs going in to anti-exploit mode.  BFD.

2)  Login server woes.

There are other issues like the turtle raid being broken.  Meaning raiders were exploiting it (that's a real shocker isn't it), so Turbine shut it down unitl they can fix it.  Crafting at endgame is supposedly a bit weak.  The craft guild items look pretty nice to me.  I'm level 56 and am already making crafting guild items for myself and friends.

There is a lot more reputation in MoM.  But this is what happens when you rush to level 60.  There's nothing left to do...so it's actually working as intended.  Something to keep you busy if you so choose.  If you don't want to grind rep at 60 then don't rush to 60.

I honestly don't know why people are whining.  I think it's because they are bored.  Again, this goes back to the old mmo mantra "This isn't a race."

I completely agree with you.

If one "wants" to do something it's there to do it. Some say the Legendary Item system is a grind but to me it's something to do when I'm in the mood to do it. However, if you just have to have the best Legendary item then I can see where one would think that would be a grind as the only way to really work it out is to constantly grind out areas so you can get items to use or deconstruct.

In a similar fashion, given what Sharkyspal said, I don't intend on doing anything in Lothlorien over and over and over again. I will follow the quest line which should take me to alliance relatively soon. If I have to do a few quests over no big deal but I don't see myself grinding in Lothlorien until the next content update.

I'd rather explore Moria and just experience the game. Seems a bit new agey but I enjoy it.

Originally posted by Thradar

 The only problem I've encountered recently are:

1)  A few mobs going in to anti-exploit mode.  BFD.

2)  Login server woes.

There are other issues like the turtle raid being broken.  Meaning raiders were exploiting it (that's a real shocker isn't it), so Turbine shut it down unitl they can fix it.  Crafting at endgame is supposedly a bit weak.  The craft guild items look pretty nice to me.  I'm level 56 and am already making crafting guild items for myself and friends.

There is a lot more reputation in MoM.  But this is what happens when you rush to level 60.  There's nothing left to do...so it's actually working as intended.  Something to keep you busy if you so choose.  If you don't want to grind rep at 60 then don't rush to 60.

I honestly don't know why people are whining.  I think it's because they are bored.  Again, this goes back to the old mmo mantra "This isn't a race."

No and in LotRos defense, it has tons of content (If you bother to check it out as opposed to blasting through to 60).

Lorien seems rushed to me and also breaks the game in several places.

S

PS : Game is now down indefinitely due to network problems etc.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

 

PS : There was no forced grinding pre-Moria. You just didnt know what you were doing :)

 

That's not exactly true.

There was grinding for traits/deeds. Such as the Trolls south west of the Dwarf starting area (can remember the name of the dungeon) or the wyrms in angmar.

Of course not every trait/deed is a kill x task but there were those.

 

And there still are post Moria. I dont think thats what we were talking about. It's accepted that traits are grinds.

 

But then there is some forced grinding. You said that before MoM it didnt' exist. I'm merely pointing out that it did.

 

Actually, you're just trying to start an argument. It isn't forced - you don't need to do traits and anyone who plays the game knows traits/deeds are a grind.

I think you are taking the statements out of context in order to troll.

Have a nice day.

S

PS : His point was, that in his opinion, there was a lot of grinding PRE Moria. If we are talking specifically about Traits, then nothing has changed so it is obviously NOT relevant to the point he was trying to make.

 

wow buddy, I think you are being rude for the sake of being rude.

It is pretty cut and dry. If you want to make your character better you have to do traits and deeds. Therefore with certain traits/deeds you have to grind. At least at certain levels as later on in the game you might get a way to do that same trait but in a different way (such as completing all the quests in a region, etc.)

I am not a troll and to even suggest that is beyond the pale as "me" disagreeing with you and offering what I think are valid arguments seems pretty acceptable on a game forum.

Furthermore, I have been playing in Lothlorien and yes, the quests there are repeatable, but in no way do you "have" to do them all over and over ad infinitum if all you want to do is get to the alliance level there and then get a few of the higher level purchasable things. At least to what i've seen as I'm halfway + to alliance.

I have done very few of them over and over. As a matter of fact, the 2 quests that I've done the most were the very first two to get into Lothlorien in the first place, so that I could see as a necessary grind. But after that? I have only repeated one of the quests (which was the quest where you destroy weapons in the north west of the region).

You can do them over and over in order to continually get gift boxes but quite frankly I'm not sure to my taste that that is worth it.

So in summation, me disagreeing with you and stating my arguments is not being a troll or being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative but more that I'm disagreeing with you. I believe that is my right just as it is your right to disagree with me.

Or should I just call you a troll? Of course not. ; )

Nope, it was quite clear what the dispute was and you introduced an irrelevant point.

We can, however, agree to disagree.

S

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Thradar

 The only problem I've encountered recently are:

1)  A few mobs going in to anti-exploit mode.  BFD.

2)  Login server woes.

There are other issues like the turtle raid being broken.  Meaning raiders were exploiting it (that's a real shocker isn't it), so Turbine shut it down unitl they can fix it.  Crafting at endgame is supposedly a bit weak.  The craft guild items look pretty nice to me.  I'm level 56 and am already making crafting guild items for myself and friends.

There is a lot more reputation in MoM.  But this is what happens when you rush to level 60.  There's nothing left to do...so it's actually working as intended.  Something to keep you busy if you so choose.  If you don't want to grind rep at 60 then don't rush to 60.

I honestly don't know why people are whining.  I think it's because they are bored.  Again, this goes back to the old mmo mantra "This isn't a race."

 

No and in LotRos defense, it has tons of content (If you bother to check it out as opposed to blasting through to 60).

Lorien seems rushed to me and also breaks the game in several places.

S

PS : Game is now down indefinitely due to network problems etc.

ok, NOW I can agree with you.

I don't feel, other than look that Lothlorien has the same level of detail and care to the quests as other areas in the game.

There are some quests that do break the mold a bit but some of them don't really work for me. For instance the quest where you have to berate the drunken party goers. I've permanently dropped that one as standing around hoping to hear one of them say something "drunken" just wasn't fun.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Thradar

 The only problem I've encountered recently are:

1)  A few mobs going in to anti-exploit mode.  BFD.

2)  Login server woes.

There are other issues like the turtle raid being broken.  Meaning raiders were exploiting it (that's a real shocker isn't it), so Turbine shut it down unitl they can fix it.  Crafting at endgame is supposedly a bit weak.  The craft guild items look pretty nice to me.  I'm level 56 and am already making crafting guild items for myself and friends.

There is a lot more reputation in MoM.  But this is what happens when you rush to level 60.  There's nothing left to do...so it's actually working as intended.  Something to keep you busy if you so choose.  If you don't want to grind rep at 60 then don't rush to 60.

I honestly don't know why people are whining.  I think it's because they are bored.  Again, this goes back to the old mmo mantra "This isn't a race."

 

No and in LotRos defense, it has tons of content (If you bother to check it out as opposed to blasting through to 60).

Lorien seems rushed to me and also breaks the game in several places.

S

PS : Game is now down indefinitely due to network problems etc.

 

ok, NOW I can agree with you.

I don't feel, other than look that Lothlorien has the same level of detail and care to the quests as other areas in the game.

There are some quests that do break the mold a bit but some of them don't really work for me. For instance the quest where you have to berate the drunken party goers. I've permanently dropped that one as standing around hoping to hear one of them say something "drunken" just wasn't fun.

Lol, that drunken quest is SOOOOOOOOO stupid. Lorien is completely uninspired and boring. I wish they had taken more time on it tbh.

I have to admit I haven't been too impressed with Lothlorian.  I'm hoping once I can actually get into the core city it will blow my mind.  However so far it's sort of bland and grindy.  I can see that Turbine wanted to try something new with the area, but it is falling on it's face in terms of fun for me so far.

On the birght side, I started working on some lowbies and seeing some stuff I missed the first two times through.  Got through all of Fornost for the first time over the weekend.  The final boss looks a bit like ghost rider, but on the whole an amazing experience.  A solid 7 hour dungeon crawl (I'm not making that up), whith some very fun fights and some amazing gear drops (for the late 30s).