Ok I played WOW from beta untill about 2 months before The Burning Crusade came out.  My favorite character was the Warlock, and horde undead was always my choice.  Yes I got my warlock to level 60 before TBC came out, and did alot of PvPing.  I ran the 40man raids back in the day, and I enjoyed most of what I did.  The game became stale and just didn't have any real content that impressed me by that time.  I knew I could never make an impact on the world at all, and all I could hope for is my PvP rank to stand out among other people just like my CounterStrike Rank used to. 

Well TBC came out and I resubbed and that lasted 2 months and I quit.  I feel they really wrecked the game horribly at this point.  All the previous 40 man's were to easy now and instead of giving level limits to the dungeons they just let anyone who was above 60 enter them.  Making 40 mans pathetic now.  The PvP was ultra boring now, everything that I had achived was worthless now and I found the same pathetic no story grind that was before I quit originally.  So I quit again.

Well Wrath of the Lich king came out, and I swore I would not buy it, and I still haven't.  I even let a friend play my account because I figured I would never come back.  Well my buddies computer blew up on him and he had paid for 3 months so I figured what the hell I would log back in and try it out again and see what has changed, but the biggest reason I wanted to try it again is I found a great UI that looked amazing.  SO the biggest reason I came back is just to see this new UI in action.  So  2 days into playing and here is what I found....I went from 63-66 in 4 hours of game play, my buddies who still play the game decided to take me into a couple TBC dungeons so I could see what they were like.  We went in as a 5 man with 1 level 80 Deathknight, 1 level 80 hunter, 2 level 66 Warlocks and a level 68 priest.  I have to say this was the most pathetic experiance I have ever had in a group/raid EVER!!!!  Why would the Devs allow such gross levels into these dungeons?  I mean the Deathknight pretty much pulled the entire first level of the dungeon and then dropped it before any of us even could drop 1, and that INCLUDES THE BOSS!  My entire job in there was to loot and that was all, there was nothing to do, no risk no nothing.  I quote some of the people from that guild, "Don't worry when you hit 80 we will take you on some good dungeons, that should be in about a week."  This infuriated me, because the game is still the same, hit max level and enjoy nothing.  I mean the Devs really are not thinking about this game at all are they, and everyone is out for the quick and easy game.  The game is nothing more then COD4 now, and I have to say there is pretty much nothing that makes me want to buy WOTLK, other then to say I have all of the expansions.  I even heard about this refer a friend JOKE that makes it so you can have a level 80 toon from scratch in 10 days if your good enough, what the hell is that?

Man the things I could go on about on this game just make me sick now, but I will say one good thing about the game.  The third party UI, I was using was great and it was a joy to use that alone.

HEY!!!

I love COD4

I'm sorry but I have stopped believing anyone saying the have played since beta till xxx.   Maybe you did, maybe you didn't doesn't matter. 

WoW is what it is.  It does what it does very well and makes lots of money doing it.  It's no suprise to anyone, espicially here.  Enjoy it for what it's worth and move on if it isn't.  Stop trying to project feelings of nostalgia to the current gameplay.  You've grown and WoW hasn't.  It's not a big suprise.  Get used to the feeling.  It will happen more and more every year.  The world always goes to shit as you grow older and the next genereation will never understand. 

Probably better to come back and say that you don' t care for the game play rather thane deride it since many people really do enjoy the way Blizzard has evolved the game.

Its designed to be user friendly, to open as much of the game world as possible to as many users as possible, and exclusivity of achievements is limited in scope.

Not the game for you?  Not the game for me either, but I can't say its a "pathetic" game, just contains game play I don't care for.

My son really seems to enjoy the game, caters perfectly to his needs since he's been sub'd since before beta and always goes back. 

Originally posted by zantax

Ok I played WOW from beta untill about 2 months before The Burning Crusade came out.  My favorite character was the Warlock, and horde undead was always my choice.  Yes I got my warlock to level 60 before TBC came out, and did alot of PvPing.  I ran the 40man raids back in the day, and I enjoyed most of what I did.  The game became stale and just didn't have any real content that impressed me by that time.  I knew I could never make an impact on the world at all, and all I could hope for is my PvP rank to stand out among other people just like my CounterStrike Rank used to. 

Well TBC came out and I resubbed and that lasted 2 months and I quit.  I feel they really wrecked the game horribly at this point.  All the previous 40 man's were to easy now and instead of giving level limits to the dungeons they just let anyone who was above 60 enter them.  Making 40 mans pathetic now.  The PvP was ultra boring now, everything that I had achived was worthless now and I found the same pathetic no story grind that was before I quit originally.  So I quit again.

Well Wrath of the Lich king came out, and I swore I would not buy it, and I still haven't.  I even let a friend play my account because I figured I would never come back.  Well my buddies computer blew up on him and he had paid for 3 months so I figured what the hell I would log back in and try it out again and see what has changed, but the biggest reason I wanted to try it again is I found a great UI that looked amazing.  SO the biggest reason I came back is just to see this new UI in action.  So  2 days into playing and here is what I found....I went from 63-66 in 4 hours of game play, my buddies who still play the game decided to take me into a couple TBC dungeons so I could see what they were like.  We went in as a 5 man with 1 level 80 Deathknight, 1 level 80 hunter, 2 level 66 Warlocks and a level 68 priest.  I have to say this was the most pathetic experiance I have ever had in a group/raid EVER!!!!  Why would the Devs allow such gross levels into these dungeons?  I mean the Deathknight pretty much pulled the entire first level of the dungeon and then dropped it before any of us even could drop 1, and that INCLUDES THE BOSS!  My entire job in there was to loot and that was all, there was nothing to do, no risk no nothing.  I quote some of the people from that guild, "Don't worry when you hit 80 we will take you on some good dungeons, that should be in about a week."  This infuriated me, because the game is still the same, hit max level and enjoy nothing.  I mean the Devs really are not thinking about this game at all are they, and everyone is out for the quick and easy game.  The game is nothing more then COD4 now, and I have to say there is pretty much nothing that makes me want to buy WOTLK, other then to say I have all of the expansions.  I even heard about this refer a friend JOKE that makes it so you can have a level 80 toon from scratch in 10 days if your good enough, what the hell is that?

Man the things I could go on about on this game just make me sick now, but I will say one good thing about the game.  The third party UI, I was using was great and it was a joy to use that alone.

Um, you make so many assumptions and comments in a tirade type manner, its hard to comment but I will do my best.

First and foremost, level 40 mans should be easier as you advance in level. Why? Because you are higher level, better gear, more stats, while the dungeon itself is static and doesn't change. Sure, they could update the dungeon but then people would be screaming that "there is no new content" "Blizzard is lazy, they only recycle used content".....oh wait, they do because of Naxx now. 40 mans were a thing of the past just like everything else. What's next? We should buff Hogger and make him more powerful than the Lich King?!?!

So you went back to a game because of an UI? That's it....that was your motivation. Wow, please link this awesome UI.... I am sorry for the sarcasm but seriously...if that is the only reason you went back, then you made need to re-evaluate the reasons you subscribe to games and pay $15. There is no UI out there worth me resubbing to any game.

Okay about the dungeon - you went in a level 60 something dungeon with 2 level 80s. Okay 3 level 80s can handle Khara. One level 80 can take out Onyxia. Of course you are going to destroy the instance...it won't be fun, it will be a cake walk. I mean its like at level 60 when you ran friends through SM or RFK, or some other dungeon 15 or so levels below you. I am not sure what the problem is here though. That level of a group going into a dungeon 15-ish levels below the top two people, will be cake. Heck, the Dk and Hunter could probably do that without you guys there. And DK's kick butt from 55-70 and then level out 70-80 (I think there is a slow drop-off in DK skills and abilities at 70-80 as supposed to God mode 55-70).

The game is level 80 now. The harder stuff is the max level stuff so the level 80 stuff is the hard stuff. It is called progression and it happens in every game. Any game where the max level is raised will make the lower level stuff easier. It's natural and again, I am sorry but I do not understand the problem with that. is Blizzard really supposed to go back and make everything hard for level 80's? if so, then what will people leveling do?

The refer-a-friend thing is great. it has a lot of restrictions and it does not take you all the way to 80 and it has a time limit too. I used it to help my wife get to level 60 so she could group with my alt. Sure it made it easier but it is a choice and nobody forces you to use it. We used it because I wanted to create another alt and the best way was to help her out too. It has its purpose and the purpose isn't to get to level 80 ASAP, its to get to level 60. Leveling was sped up from 60-70 and 70-80 is decent speed too and if Blizzard mkaes the cap 90, leveling from 70-80 will be sped up too. Again, MMO's have a natural end-game and the goal is to get there because that is where the action is. EQ, EQ2, WAR, DAOC, all had end-game focuses. Even though I think the journey is more important and fun than the destination, that's not the way MMO's work and WOW is no exception.

Originally posted by zantax

We went in as a 5 man with 1 level 80 Deathknight, 1 level 80 hunter, 2 level 66 Warlocks and a level 68 priest.  I have to say this was the most pathetic experiance I have ever had in a group/raid EVER!!!!

you cant judge a dungeon on an experience like this

those same issues existed before any expansions

a level 60 running a group through Scarlet Monastery -- same old overpowered issues

want to have fun in a dungeon?  

play with a level appropiate group

As a decent ish raider I can say Im done, title grinds is where I draw the line as the major content.

Originally posted by zantax

Well TBC came out and I resubbed and that lasted 2 months and I quit.  I feel they really wrecked the game horribly at this point.  All the previous 40 man's were to easy now and instead of giving level limits to the dungeons they just let anyone who was above 60 enter them.  Making 40 mans pathetic now.  The PvP was ultra boring now, everything that I had achived was worthless now and I found the same pathetic no story grind that was before I quit originally.  So I quit again. WotLK builds on TBC for sure, but where is there a problem in that? If you like raiding, having a new raid is not a big issue. Raiders will still raid despite their old gear becoming obsolete. For people who don't raid, it's not an issue because we have a tendancy of either PvPing or rerolling alts. So what is the problem with new content that builds up on the old? If Blizz released an xpac that was a complete rupture with the rest of the game, I guarantee you that there would be a lot more upset players right now.

Well Wrath of the Lich king came out, and I swore I would not buy it, and I still haven't.  I even let a friend play my account because I figured I would never come back.  Well my buddies computer blew up on him and he had paid for 3 months so I figured what the hell I would log back in and try it out again and see what has changed, but the biggest reason I wanted to try it again is I found a great UI that looked amazing.  SO the biggest reason I came back is just to see this new UI in action.  So  2 days into playing and here is what I found....I went from 63-66 in 4 hours of game play, my buddies who still play the game decided to take me into a couple TBC dungeons so I could see what they were like.  We went in as a 5 man with 1 level 80 Deathknight, 1 level 80 hunter, 2 level 66 Warlocks and a level 68 priest.  I have to say this was the most pathetic experiance I have ever had in a group/raid EVER!!!!  Why would the Devs allow such gross levels into these dungeons?  I mean the Deathknight pretty much pulled the entire first level of the dungeon and then dropped it before any of us even could drop 1, and that INCLUDES THE BOSS!  My entire job in there was to loot and that was all, there was nothing to do, no risk no nothing.  I quote some of the people from that guild, "Don't worry when you hit 80 we will take you on some good dungeons, that should be in about a week."  This infuriated me, because the game is still the same, hit max level and enjoy nothing.  I mean the Devs really are not thinking about this game at all are they, and everyone is out for the quick and easy game.  The game is nothing more then COD4 now, and I have to say there is pretty much nothing that makes me want to buy WOTLK, other then to say I have all of the expansions.  I even heard about this refer a friend JOKE that makes it so you can have a level 80 toon from scratch in 10 days if your good enough, what the hell is that? That is partly due to your friends: if they want to hit max level as fast as possible and not enjoy the entire experience of what the game has to offer, then that's their problem. There is nothing stopping you going more slowly and playing the game as a game if that's the case. I do agree with you that DKs are OP, but Blizz are tweeking them. Level 80s are very different from even level 70s, so being in a level 65ish dungeon is no problem for a level 80. As for banning certain levels from being able to access a dungeon, why? If people want to be boosted why can't they opt for being boosted if there is someone willing to do it? If you don't want to, just join a guild that plays the game the same way you do.

Man the things I could go on about on this game just make me sick now, but I will say one good thing about the game.  The third party UI, I was using was great and it was a joy to use that alone. I'm not sure how someone can enjoy using a UI for a game they dislike but ok.. whatever floats your boat.

I actually found WoTLK to be a good expansion for WoW, with decent content.

Their new class, the DK's are over-powered and need a nerf/adjustment badly though.

That being said, I'm giving WOW a break while I try out DFO.

Tells your friends you would like to play the game and not get powered through the content.  Odds are their hearts are in the right place, but if it is ruining your experience then do something else.

As troll posts go, this was pretty pathetic.

The OP is complaining that when his group did content they were way too powerfull for that it was too easy.

Next we will have people complaining that water is too wet or that fire burns.

hai guyz, just wanted to say that wow is the wrost game evar bcoz im not smart enuff to not group with level 80s to run a sixty-something dungeon and they it was really easymode, why does blizz allow this? ? ? ??  ?? ? ?? ?  ? ? ?   there should be a no levels above in dungoens and raid.  i used to be level 60 with raids gear but when i make higher level all my old gear is worhtless.  why is this? ????  ? i played from closed beta until one wek ago but still don't understand the concept of epansions and levls!!  it not fair for me i piut in thousands or hours to get my 60 gear, now i have to get rid of it?!  WAKE UP PEOPLE THIS IS THE WORST GAEM EVER QUIT AND PLAY A REALY GAME LIKE WAR

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Originally posted by el_muerte
hai guyz, just wanted to say that wow is the wrost game evar bcoz im not smart enuff to not group with level 80s to run a sixty-something dungeon and they it was really easymode, why does blizz allow this? ? ? ??  ?? ? ?? ?  ? ? ?   there should be a no levels above in dungoens and raid.  i used to be level 60 with raids gear but when i make higher level all my old gear is worhtless.  why is this? ????  ? i played from closed beta until one wek ago but still don't understand the concept of epansions and levls!!  it not fair for me i piut in thousands or hours to get my 60 gear, now i have to get rid of it?!  WAKE UP PEOPLE THIS IS THE WORST GAEM EVER QUIT AND PLAY A REALY GAME LIKE WAR

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ROFL! That made my day :)

Can I have your stuff?

I get what the OP is trying to say, I played wow for one month from when it launched to when I hit max level when it came out. You may say no way, but thats what I do if the game is to easy. WoW has always been easy and pointless to me, but the OP has a point, making a dungeon have a max level cap is something a lot of games have done and still do. Other games make scaling dungeons that level to your level. The purpose of a forum is to say what you want to say, to simply make fun of a poster because you don't like his veiws is juvenile and a bit well makes you look rather poor in spirit to put it nicely. If you don't like what the poster says try to formulate a good response to maybe show him or her something they missed, I know for some of you this requires more work than your willing to do. So we will endure your cute antics.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by zantax

Ok I played WOW from beta untill about 2 months before The Burning Crusade came out.  My favorite character was the Warlock, and horde undead was always my choice.  Yes I got my warlock to level 60 before TBC came out, and did alot of PvPing.  I ran the 40man raids back in the day, and I enjoyed most of what I did.  The game became stale and just didn't have any real content that impressed me by that time.  I knew I could never make an impact on the world at all, and all I could hope for is my PvP rank to stand out among other people just like my CounterStrike Rank used to. 

Well TBC came out and I resubbed and that lasted 2 months and I quit.  I feel they really wrecked the game horribly at this point.  All the previous 40 man's were to easy now and instead of giving level limits to the dungeons they just let anyone who was above 60 enter them.  Making 40 mans pathetic now.  The PvP was ultra boring now, everything that I had achived was worthless now and I found the same pathetic no story grind that was before I quit originally.  So I quit again.

Well Wrath of the Lich king came out, and I swore I would not buy it, and I still haven't.  I even let a friend play my account because I figured I would never come back.  Well my buddies computer blew up on him and he had paid for 3 months so I figured what the hell I would log back in and try it out again and see what has changed, but the biggest reason I wanted to try it again is I found a great UI that looked amazing.  SO the biggest reason I came back is just to see this new UI in action.  So  2 days into playing and here is what I found....I went from 63-66 in 4 hours of game play, my buddies who still play the game decided to take me into a couple TBC dungeons so I could see what they were like.  We went in as a 5 man with 1 level 80 Deathknight, 1 level 80 hunter, 2 level 66 Warlocks and a level 68 priest.  I have to say this was the most pathetic experiance I have ever had in a group/raid EVER!!!!  Why would the Devs allow such gross levels into these dungeons?  I mean the Deathknight pretty much pulled the entire first level of the dungeon and then dropped it before any of us even could drop 1, and that INCLUDES THE BOSS!  My entire job in there was to loot and that was all, there was nothing to do, no risk no nothing.  I quote some of the people from that guild, "Don't worry when you hit 80 we will take you on some good dungeons, that should be in about a week."  This infuriated me, because the game is still the same, hit max level and enjoy nothing.  I mean the Devs really are not thinking about this game at all are they, and everyone is out for the quick and easy game.  The game is nothing more then COD4 now, and I have to say there is pretty much nothing that makes me want to buy WOTLK, other then to say I have all of the expansions.  I even heard about this refer a friend JOKE that makes it so you can have a level 80 toon from scratch in 10 days if your good enough, what the hell is that?

Man the things I could go on about on this game just make me sick now, but I will say one good thing about the game.  The third party UI, I was using was great and it was a joy to use that alone.

Um, you make so many assumptions and comments in a tirade type manner, its hard to comment but I will do my best.

First and foremost, level 40 mans should be easier as you advance in level. Why? Because you are higher level, better gear, more stats, while the dungeon itself is static and doesn't change. Sure, they could update the dungeon but then people would be screaming that "there is no new content" "Blizzard is lazy, they only recycle used content".....oh wait, they do because of Naxx now. 40 mans were a thing of the past just like everything else. What's next? We should buff Hogger and make him more powerful than the Lich King?!?!

So you went back to a game because of an UI? That's it....that was your motivation. Wow, please link this awesome UI.... I am sorry for the sarcasm but seriously...if that is the only reason you went back, then you made need to re-evaluate the reasons you subscribe to games and pay $15. There is no UI out there worth me resubbing to any game.

Okay about the dungeon - you went in a level 60 something dungeon with 2 level 80s. Okay 3 level 80s can handle Khara. One level 80 can take out Onyxia. Of course you are going to destroy the instance...it won't be fun, it will be a cake walk. I mean its like at level 60 when you ran friends through SM or RFK, or some other dungeon 15 or so levels below you. I am not sure what the problem is here though. That level of a group going into a dungeon 15-ish levels below the top two people, will be cake. Heck, the Dk and Hunter could probably do that without you guys there. And DK's kick butt from 55-70 and then level out 70-80 (I think there is a slow drop-off in DK skills and abilities at 70-80 as supposed to God mode 55-70).

The game is level 80 now. The harder stuff is the max level stuff so the level 80 stuff is the hard stuff. It is called progression and it happens in every game. Any game where the max level is raised will make the lower level stuff easier. It's natural and again, I am sorry but I do not understand the problem with that. is Blizzard really supposed to go back and make everything hard for level 80's? if so, then what will people leveling do?

The refer-a-friend thing is great. it has a lot of restrictions and it does not take you all the way to 80 and it has a time limit too. I used it to help my wife get to level 60 so she could group with my alt. Sure it made it easier but it is a choice and nobody forces you to use it. We used it because I wanted to create another alt and the best way was to help her out too. It has its purpose and the purpose isn't to get to level 80 ASAP, its to get to level 60. Leveling was sped up from 60-70 and 70-80 is decent speed too and if Blizzard mkaes the cap 90, leveling from 70-80 will be sped up too. Again, MMO's have a natural end-game and the goal is to get there because that is where the action is. EQ, EQ2, WAR, DAOC, all had end-game focuses. Even though I think the journey is more important and fun than the destination, that's not the way MMO's work and WOW is no exception.

It is called CREATING a game,perhaps if WOW could actually think for themselves instead of copying EQ,they would be able to design a game properly.NO Blizzard does not have to go back and re do the content,how about put a level cap on the content in the first place?level 40 content=level 40 cap,you enter as a level 40 no matter what level you are.SIMPLE to implement and keeps the content EARNED not spoon fed.If nothing is earned,then when you get the usual "DING level 50"who really cares?or look at my cool mount or loot,WHO CARES,was it hard to get?DiD you really feel like you progressed or just put in time and a monthly fee?

IT has ZERO to do with progression,besides i would think a player wants progression to be satisfying,and if that means GIVING everything to you,then you really should not be playing a game,because just like sports ,they are meant to be challenging,yet still maintaining fun,so don''t even go there bringing FUN into it.Again you need a mature mind set to distinguish fun from ridiculous.It would be like putting a mens team in a childrens league,i am sure there are some immature men who would think this is great i get to win every game ,but MOST realize how stupid and ridiculous the idea is.Well that is the EXACT same analogy that follows into games,because just like sports 99% are competing against others,hence why the PVP trend is so popular.

You now this topic helped remind me of what to type ,whenever the fanbois repeats over and over "Blizzard knows how to do things right"  LMAO ya right,maybe if you only play WOW and have no clue of reality.Even EQ2 realized to make mobs grayed out once your level was too high,imagine a player who is there to EARN a quest cant ever get the fight because some level 50 is killing his level 10 boss for the loot..Putting that same content into an instance area so all can get to it,is not fixing a failed design it is a VERY cheap approach to designing a game.Instance zones do not have to be implemented into the actual game at all,witch is why they are such CHEAP forms of content,ANY amateur could design an instance because of the fact it is separated from the game,it is MUCH harder to create content that has to flow with the game world.WOW fails at this ,this is why they cling to their many instances for their design.

Originally posted by Torik

As troll posts go, this was pretty pathetic.

The OP is complaining that when his group did content they were way too powerfull for that it was too easy.

Next we will have people complaining that water is too wet or that fire burns.

Your analogy is not even close to the same and shows you are one of the many  who misuse the word "troll" every time something doesn't agree with him.Calling someone a troll is actually a flame,ESPECIALLY when mis using it ,so STICK to the topic and be VERY careful mis using the word TROLL ,MANY on this site are using it as a FLAME ,just because they do not agree with the OP.

You WANT fire to burn and you WANT water to be wet,you do not want content in a game to be watered down,you were so far out to lunch on that analogy it is sad,total opposite ends of the spectrum.This WAS the purpose of the OP 's post,that allowing level 80's into a level 40 content,IS watering it down and making a joke of the game design,it was ALSO a non satisfying experience for the OP as it should be for anyone ,exploiting such a poor design flaw.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Torik

As troll posts go, this was pretty pathetic.

The OP is complaining that when his group did content they were way too powerfull for that it was too easy.

Next we will have people complaining that water is too wet or that fire burns.

 

Your analogy is not even close to the same and shows you are one of the many  who misuse the word "troll" every time something doesn't agree with him.Calling someone a troll is actually a flame,ESPECIALLY when mis using it ,so STICK to the topic and be VERY careful mis using the word TROLL ,MANY on this site are using it as a FLAME ,just because they do not agree with the OP.

You WANT fire to burn and you WANT water to be wet,you do not want content in a game to be watered down,you were so far out to lunch on that analogy it is sad,total opposite ends of the spectrum.This WAS the purpose of the OP 's post,that allowing level 80's into a level 40 content,IS watering it down and making a joke of the game design,it was ALSO a non satisfying experience for the OP as it should be for anyone ,exploiting such a poor design flaw.

Of course I am flaming the OP.  He is calling the game pathetic when it is actually his expectations of the game that are pathetic. 

When I accidently stick my hand in the fire I do not want it to burn but I EXPECT it to burn.  Similarly when I am caught in a rain outside without an umbrella I do not want the water to be wet but I EXPECT it to be wet.   It would be pretty pathetic of me to be outraged when stuff I EXPECT to happen a certain way actually happens that way.

If you go into a level 60 or 70 dungeon with multiple level 80s, you should EXPECT it to be easy.  If the OP wanted to measure the challenge presented in the content he should have gone in with a group that was level appropriate for the dungeon.  If he then finds the content too easy then he would have a more legitimate gripe.  You do not put a ringer on your team and then complain that you win too easily.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Torik

As troll posts go, this was pretty pathetic.

The OP is complaining that when his group did content they were way too powerfull for that it was too easy.

Next we will have people complaining that water is too wet or that fire burns.

 

Your analogy is not even close to the same and shows you are one of the many  who misuse the word "troll" every time something doesn't agree with him.Calling someone a troll is actually a flame,ESPECIALLY when mis using it ,so STICK to the topic and be VERY careful mis using the word TROLL ,MANY on this site are using it as a FLAME ,just because they do not agree with the OP.

You WANT fire to burn and you WANT water to be wet,you do not want content in a game to be watered down,you were so far out to lunch on that analogy it is sad,total opposite ends of the spectrum.This WAS the purpose of the OP 's post,that allowing level 80's into a level 40 content,IS watering it down and making a joke of the game design,it was ALSO a non satisfying experience for the OP as it should be for anyone ,exploiting such a poor design flaw.

I thought Torik nailed the analogy. 

Try reading the title and the original posters rantings.  Is there anything constructive at all in the post or is it just someone ranting about how pathetic something is while everyone else sees the huge flaw in his logic about taking level 80s into a level 60 dungeon.  No one put a gun to his head and forced those players into his group and into the dungeon.  What he did was called a choice and he is crying about the results of his actions and blaming someone else for the outcome.  I thought that calling him a troll was kind considering all the other names that would do him much greater justice.

His post was inflamitory at the core.  Torik was spot on.

I know I am asking for trouble by responding to a bunch of the comments on my post, but I will do my best to explain myself.

Why did I return and pay because of a UI?  - Well if you read the original post you would see a buddy of mine who I let play my account paid for 3 months and then his PC blew up.  So I figured what the heck lets just see what the game is like, besides that UI is cool I love it.  Did I spend anything else on the game NO, so I am not wasting my money at all.

Link to the UI - http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/92ab3690-2b05-44f1-8000-fee7147ce0cb - that is where I first saw it and thought I would love to try it out but I didn't want to pay to do that, when my buddys computer blew up I figured I would try it out.

Friends Hearts being in the right place - Yes I do agree they were only trying to power level me, and that was my mistake.  I should have told them I didn't want to be power leveled, HOWEVER I have always felt that dungeons in all MMORPG's in general need to have not only a level requirement to enter but also a Max level requirement.  This stops not only power leveling but content from becomming obsolete.  Now for an example Onyx dungeon should have had a base level of 58 and a max level of 65.  This would then stop farming also stop power leveling, well maybe not completely but it makes Onyx quest stay as powerful as it should have being instead of 1 level 80 going in and soloing it over and over again.

I quit paying attention to people who say I have played from beta till xxx - well I can understand why you would do that, most of the time people say things like that in order to explain that they have had some experiance with a game, some may lie about it but alot do not.  I remember when undead didn't breath and could never drowned unless you decided to swim way out in the ocean really deep.  I admit that I got in at the end of open beta but I watched my favorite class get butchered and slaughtered over and over again by the nerf bat and so called improvments.

Hey I LOVE COD4 - Sorry it was not ment to be trash talking about COD4, I like COD4 as well but it is an instant gratification game like Counter Strike.  I was just making the comparison that if content begins at max level then why have the rest of the game, why not just start every one at 80 so that they get that instant gratification they want.  The Refer a friend option is a great way to get a max level character in 10 days, what is the real point of that?

40 mans should get easier as you get higher in level - I think I answered this one up in friends hearts being in the right place.

WOTLK really built on TBC and has alot of content - Ok if it is as easy to level as my buddies have said then how is anyone seeing or enjoying that content?   Instead they are blowing past it in days instead of enjoying the journey, which takes us back to the COD4 Analogy.

Can I have your stuff - No I would rather keep it just in case something happens like something earthbreaking happens in the game that makes me want to return.

There is nothing constructive in your original post - Well actually there is, the whole post really was about how easy it is to level and how WOW has gone from an MMORPG to a Massive Multiplayer Online Max Level Experiance.  I am sorry you didn't get that from my original post, and maybe I did rant a bit but the game to me has become a very watered down version of what it used to be even.

This is a Troll post - Sorry you feel that way but I really would like people to know that if you go to play WOW right now you are really only getting 1/3 of a game because it is so easy to level in it that you bypass everything and really can't enjoy alot of the content anymore.

Well I hope I addressed most of the posters comments here, and I know opinions are like A$$holes, everyone has one, but forums are the one place we are all allowed to put our thoughts down for others to read and agree or dissagree with.  I guess I have really grown out of the WOW style MMO, and rather then WOW growing with age it hasn't.  Instead I feel it has turned more and more into a Mr. Rogers Style MMO where everything is easy and happy.  Don't get me wrong I am not hardcore I don't want to try out Darkfall Online for PvP, but I want a game that presents a challenge to me where grouping is a good thing, and where I have a chance to make a differance in the outcome of the storyline, and so does everyone else.  An example of what I crave would be compared to the killing of the Olthoi Queen in Asherons Call, a server wide message goes out stating you have killed the othoi queen and the brood pull back defeated.  Not only does everyone see the message but if really felt like you accomplished something, like mounting Onyx's head in WOW, it may be fleeting but at least you are recognized by everyone for doing it.