Originally posted by Vince_G

Why don't they just make mmorpg where i pay my 50 bucks and pay 15 bucks a month where you appear in game at max level and skill.  Then I can go to all the end game stuff on day 1. Then no game will ever have any kind of grinding again. Oh I also want all the best gear and magic too. Some dotted lines and way points would be nice too showing me where all the content is and in what order to do it. I also want all my npcs to have big signs over there head showing me how to get every quest. hmm come to think of it i don't want any death penalty at all.

they should call it Fantasy Grand Adventure Theme Park

 

lol give me  a break

 

 

warning if this sounds good to you then don't play Darkfall

 

 

 

 

Your troll bait which makes the idea of WoW and all hard core games mutually exclusive from one another is a prime example of the flawed logic that I see every day on the DFO forums. 

The deduction goes something like this:

Darkfall is the ultimate pvp game and if you dont like it you must want icons over everyone's heads, a quest tracker and other WoW features.

Guess what genius? You dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on your game features just because you implemented PvP. 

A working UI, decent map system, chat system, some basic lore and content is not too much to ask.

I go back to my original thought a couple weeks ago, we need a new paradigm for Massive multiplayer games.  Some people want thempark, somepeople want whatever the hell you call Darkfall, and some of us want a complete remake of Ultima Online circa 1999 ish in a full 3d engine.

It will happen some day, its not going to happen here.

Originally posted by Vince_G

Exactly. Go out in the world and  E X P L O R E . That's what this game is about. There's a reason why it so easy to get a mount. 

 

Warning  this game is not a theme park with zones and instances where the game holds your hand and guides you to everything.   They should put this warning on the intro screen.

You keep making comments that have nothing to do with the question posed to you.  WSI mentioned the AI/PvE, and you bring up exploration?  Exploration is not something that is exclusive to PvE or PvP.

Originally posted by Rekindle

Your troll bait which makes the idea of WoW and all hard core games mutually exclusive from one another is a prime example of the flawed logic that I see every day on the DFO forums. 

The deduction goes something like this:

Darkfall is the ultimate pvp game and if you dont like it you must want icons over everyone's heads, a quest tracker and other WoW features.

Guess what genius? You dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on your game features just because you implemented PvP. 

A working UI, decent map system, chat system, some basic lore and content is not too much to ask.

I go back to my original thought a couple weeks ago, we need a new paradigm for Massive multiplayer games.  Some people want thempark, somepeople want whatever the hell you call Darkfall, and some of us want a complete remake of Ultima Online circa 1999 ish in a full 3d engine.

It will happen some day, its not going to happen here.

 

I agree in part with what you are saying, however I disagree with what you say about the Darkfall UI.  The UI is different and takes some getting used to, but it does work.  The maps system definitley needs works but is only a placeholder (for how long though, who knows).  Nothing is wrong with taking the best of certain things and using them in your game, as long as they don't contradict the essence of the game.

Darkfall is not the end all, be all of MMORPG.  It's good, just not that everything for everybody.

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by Vince_G

Exactly. Go out in the world and  E X P L O R E . That's what this game is about. There's a reason why it so easy to get a mount. 

 

Warning  this game is not a theme park with zones and instances where the game holds your hand and guides you to everything.   They should put this warning on the intro screen.

 

You keep making comments that have nothing to do with the question posed to you.  WSI mentioned the AI/PvE, and you bring up exploration?  Exploration is not something that is exclusive to PvE or PvP.

The most hardcore rarely answer the questions directly. They quiet often steer the conversation somewhere else. But in reality the fans will love, the exs will remain indifferent and we shall still try and warn those out there and still they will come back a couple of months from now and post a I quit because post.

Originally posted by tombear81

Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.

 

Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox.  Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination  is not a sandbox !  If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.

So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.

 

But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !

Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by tombear81

Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.

 

Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox.  Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination  is not a sandbox !  If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.

So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.

 

But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !

  Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate  way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled

With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities.  No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.

For a supposed  revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)

I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.  

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by tombear81

Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.

 

Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox.  Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination  is not a sandbox !  If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.

So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.

 

But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !

  Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate  way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled

 

With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities.  No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.

For a supposed  revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)

I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.  

Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks.  Your preaching to the choir here.

Originally posted by Darkfalrocks

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by tombear81

Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.

 

Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox.  Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination  is not a sandbox !  If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.

So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.

 

But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !

  Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate  way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled

 

With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities.  No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.

For a supposed  revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)

I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.  

Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks.  Your preaching to the choir here.

In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War".   It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist.  I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting for them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by Darkfalrocks

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by tombear81

Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.

 

Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox.  Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination  is not a sandbox !  If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.

So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.

 

But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !

  Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate  way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled

 

With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities.  No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.

For a supposed  revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)

I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.  

Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks.  Your preaching to the choir here.

Basically everything you just said is 100% wrong and does exist..you obviously don't play the game..

In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War".   It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist.  I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting of them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.

 

Did you quote me by mistake?

yup. sorry

Originally posted by Vince_G

Basically everything you just said is 100% wrong and does exist..you obviously don't play the game..

In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War".   It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist.  I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting of them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.

 

  If you think that, then you either do not play the game at all , or you are the worst player in MMO history.

NO ONE, I repeat , NO ONE in Darkfall carries anything valuable between cities. They put in a bank, run naked/ride to where they are going, then get it ouyt the bank again if they are trading it.

That isnt a trade route.

Its a way of avoiding so called 'hardcore' rules.

In fact, most gameplay in darkfall seems to revolve around avoiding any of the 'hardcore' penalties that are supposed to be the games attraction.

Global bank to keep your stuff, fighting naked, farming afkers for positive faction so you dont go red for ganking your own race.

Thats what the games daily play is like.

I believe there is more to DF than PvP. HOwever, the  PVE options are very limiited currently .  This is a game for anyone who enjoys an 'against the world' mentality

Originally posted by Czzarre

I believe there is more to DF than PvP. HOwever, the  PVE options are very limiited currently .  This is a game for anyone who enjoys an 'against the world' mentality

It's not really that, it's just that all roads lead back to PvP...and imo there is nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by Darkfalrocks

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by tombear81

Nobody 100% PvPs in MMOs. They might be 80% Killer and 20% Achiever but noone is 100%. The whole point of MMO is to provide a canvas on which to move in a direction. Thats even true of strategic games like Battlefield where a commander is more about achievment / socialising than outright killing.

 

Odd we having this discussion for a game which sells itself as a sandbox.  Where you are "free" to do "anything". Bullshit! Anyone with seven or so brain cells knows DF is faaar from a sandbox. And no fanboys filling in missing features with your imagination  is not a sandbox !  If you want to do that trying drawing or reading a book.

So yet another thread title which shows the horrid truth of DF. Maybe if DF update there website to focus on the few complete features i.e the (basic) combat. Maybe people would not troll the game so much. Chances of that happening btw are zero. Because this game is a massive cheap con.

 

But your "free" to do "anything"... lol my ass !

  Since the game has full loot ,farming real people for items is a totally legitimate  way of leveling up your skills while at the same time exploring the map and gearing up your character. There was a good discussion going on here till the thread got trolled

 

With regional banking no one is going to move goods around established trade routes. Few people are going to carry anything of massive value. Only the most idiotic would and they will learn or leave. There is no resource areas for example mining which causes movement of material to crafting areas i.e cities.  No logistics which is unforgiveable in a sandbox game. Given the game is supposed to be about wealth and conquest driving PVP it is a big miss.

For a supposed  revolutionary hardcore MMO this is a fatal flaw. Though the truth is I am begining to think may of the players of DF are not that hardcore in the sense of being able to utiize these features. Though I also suspect AV lobbed this feature a long time ago in favour of a release before Mortal Online. (Again can someone put pressure on them to update there website?!?!?)

I do find the word "farming" very ironic to use as well.  

Many polls have shown the Darkfall community is in favour of local banks.  Your preaching to the choir here.

In Regards to Cities, Resources and Trade routes, I would suggest Tombear81 reading Paragus's most recent blog entitled "Alliance and War".   It goes into depth on exactly these features you claim don't exist.  I'm sorry to say they do and hundreds of people are fighting for them every day. That's why cities and Hamlets are being fought for. Arguing will prove nothing. The facts speak for themselves and everyone who actually plays the game knows they are there.

 

blah blah it proves nothing due to universal banking.

The more i read these threads the less hardcore darkfall sounds.

universal banking DESTROYS risk all together. why should i walk to another city with tons of expensive items when i can bank it. go naked.  then get to my location and trade my loot. Avoiding risk does NOT = hardcore.

AV should take an example of eve , you bought somthing you have to pick it up, there is not STUPID universal banking. So if that item you have is lingering in a station located in lowsec or 0.0 space, your gonna have to be very good to retrive it. theres a huge risk you can lose the ship you have trying to get to that station, or worse yet. you got to the station picked up your item and NOw you have to escape the dangers .

That is NOT exsistant in darkfall. Goups of people can naked gank and get stuff. you can poor all your shit in a bank and travel to wherever you want without losing anything. Since there is no death penalties you can run nude to whereever you damn feel like it.

darkfall is just a shell of a game. It may be fun to those who play it yes but it can be much better.

if AV just shuts off universal banking youll then see how hardcore the game can be, but as long as it exsist its just carebear compared to eve .

big problem in these forums are those rabid fanboys spewing lies and crap about darkfall and what it really isnt.  That website of theres needs to be updated even to the point that they can mentiion its on a limited release. it sucks to see how they use such a website to hype the uninformed. and then on top of that depend on rabid fanboys to hype the uninformed also .

The game is not appealing to the masses, that is a fact youll have to accept.  there are many other games that are not appealing to the masses and have communities. Darkfall will have its community. it will just be a minor small one thats very vocal.

just gotta love how those rabid fanbois diss every other game in the market thinking they found a piece of gold in a pile of shit.

Originally posted by Vince_G

Originally posted by WSIMike

Except that AV/Tasos hyped the game's superior mob AI and claimed that PvE would be strong in the game and that it wouldn't only be PvP. And the die-hard fans rallied behind it, saying "anyone who thinks DF will be PvP only hasn't been paying attention. Tasos has said it will have strong PvE"

The hyped mob AI and such is what really had me interested in DF. The fact that it had open PvP as well (though I feared the type of people it would attract... and did), was a plus, since I enjoy PvP as well.

Of course, as soon as it became apparent PvE was near non-existent, the DF fans (yet again, true to character) changed their entire point-of-view, 180-degrees, to "This isn't a PvE game. This is only for hardcore PvP'ers. Go play your carebear WoW if you want to kill boars all day".

So.. DF as it exists now... y es... absolutely only viable if you're into chasing other players around.

DF as it was hyped for so long was a very different animal.

 

 

 Click my link my above and it will show just that there is plenty of PVE.  Darkfall is an extremely large world and they don't hold your hand guiding you to everything . If you want to find dungeons you actually have to go out exploring, put your life in danger and look. I am so tired of people whining about this.

 

http://www.afraidyet.net/forums/misc.php?do=page&template=Darkfall_Map

Yes, I've seen the map. Yes I know the game has mobs. 

That I brought up the topic of mob-AI *should* indicate that I realize there are mobs in DF.... at least for someone willing to think that deeply about it (which I know is a tall order for some DF fans here).

However, to iluminate the point for those who might not see the obvious connection...
In order to discuss "Mob AI" present, you need to know there are "Mobs" in the first place. Thus, that I discuss mob AI should indicate that I realize that there are mobs in the game.

So... to respond to a statement discussing how good the mob AI is by pointing to a map of mob distribution, and touting it as a "valid reply" is pretty ridiculous.

It's like going to a produce store and trying one of their apples. The apple isn't as ripe and sweet and juicy as the ad you read would lead you to believe, so you tell the owner. The owner becomes indignant and says "How can you say that? Look at all the apples I have!"

Obviously, the response in no way addresses my statement to them.

Though, again, I expect no different from some here by now.

 

But there are tons of PvE in DF. Did just do a three hour PvE session with friends. We ended it when we reached orc land, we did a assault on the noob spawn area.....and forgot the gurd towers. It become quite a mess i must say.

Originally posted by daarco

But there are tons of PvE in DF. Did just do a three hour PvE session with friends. We ended it when we reached orc land, we did a assault on the noob spawn area.....and forgot the gurd towers. It become quite a mess i must say.

Well... Let me put up the white flag right now. You just won the entire thread with that incredibly detailed and breath-taking account of DF's extensive PvE content.

Yes, that was sarcasm.

It's another typically vague response from a DF fan.

What, exactly - in detail - did you do for that 3 hours that you feel constitutes "tons of PvE"?

Was attacking a newb spawn area (hardcore, man. -roll eyes-) and being attacked by guard towers the entirety of it, or the highlight of it?

Didn't read the whole thing cause as usual with DF threads around here, it's full of fail. Anyway, I would recommend this game to anyone who love pvp. We need all those immature ganknuts gathering in one place and out of our 'carebear omg go back to wow' games. PVP seems to attract the immature pricks in the world nomatter what mmo you play and it's nice to see a game target that niche. I just hope they stay there so my gaming time can be a little more enjoyable in the other mmo's I play. There are mature people like Paragus in DF(allthough I only have his word on that so I take that with a good pinch of salt), but they are in the extreme minority and have always been when it comes to hardcore pvp games.

Originally posted by slask777

Didn't read the whole thing cause as usual with DF threads around here, it's full of fail. Anyway, I would recommend this game to anyone who love pvp. We need all those immature ganknuts gathering in one place and out of our 'carebear omg go back to wow' games. PVP seems to attract the immature pricks in the world nomatter what mmo you play and it's nice to see a game target that niche. I just hope they stay there so my gaming time can be a little more enjoyable in the other mmo's I play. There are mature people like Paragus in DF(allthough I only have his word on that so I take that with a good pinch of salt), but they are in the extreme minority and have always been when it comes to hardcore pvp games.

Yep that about sums it up quite nicely...

its just too bad.  This game is one of the closest to UO we've had. So close but so so far far away.