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4/06/09 2:17:44 PM#121
Originally posted by VultureSkull
You can definitely be different compared to other people from you own class. There's 3 different armor sets (swamp armor) one focuses on defense, the other offense, and then the last set is a mix of both. And if that isnt enough you got crafted armor which you can go with a whole variety of stats. And if that isnt enough you got raid armor/weapons, on top of that you add crafting stats to raid armor/weapons. There's a whole bunch of varieties. You can even mix and match em if you wanted. |
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4/06/09 2:25:14 PM#122
Originally posted by boojiboy
Patheon of the Ancients, level cap increases and Alternate Abilities??? ...... Will be the biggest game update to date.
The game will be EQ3 once they add in AA's...Just imagine being able to 1 group raid bosses...A year later you can probably solo em...Pathetic...I played VG because it was "somewhat" different from EQ... SoE has run out of ideas to make a game "immersive." They just copy and paste all that crap from EQ1 and add it into all of their MMO's now days... |
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4/06/09 2:32:26 PM#123
Originally posted by Daffid011
Think about what you just said and then compare it what other mmos have done in their games in the same 2+ year time span. Saying something is the biggest when comparing it to itself hardly dismisses what fatgamer says. Love this game or hate it, the game does not have enough developer resources. For some that is fine, but for many others that just means the game will not grow at a pace that is worthy of a time investment.
5 more levels just means 5 more experience bars to fill. That is not content. Alternate advancement is just more experience bars to fill once you are done filling level experience bars. That is not content. Pantheon of the ancients is content, but how long has that been in the works now? Beyond that the majority of what you see in the game is a handful of zone revamps. How long can the game keep that up before running out of areas to cannibilize?
This game is essentially on life support being operated by a skeleton crew. If there is something to point to the oposite of that it would be refreshing news, but things are what they are.
You're right for a 2+ year game, it deserves much more content then whats going to be added in...But consider this, EQ has expansions added in every 6 months...Thats just too much content too fast...People who raid are just going to be the ones that will keep up, catering to the raiding crowd and not the casuals. I would've expected more updates/content, but if they pace themselves to be like EQ, I'd very much would hate that idea. This will give people time to grow into (with whats going to be added in) The economy will then still be steady, and not be extremely expensive the first time someone get their hands on something and is selling it. |
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4/06/09 2:36:51 PM#124
Originally posted by neonwire
Here is a piece of advice for you to improve the visual look of the game which you might not know about yet. In the chat channel type /setfog 999999 and it removes the pointless fog effect from the game so you can see for miles. Now go into settings and set your view distance to maximum and also set a blur setting (cant remember the name of it now) to about halfway to give a blurred effect to things which are in the distance. Doing this doesnt have any impact on the performance of the game. It all makes a big difference and I really have no idea why SOE even have the stupid fog setting in the game in the first place. They could easily remove it by having the /setfog 999999 thing activate every time a player logs in.
Fog is good in a way, try setfog 250,250,400...I think that should be it I havent played in a long while but thats the settings i used. |
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4/06/09 2:43:09 PM#125
I resubbed to Vg about 6 months ago, and got my wife involved, and to be honest if she had not quit (her slighy older machine had issues running it) i'd still be playing to together as a Paladin (me) and her a shaman, we did pretty much alot of content two person. Some of it was a challange some of it was easy. When we did find a problem we found either the community or the GM's to be helpful in solving the issues (the Gm's would reset part of the zones if bosses or quest mobs were bugged). The game is really enjoyable, it takes time to learn your way about to. The crafting and diplomacy is good fun, espcially if your limited on game play log on get some craft jobs and bang away until you have to go or do some rep gringing with the diplomacy part. Is the game perfect - no - is it improving - yes - is there alot to do - yes - Will it get better oh most definatly. Want to get from A to B without a long horrible run or swim - rent a flying mount this is only 10s, which is nothing in game (the mounts last 5 mins). As a person who does not play but really, really enjoyes this game i would highly recommed you retrying just to get rid of those old VG demons. But the community and the dev/gms in this game are one of the best out there. Or at least they were on the server i played on. Stunted - Seradon Level 30ish Paladin :)
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4/06/09 2:53:19 PM#126
Originally posted by blueturtle13
Actually, ever since SoE took over, they made dungeons worse. For the first 4 months or so I've been dungeon crawling with my brother and we've been to so many in our lower teens to the 30's. Then back when they gave out the free month trial to veterans, I came back to explore the very same dungeons, they SHRUNK the dungeon sizes considerably and changed the loot table. For example, the Conlor Mines, it was massive, there were probably about 3 levels deep in the mountains. Now you got 2 levels with tons of deadends, and they reduced the boss mobs in there to about half. Misthaven mines also was lowered in size, everywhere you go they all lead to a deadend, before SoE touched it you can take a left turn at the entrance and end up coming from the right turn of the entrance. Hilsbury Manor, they still havent even finished the MAIN questline with Lord Talfyn. Thats 2 years ago! hello! I still have the powder needed to summon him and his 3 lovely wives ( I have screenshots of 1 of em and with Talfyn) All the loot from the bosses in the Verdant Lurker headquarters have been deleted, also the quests that you can get at Veskel's exchange (collect so and so armor pieces turn in). I acutally made a living selling off these armor pieces back during the first month of release. I was able to collect ALL the armor sets (plate, chain (melee), chain (healers) and silk. Even the weapons they dropped. But now they've all but dissappeared, although I still have a set of each armor on my toons just for collector's sake. But selling these armors brought in TONS of money, I would go to Qalia or Kojan and make double the price I was selling in Thestra (because it dropped here) For better or worse SoE shoulda left the world the way it was. They can change everything else, but for god's sake leave the dungeons alone!
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4/06/09 3:06:39 PM#127
Originally posted by Xiaoki The point is to go somewhere else if one dungeon is too crowded, its so that you can acutally see different "cool" places other than just being stuck with 1 dungeon for 10 or so levels. Why go to dungeon with tons of people camping all the spots, when you can have a whole dungeon with 3 people or a full group and get all the rewards for yourselves? People loved heading over to Trengal keep at low to high 20's...I skipped it all together and grinded at Wardship of the sleeping moon, started my faction early got all my armor pieces ready for turn ins. By the time I reach level 32 I had my full set, while people in their low to late 30's were still doing faction grinding and armor farming. |
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4/06/09 3:07:16 PM#128
Originally posted by Castekin1000
swede2 I am curios could you please tell me the specs of your PC when you bought Vanguard? My PC specs When I got Vanguard were- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 / 2.4 GHz processor Now I know by today's standards that not to good, but back when Vanguard was released it was a pretty good machine. Yet in dungeons like Achlatan Spider Caves I was dropping down to 1-10 FPS when it got busy.
That machine configuration shouldn't be running at 1-10 fps... Maybe you should run a clean boot using msconfig to turn off all startup programs to see if something is sucking your cpu/memory.
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4/07/09 6:37:24 AM#129
Ya lets compare it to other games, How about a game thats 4 years old , has 11.000,000 subs and has been making how much money a month for 4 years.To bad its also a game you can start a character in and be farming the top level dungeons in a matter of weeks. If your going to discount fluff than no game on the market can supply content fast enough for hardcore players. |
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Betaguy
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Joined: 12/31/04
The king and the pawn go back to the same box at the end of the day. |
4/07/09 6:40:32 AM#130
This game is most definently not the worst piece of crap but it is in a close second. ------------------------------------------ |
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4/07/09 9:24:56 AM#131
Originally posted by swede2
When you start off a response filled with assumptions like this it is hard to take anything you say as serious. It took me 9 months to reach level 60 on my first character in warcraft, because I was enjoying the game. You have no idea how I play games, so don't villify me with your assumptions just so that you can try to look better than everyone else.
The way you describe your avoidance of the games bugs sounds like you just avoided most of the game (not that there is anything wrong with crafting).
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4/07/09 12:32:14 PM#132
Originally posted by swede2
You see, if you're one of the guys that wants to be the first everything then you should choose a different game that has more devs to dish out all the content you want. Vanguard doesnt have the people to do it and being that it has a small amount of subs compared to other games, content shouldnt have to be added in too quick. You see we casual players like to do EVERYTHING, not just focus on the level grind. If raid content is all you want, you might wanna check out EQ 1 with its 10+ or so expansions. |
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4/08/09 9:54:25 AM#133
Wait a sec you singled me out here by name first daffid and tryed to imply am lying about vanguard. I tryed to tell you it was play style and you blow a nut and accuse me trying to villify you. I didnt avoid anything , I just played the game the way I wanted. You got a problem with that. Would you like me more if i listed every crafting bug and whined and whined on every forum about it for 2 years. Lets face it where different types of players. |
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4/08/09 10:36:55 AM#134
Since you opened up on someone with both barrels about the problems of the game being their fault, I didn't exactly single you out. You sort of stepped into the discussion all by yourself. I just though it was worth pointing out that you are almost unique in your experience with this game running perfectly while almost the entire rest of the gaming world that played vanguard at release suffered massive performance issues and a great deal of bugs. You feel that I am calling you a liar (which I'm not), but have you ever considered how your words sound when you dsmiss everyone elses experience with the game and blame their computers or heaven forbid their playstyle as the reason for the problems? Even the developers don't share your view of how the game performed.
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4/08/09 12:04:42 PM#135
Originally posted by Daffid011
I don't think any game anywhere run perfectly. At least I can't think of any game that ever ran perfectly for me. Even wow gave me greef for weeks with lag opening bags and crap and zones basically hanging and I'd say wow has probably the best quality of any game on the market. The issue is are the bugs bad enough that A. they make it so the game is fundamentally broken, ie you can't progress at all, or money dups, you can't group, or other major bugs. or B. The bugs are invasive to your game style so you find them irritating enough that it isn't fun to play. At release I'd say VG was in the first catagory with huge game breaking bugs. Yeah you could work around them and you could persist but they were really game breaking. Today it is more subjective and falls into the second catagory. There are still bugs and more then games like eq2 or wow but they are far from the original issues. You will have a quest broken from time to time, or maybe find some world issue where you can fall through the world, or maybe you will find a graphical error. But VG is also probably one of the largest most complex games out. With the small team they have they have done an amazing job. So anyway like all games it has bugs and for some people that will make the game not fun for them. For other people those bugs won't matter at all. You guys talk in absolutes but it isn't this is highly subjective. What is a fact is that VG has far fewer bugs then it did at release and it has no what I'd consider game breaking bugs at this time. So I think what is really being said is that "I like the game and am not bothered by the bugs", Where "You don't like the game because you are being unrealistic and not tollerating the bugs to enjoy the game". I guess one mans trash is another mans treasure. You won't convince each other one way or the other. Personally I think VG is a very good game today, and as the original poster says definitely worth another look.
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4/08/09 1:56:07 PM#136
Thanks for the reply ethion. I agree with almost everything you say, with the exception of your conclusions about me. =P
Perhaps I am being misleading or you are misunderstanding what I was discussing above. It was not my point that vanguard today is a buggy mess that is was in the past. Sure it has issues, but personally I never had any game stoppers even when I played it near release. In fact my experience was closer to that of swedes than those who had terrible performance experiences. You conclusion of me being unrealistic about the bugs is very far from the truth. The performance and bugs were never a game breaking issue for me. Nor do I not like this game. In fact I think it has a lot of great qualities and has improved very much since release. There are a lot of issues that combined together keep me from playing right now, but for some strange reason I keep hoping things will turn out for the better. I really think vanguard has more potential than just about any game on the market right now.
My point to swede was (and sorry if this wasn't crystal clear). That just because our experiences were not plagued by horror stories that others have experienced, that does not mean that anyone having problems with the game are doing so as a result of their own failures let alone the tone he tends to do it in. People were taking this same type of attitude back during release as if the game engine in immune to having problems.
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4/08/09 2:54:57 PM#137
Compartively speaking, in terms of bugs and performance. We have current EvE players that say Vanguard and EvE are on par for bugs. They thought it was pretty interesting when they joined Vanguard to see all the hand-wringing about bugs, but having played both their opinion is that the games are similar. As far as performance, they say EvE has better overall performance as it has lower requirements. We also have a number of folks that play both EQ2 and Vanguard. They say EQ2 clearly has less bugs, but VG performs better on newer machines. This was also my experience with EQ2. |
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4/08/09 6:34:17 PM#138
Originally posted by Daffid011
I wasn't poking at you directly but rather the general banter you typically see in the thread like this where there are big arguments about how buggy something is. Some people see a graphic glitch and it is a game breaker others see it and hardly notice it. So I say it isn't a big deal you say it is, doesn't one of us is right and the other is wrong. It just means that I'm more tolerant of issues and you are less. In the same tone it isn't anyones failures but rather their tastes. We all play to have fun and all have to make judgements on the quality before deciding the game isn't any good. That said VG isn't horribly broken at this time but that is still a perception from the aweful launch. I think it is good to encourage people to give it a try since the game has improved a lot and has a lot of great features. Many people hearing the horror of it's release would no doubt want to avoid it, but the reality is the game is very playable now. Of course all MMOs have bugs and issues from time to time. This is where giving it a try with the trial is a good idea. A lot of people would find that the game play in vg today is quite enjoyable.
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4/08/09 6:39:32 PM#139
Originally posted by boojiboy
I'd say eq2 is very polished and bug free. Curiously around 9 months ago when I started playing eq2 after play vg eq2 performance for me was a significant downgrade. On extreme settings eq2 in certain areas was virtually unplayable. Even worse when I put it on extreme it crashed a lot. Today however they have fixed those issues in eq2 and it is very stable. I might get a crash once every couple weeks or maybe 60-80 hours of play time. Anyway today I can play eq2 on extreme settings and I can also play vg on similar settings. Performance is still a bit better in VG but VG still gives me some hitching in a new area initially where eq2 never hitches. But general fps for both games on extreme settings vg will perform best. I played eve 1-2 years ago. I don't recall any bugs.
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4/09/09 8:14:07 AM#140
The game is 2 years old he said he couldnt run it on his low to mid range computer, well my computer today is a mid range computer. Ya it wasnt when I bought it but it sure is now. |
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