unfortunetly the major EU countries aren't backing the czech president.

from the article:

"Shocked by the outburst, other European politicians went into damage control mode, with some reproaching the Czech leader for his language and others reaffirming their good diplomatic ties with the United States. The leaders of EU's major nations — France, Britain and Germany, among others — largely ignored Topolanek and his remarks."

All of these countries giving GOOD money to BAD banks is the worst "economic" plan I ever seen in my LIFE.

It is causing a world-wide depression, regardless if the DOW is up 10 points or down 5.

This is the most serious politic-economic-social-financial disaster in the past 100 years.

Originally posted by Elikal

Boy, you dont the HECK know whatcha talking about. I grew up in a socialist country. You have NO IDEA what socialism means. The truth we realized now is, that it isnt capitalism that is theatened, it is capitalism that's the threat!

You have been fed with so much misinformation, it sickens me. As if there was only dark age communism or total free market and no in between. I thought we stopped thinking in such extremes some time ago? Fact is that total free market is just as bad as total control of the government; there must be some form of balance, and after some sorts of speculative money making put the traditional capitalism at risk, it is a logical thing to make some controls. Freedoms ends where actions endanger the entire system itself! After all, a democratic goverment is for the common good, not the particular good of 2% stock brokers and high risk traders.

So readjustments are the logical consequence of the system failure. I dont see why there is such a fuzz over simple, logical reactions and necessities.

Let's revisit a video of Milton Friedman posted by Frodus a few days ago on another thread.  Mr. Friedman, the 1976 Nobel Prize winner in Economics, knows a thing or two about market systems.  I don't know as much as Uncle Milt, but I do know that free markets create wealth and goverment consumes it.

Originally posted by tvalentine

unfortunetly the major EU countries aren't backing the czech president.

from the article:

"Shocked by the outburst, other European politicians went into damage control mode, with some reproaching the Czech leader for his language and others reaffirming their good diplomatic ties with the United States. The leaders of EU's major nations — France, Britain and Germany, among others — largely ignored Topolanek and his remarks."

By unfortunately, you mean fortunately I take it.  I'm sure most of these politicians are socialists themselves and are, therefore, in favor of America's big ticket spending.  That doesn't make them right.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 

Tell me about it.....o wait.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/2049487/Barack-Obama-wins-over-anti-Bush-Britain-US-election-2008.html

 

So they liked the anti war candidate in 2008

 

Big deal.

he isn't even anti war

and obama poll numbers are dropping like a rock no one in america wants him in power anymore outside the sick libs and dems

Originally posted by stillkillin

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Sabiancym

 

Tell me about it.....o wait.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/2049487/Barack-Obama-wins-over-anti-Bush-Britain-US-election-2008.html

 

So they liked the anti war candidate in 2008

 

Big deal.

 

he isn't even anti war

and obama poll numbers are dropping like a rock no one in america wants him in power anymore outside the sick libs and dems

Sounds like an opportune time for a new False Flag event...  Rally them back to the flag! MUAHAHAHA!!!!

Originally posted by frodus

I find hard to believe that your in the minority over their ! could be wrong tho.Could you confirm something for me.Are they using infer-red at night to see who is wasting heat over there.Just heard a rumor! was wondering if it was true or not.

  They use infrared to look for people growing Marijuana with hydroponics.

Originally posted by Vendayn

We need to event a new government

 

I'll call it

 

United Humans

 

Its where all the countries go into this government called United Humans. 

I could go into long detail about what it is...but hopefully the name says a 1000 words, so to speak

Interesting idea.....  so when representives from Russia and Zimbawa team up and seize a small control and begin to regulate reforms for there regions that directly and negitivly effect your region you'll still be cool with this?

Originally posted by Elikal

Boy, you dont the HECK know whatcha talking about. I grew up in a socialist country. You have NO IDEA what socialism means. The truth we realized now is, that it isnt capitalism that is theatened, it is capitalism that's the threat!

You have been fed with so much misinformation, it sickens me. As if there was only dark age communism or total free market and no in between. I thought we stopped thinking in such extremes some time ago? Fact is that total free market is just as bad as total control of the government; there must be some form of balance, and after some sorts of speculative money making put the traditional capitalism at risk, it is a logical thing to make some controls. Freedoms ends where actions endanger the entire system itself! After all, a democratic goverment is for the common good, not the particular good of 2% stock brokers and high risk traders.

So readjustments are the logical consequence of the system failure. I dont see why there is such a fuzz over simple, logical reactions and necessities.

Most Americans agree that socialism is an awesome idea.

We just are a little wary of giving complete control of government,  money AND the worlds strongest military all to the same people. (our generation or 6 generations ahead of us)

Keep them seperate and hope for the best.

** I mean it just smells like a bad recipe.  Somthing you dont want in the oven.

***The last serious liberal president we had forced the American people against their will to go to some boondock Asian country for crying out load.  All in the name of their version of democracy,  why only the unbathed and drug induced "Peace, love and chicken grease" crowd seen this as a MAJOR problem just escapes me.

Originally posted by Elikal

Boy, you dont the HECK know whatcha talking about. I grew up in a socialist country. You have NO IDEA what socialism means. The truth we realized now is, that it isnt capitalism that is theatened, it is capitalism that's the threat!

You have been fed with so much misinformation, it sickens me. As if there was only dark age communism or total free market and no in between. I thought we stopped thinking in such extremes some time ago? Fact is that total free market is just as bad as total control of the government; there must be some form of balance, and after some sorts of speculative money making put the traditional capitalism at risk, it is a logical thing to make some controls. Freedoms ends where actions endanger the entire system itself! After all, a democratic goverment is for the common good, not the particular good of 2% stock brokers and high risk traders.

So readjustments are the logical consequence of the system failure. I dont see why there is such a fuzz over simple, logical reactions and necessities.

Because they keep suggesting the same self serving re-adjustments that just made it so much worse last tim, and the time before that and we as a people cannot afford it to get any worse anymore. It has become a crisis.
 

What put capitalism at risk is government over regulation. Enforced lending to high risk borrowers. The promotion of borrowing and debt led consumer booms to get the nation out of successive downturns, until there was nothing left to lend and the downtown could be delayed no more.

The government in my country replaced an existing succesful regulator with a new body of state regultors, who guess what?

Didn't have clue about regulating because they were all political appointee's not ex banking staff and "high risk traders and stock brokers" and they were under the direction of the headline seeking state not the money seeking Bank of England. The last thing we need is more governmental regulation. Give me back the high risk traders and stock brokers please,  BCCI and Bearings Bank pales in comparison to the level and quantitiy of financial disasters we have now.

A democratic government is not for the common good, it is primarily for the good of the government. It is a self serving instrument.

The first responsability of any democratic party is to get into power.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by tvalentine

unfortunetly the major EU countries aren't backing the czech president.

from the article:

"Shocked by the outburst, other European politicians went into damage control mode, with some reproaching the Czech leader for his language and others reaffirming their good diplomatic ties with the United States. The leaders of EU's major nations — France, Britain and Germany, among others — largely ignored Topolanek and his remarks."

 

By unfortunately, you mean fortunately I take it.  I'm sure most of these politicians are socialists themselves and are, therefore, in favor of America's big ticket spending.  That doesn't make them right.

All right wingers are largely ignored in Europe. The far right is quite often outlawed completely.
 

France, Britain and Germany are all large enough to ignore everyone all the time and do. 

The EU is set up to be a direct counter to the U.S.

Close alliance with the U.S. by it's members is almost seen as treachery. The cowds all boo and hiss at any such suggestion that U.S. co-operation/integration is more important to you than theirs.

Originally posted by baff

All right wingers are largely ignored in Europe. The far right is quite often outlawed completely.
 

France, Britain and Germany are all large enough to ignore everyone all the time and do. 

 

The EU is set up to be a direct counter to the U.S.

Close alliance with the U.S. by it's members is almost seen as treachery. The cowds all boo and hiss at any such suggestion that U.S. co-operation/integration is more important to you than theirs.

As it should,  when founded the US basic foriegn policy was to not take sides out of non-US affairs.  Most of the military (all of the Navy and a very large amount of the Amry) was disbanded in hopes of being far enough away to being left the hell alone. 

The Quasi War proved that fantasy (though nice) wasn't going to work well with France getting upset because we refused to pay their king after they beheaded him.  Navy was reborn and watery warfare ensued.  The other choice was a war with Britain.....  which happened again anyways....  and grew us a little more....  a number of other conflicts and then the civil war.  Each one reinforcing the idea of having a stronger federal military rather than a group of armed concerned citizens only willing to go to extremes when things where personal.

The invention of the nuclear bomb has pretty much caused what was left of the philosophy to disappear.

All the founding fathers of the US warned against making enemies just as much as allies.  Not that we (Europeans decendants mostly) shouldn't wish well, be feelingless or even turn a cold shoulder for the plight of the place of our ancestories,  just that it isn't our problem we left/ got kicked out after all.

It isn't 1800 anymore. This letter did not take 3 months to get to you. You aren't "far away" at all.
 

It is your problem when a block of nations as powerful as Europe is trying to take over from you economically and militarily.

You make a lot of extra money by having the Dollar as the reserve currency of the world. You have control over the entire worlds life savings.

You make a lot of money by being the largest trade block in the world.

You don't want your military actions in the Middle East or the Caribeean or South America or the Pacific directly blocked or impinged by proxy. There are resources there much loved by the U.S. citizens. Highly profitable trade routes and markets too.

Your national foreign policy is far easier to pursue when you are the military leader. The worlds only super power.

If you sit back and do nothing, the status quo won't just "stay the same". Someone with more will than you is going to take away from you many of things you have worked hard to get.

It's not in Czechs intrests or my countries intrests to see that happen. If you don't give a shit, then we might as well just join right in with the EU and get as much as we can out of your downfall, I guess.

Originally posted by Pyrich

Originally posted by Elikal

Boy, you dont the HECK know whatcha talking about. I grew up in a socialist country. You have NO IDEA what socialism means. The truth we realized now is, that it isnt capitalism that is theatened, it is capitalism that's the threat!

You have been fed with so much misinformation, it sickens me. As if there was only dark age communism or total free market and no in between. I thought we stopped thinking in such extremes some time ago? Fact is that total free market is just as bad as total control of the government; there must be some form of balance, and after some sorts of speculative money making put the traditional capitalism at risk, it is a logical thing to make some controls. Freedoms ends where actions endanger the entire system itself! After all, a democratic goverment is for the common good, not the particular good of 2% stock brokers and high risk traders.

So readjustments are the logical consequence of the system failure. I dont see why there is such a fuzz over simple, logical reactions and necessities.

 

Most Americans agree that socialism is an awesome idea.

 

We just are a little wary of giving complete control of government,  money AND the worlds strongest military all to the same people. (our generation or 6 generations ahead of us)

 

Keep them seperate and hope for the best.

 

 

 

** I mean it just smells like a bad recipe.  Somthing you dont want in the oven.

 

***The last serious liberal president we had forced the American people against their will to go to some boondock Asian country for crying out load.  All in the name of their version of democracy,  why only the unbathed and drug induced "Peace, love and chicken grease" crowd seen this as a MAJOR problem just escapes me.

You know, thats the root of all the common misconception that is so widespread in USA. This fear of giving "the government" too much power. You still have that political reflex of the era of George Washington. Back then all governments were Monarchies and his suspicioun was well founded. This "on noes socialism comes" is such a ridiculous fetish in America ever since the commie-hunt days.

Sure you can listen to the well paid stock experts and economy professors. But maybe you look on whose payrolls they are. Sure they get Nobel Prices... but OTHER well paid "experts". They speak for the interests of the 2% richest! Of course they want total freedom of the government - total freedom to answer the people! But is that democratic? No. They want to be free to answer YOU. They want to rip you of, use you as source for their riches and leave you with minimal rights and influence. Sure, they give you a job when it suits them. One that pays more and more Americans SO little that they have to have 3 jobs and STILL must sleep in their cars. Maybe you start to look at whats going on in your wonderful country. Millions of homeless, millions of undernourished, millions of people who are poor EVEN THO they have a job, many who loose their homes, their houses, their savings, and the topdogs even take bonuses! The USA education system, health care, social welfare is the worst in ALL of the west. Heck, in Germany even in the 1880ies under an Emperor we had better social welfare than you have today. I really dont hate USA, but heck your system is casino capitalism! It means putting humans into an arena of "wolf eats wolf"- reality. They talked you into that, and it serves only those 2%. It doesnt serve you.

But you live in a democracy! Its the government OF the people BY the people FOR the people, not some alien power coming from Mars, heck! It is YOU to whom you give power - or not! The people must have the final say over everything! The government of the people must regulate everything; there can be no "private" thing that is only one self's matter, because all decisions have results, and usually they effect the common good. In a real democracy where REALLY the will of the people and the good of the people is executed, the only thing that is "private" is sleep!

I know you value your so called "freedoms", but you can never be free of the results of your actions, and thus unconditional freedom exists only in anarchy of endless crime-wars, not in a just and secure society, where the government of the people saves the majority from the greed and treachery of a few. I am afraid America will have to learn this the hard way one day not too far now.

On a higher level, it is funny to see that now things come back to America what they did to others. And even though it is in a mild form. Heck, didnt you plaster every European city with your trashy fast food chains, with sugar-filled Cola, with soldiers and imported all the wonderous American good? I know SO many people and companies where American locusts (aka investors) took over so many European companies just to fire everyone and be rid of the competition. For decades USA even implemented its own governments where it suited them! Maybe you ask the family of Mr. Aliende in Chile what they feel about USA. America acted as if they owned the planet, aggressively invading foreign cultures, politics and economy for decades. USA always wanted other nations to open their markets for their trash products and US themselves closed and protected their own market with tax funds and laws to foreign nations. They preach water and drink wine. You only were for open market when you benefitted; when it damaged US interets USA NEVER practices open trade themselves. And now, finally, the tide of economy has turned. And what you did to the economy of others for decades fires back to you.

You can call it what you want. I call it JUSTICE. You finally get what you sowed, what you did to other nations so long. And when finally your nation belongs to France, UK, Japan and China maybe you are lucky and those cultured nations teach you something about a better government, because you could learn a lot from them. (I say that being neither of them.)

Originally posted by Pyrich

Most Americans agree that socialism is an awesome idea.

Source?

Europeans are finally realizing the negative effects of socialism.  I hope Obama takes note.

Obama has spent almost 3.5 trillion dollars in less then a month for his grand society.

Just today he decided to use the government to decide the affairs of a private company.

His goal is as obvious as Chavez's was..He will use the institutes of this nation to destroy the foundations of this nation.

He needs to be removed from power asap. I'd rather have 3.6 years of Biden then another month of this joke.

Originally posted by xxvicexx

Obama has spent almost 3.5 trillion dollars in less then a month for his grand society.

Just today he decided to use the government to decide the affairs of a private company.

His goal is as obvious as Chavez's was..He will use the institutes of this nation to destroy the foundations of this nation.

 

He needs to be removed from power asap. I'd rather have 3.6 years of Biden then another month of this joke.

Yeah, I could be wrong, but I think President Obama just crossed a line that has never been crossed before in American History.  A sitting President of the United States forcing out the CEO of a major US corporation.  He's essentially appointed a puppet CEO to run GM, making Obama the de facto CEO of the car company.

Very Chavez-esque and very scary.