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  Stradden

Managing Editor

Joined: 7/08/05
Posts: 6729

 
3/23/09 8:13:08 AM#1

Some time ago, our own Carolyn Koh attended Bigfoot Networks' Lag Boot Camp. Today, she files her report.

Bigfoot's mission was to educate us about lag. A term all MMO gamers are familiar with. That's the term we use to describe the frustrating anomalies in the online games we play that are usually blamed on internet latency. The rubber-bending of mobs, the game freezing, the stuttering of our screens. The time that elapses between when we type in some text and when it shows on our screen. The slight pause in our game when someone speaks over ventrilo or one of the other voice chat programs we use and the dreaded link-death, when we actually lose connection with the server long enough to be kicked out of the game. All those symptoms are what we simply call lag.

Read Bigfoot Lag Boot Camp Report

Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com

  Lobotomist

Elite Member

Joined: 5/20/07
Posts: 3842

I got so much
trouble on my mind
Refuse to lose.

3/23/09 9:25:54 AM#2

Problem is that today kids call everything lag.

So when someone complains in general chat : "I have lag" ... it can be anything

Back in the times: LAG = Network Latency ( high ping )

 

The term is now destroyed. It should be scraped completely

  mlauzon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 772

3/23/09 9:32:22 AM#3

MMORPG.com links to a story it wrote on the KillerNIC, however we all know how that turned out...a big fat fail!

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Michael

  boinged

Novice Member

Joined: 8/18/04
Posts: 160

3/23/09 9:53:31 AM#4

Did it though? I thought the jury was still out on this?

Quite a few sites have now reviewed this card so what's the final outcome?

  Damitman

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Joined: 4/19/06
Posts: 23

“They must find it difficult
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

3/23/09 9:53:44 AM#5

 

LagMeter may be found here.

Page not found

Sorry, it seems you were trying to access a page that doesn't exist.

Please check the spelling of the URL you were trying to access and try again.

“They must find it difficult . . .
Those who have taken authority as the truth,
Rather then truth as the authority.”
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
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  mlauzon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 772

3/23/09 1:26:51 PM#6


Originally posted by boinged
Did it though? I thought the jury was still out on this?
Quite a few sites have now reviewed this card so what's the final outcome?

The only one that was every really reviewed was the original...all the sites that I've found through Google are not doing a 'review' but more of a product announcement.


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Michael

  grunty

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Joined: 4/06/04
Posts: 5718

3/23/09 2:09:50 PM#7

Any attempt I made to download their 'lagmeter' failed in both Firefox and Internet Explorer.  In order to do this you have to supply an email address.  The download link goes directly to Bigfoot Networks, the KillerNIC company's website. Each attempt I made stated the page didn't exist.  There is no mention of a 'lagmeter' anywhere on Bigfoot Networks website. At this time it looks more like a company fishing for email addresses.

The most recent review,dated January 2009, of the KillerNIC is here.  Essentially it says you /might/ see a 5% improvement in 'lag' if you stay out of busy areas in your mmorpg and have a marginal computer. This minor improvement is worth a score of 8.8 out of 10.  Here's the summary paragraph of that 'review'.

"All in all, the Killer NIC is a must have if you’re going to build a high-end gaming rig. As far as simply adding it to boost performance, you might be better served with a faster video card or CPU, as the Killer NIC on an old Pentium 4 was no match for a high end Intel Core 2 Duo for raw frame rate. (emphasis added-grunty) Still, it did beat out the newer computer on ping times in some games, so it might be a worthwhile investment if slashing a few milliseconds off your ping time is what you need to get the most out of your game! Not to mention it looks great, with its stylized K heatsink. Make sure you put this in a computer with a view!

Score: 8.8 (out of 10)"

  Isturi

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/03/09
Posts: 699

Come on Kiba daddy got a nice juicy steak for you...

3/23/09 2:20:35 PM#8

LAG or lack of LAT was public enemy number one for me. I solved my issues with a simple program I found, I hope it works for you as well as it worked for me.

http://download.cnet.com/SG-TCP-Optimizer/3000-2155_4-10415840.html?tag=mncol

  Sylvene

Staff Writer

Joined: 1/04/06
Posts: 202

Old Auntie Gamer

3/23/09 6:03:01 PM#9

I'm checking on the LagMeter download with Bigfoot.  It worked when I filed the report in February.

Cheers

Notice: The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com or its management.

  Hashbrick

Novice Member

Joined: 4/12/05
Posts: 1240

Only jackasses label their PC specs in their sig.

3/23/09 6:55:05 PM#10

The problem is, is people think this "magical" card is just going to obliterate lag which as someone stated is wildly thrown out of context and is no general definition anymore. At any rate as the technology is now the performance is minimal and barely noticeable. You want better performance get a better ISP nuff said.


Originally posted by imbant

Did we say we were trying to do good for the game? the game is in the hands of aventurine, no one else...

  mlauzon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 772

3/23/09 7:05:29 PM#11


Originally posted by grunty
The most recent review,dated January 2009, of the KillerNIC is here.  Essentially it says you might see a 5% improvement in 'lag' if you stay out of busy areas in your mmorpg and have a marginal computer. This minor improvement is worth a score of 8.8 out of 10.  Here's the summary paragraph of that 'review'.
"All in all, the Killer NIC is a must have if you’re going to build a high-end gaming rig. As far as simply adding it to boost performance, you might be better served with a faster video card or CPU, as the Killer NIC on an old Pentium 4 was no match for a high end Intel Core 2 Duo for raw frame rate. (emphasis added-grunty) Still, it did beat out the newer computer on ping times in some games, so it might be a worthwhile investment if slashing a few milliseconds off your ping time is what you need to get the most out of your game! Not to mention it looks great, with its stylized K heatsink. Make sure you put this in a computer with a view!
Score: 8.8 (out of 10)"


Again, that review is for the original KillerNIC (PCI version), not their new XENO Pro or Ultra both of which are PCIe....

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Michael

  DAOWAce

Novice Member

Joined: 10/12/03
Posts: 18

I tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter.

3/23/09 7:47:46 PM#12
Originally posted by Lobotomist

Problem is that today kids call everything lag.

So when someone complains in general chat : "I have lag" ... it can be anything

Back in the times: LAG = Network Latency ( high ping )

 

The term is now destroyed. It should be scraped completely

 

It overjoys me to see other people with the same mentality as me.

I cannot stand what the term has come to and I actively try to defend what 'lag' used to mean.  Usually it just ends up with me being attacked by complete ignorance.  I've turned to trying to say 'latency' instead of 'lag', but it's harder than it would seem.

Being a PC tech and trying to troubleshoot someone's 'lag' in today's world is just.. ugh.

DAOWAce Xfire Miniprofile
  Salvatoris

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/13/06
Posts: 1372

3/23/09 8:50:09 PM#13

As a network engineer, I can't believe these guys are still in business.  This card is unnecessary and overpriced.   You can get a decent gigabit NIC for a fraction of the cost and I guarantee you will not be able to see the difference.   If your system is so low on resources that the NIC can't do it's job, you could better spend your hard earned cash on a RAM upgrade. 

Most people have a NIC that can handle 10x the throughput of their internet connection... and even if you were to waste your money and buy this overpriced card, are you going to be able to talk your ISP in to upgrading all their network equipment too?  We are talking about a couple of milliseconds response time here, and even that is being generous IM-professional-O. :)

I guess the market for their cards is people with more money than brains.

  Kordesh

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 1731

3/24/09 2:13:43 AM#14

 


All Alienware PCs now ship with a KillerNIC installed, and it is an option available on their Dell brand as well.

 

Gee, no shocker there. Alienware (and subsequently Dell now due to their partnership) have always been into selling horrifically overpriced crap. Their like luxury cars of the PC world, shiny, expensive, and complete shite. If you're stupid enough to pay $100 for a NIC card though, I guess you deserve no better.

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EAT ME MMORPG.com!

  tofke

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/26/07
Posts: 123

Sometimes I wish I was a balloon!

3/24/09 3:53:21 AM#15
Originally posted by Lobotomist

Problem is that today kids call everything lag.

So when someone complains in general chat : "I have lag" ... it can be anything

Back in the times: LAG = Network Latency ( high ping )

 

The term is now destroyed. It should be scraped completely

 

Yup one of my highest annoyances in game lately. Heck even fps drops they call lag now.

  mlauzon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 772

3/24/09 4:28:20 AM#16


Originally posted by Kordesh
 


All Alienware PCs now ship with a KillerNIC installed, and it is an option available on their Dell brand as well.


 
Gee, no shocker there. Alienware (and subsequently Dell now due to their partnership) have always been into selling horrifically overpriced crap. Their like luxury cars of the PC world, shiny, expensive, and complete shite. If you're stupid enough to pay $100 for a NIC card though, I guess you deserve no better.


You cannot just say that about Alienware/Dell, look at all the enthusiast-level computer companies, they are also well overpriced.

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Michael

  mlauzon

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/21/05
Posts: 772

3/24/09 4:32:22 AM#17


Originally posted by tofke

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Problem is that today kids call everything lag.
So when someone complains in general chat : "I have lag" ... it can be anything
Back in the times: LAG = Network Latency ( high ping )
 
The term is now destroyed. It should be scraped completely



 
Heck even fps drops they call lag now.

You want a weird one, 2 years ago I was playing Rappelz on a Media Centre PC, it had the specs for some games, however to make the game run better I turned all the settings to minimum and started getting major framerate drops, etc. I turned all the settings back to medium and/or high and the game played smoothly.

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Michael

  Gazzooks

Novice Member

Joined: 5/14/07
Posts: 5

3/24/09 5:00:55 AM#18

Rubber Band effect

  cerebrix

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/03/04
Posts: 550

3/24/09 8:42:39 AM#19

as skeptical as i can be about things like this.  especially considering my professional history in the tech industry.  my ears did perk up and take notice after reading this article at hardocp.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIzOSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

 

kyle has one of the best bs meters ive seen in the industry.  the guys known for calling people out when they let their mouths get ahead of their products.

theres something to their product.  if there wasnt.  kyle would have said so.

Games i'm playing right now...

"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com

  Ex0dUs101

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/17/06
Posts: 228

3/24/09 8:57:34 AM#20

Its a joke, it always has been. Any reasonable network card handles functions in the same way, theres network standards for a reason, theres only so much you can deviate.

The Killer NIC is an overpriced piece of rubbish, anyone buying one is a fool.

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