Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Xennith

eve is the only game that lets you pvp from day 1. other games you need to grind to max level first, with eve you just need a warp scrambler.

 

 

That is just really untrue.  Lots of games let you get started in PvP right away, or within a few hours of creating your account.  WAR is one example.  You can be involved in meaningful group PvP within 15 minutes of creating your character.  Not only are you involved in RvR, but you are are combat effective.

People like to say that size isn't all that matters in Eve, but how many vets are doing PvP in a frigate?  Even if you did want to do PvP in a frigate, you still have to train all the equipment and weapon usage skills to be even a little bit useful.  Sure you could do PvP from day one, but you'll be dead and flat broke pretty quick.

I want to enjoy this game... I just can't find anything compelling to do while I wait for days on end to be able to pilot a cruiser.  I'm not complaining about the fact that I have to start with a frigate and work my way up.. I'm just wondering what I can do that is fun while I am limited to a small ship and junk gear.

In Warhammer can you contribute to Guild vs Guild PVP (open RvR)? No you cannot. This is what that poster means. Sure, you can do the Level 1-10 scenarios and contribute on a RvR level but one has to question what meaning this has. It's not like you'd ever lose the newbie zone in that title

You cannot make a meaningful contribution as a newbie in that title. In EVE, you CAN and the landscape dynamically changes. You can/will lose your space.

When I was a newbie I moved right out to 0.0. If I could do it, so can you guys. Look for a corp that will utilize you as a Tackler, recon, etc. A bunch of newbie frigs can takedown a Battleship. Battleships are what people use to rat (make ISK in 0.0), etc. There you go right there. Hell, go pick on a miner. Pick on someone flying in a shuttle. Demand a ransom.

Pick on the haulers.

I dont understand EVE is full of victims. There are targets of opportunity all over 0.0. Look for a Corp that will take you in and show ya the ropes

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
People like to say that size isn't all that matters in Eve, but how many vets are doing PvP in a frigate?

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Interceptor is a frigate size ship and it is a number one on all killboards. It is the most popular, most participating and most usefull PVP ship in game.
T1 frig? Great fun. Even vets fly them in FW. 

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Originally posted by Salvatoris
I just can't find anything compelling to do while I wait for days on end to be able to pilot a cruiser. I'm just wondering what I can do that is fun while I am limited to a small ship and junk gear.

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You have to forget about the size and such, think of ships as different instruments. Some ships perform better in given task - ie. frigates are very agile and can slip through many camps, escape from hunters, they can be easily underestimated, they are cheap. Think about the pros and take the full advantage of them.

EVE is not a leveling game.

Frigates are not lvl 1 ships

Battleships are not lvl 60 ships

Dreadnoughts are not lvl 80 ships

All of them are just different tools, each suited for different task - like when you use a spoon for eating soup rather than a fork or knife, even though fork looks more badass than a spoon and a knife looks more badass than both spoon and fork together.

i just want to comment the thread title

I've tried to give this game another chance...

m8 eve dont need YOU, dont need a favour from a player like YOU and dont need your mercy to give eve a chance

i dont know how to explain this but you get a bad mindset, eve is not a loser game dont need a second chance YOU dont meet the eve sandbox standard you need a second chance

look mate, you're just showing yourself to be pretty clueless and whiny. loads of vets pvp in frigs, either in tech1 trashcan wolfpacks or tech2 stuff in fleets. as pointed out above, ceptors are fantastic frigates and the rifter is a great many pirates ship of choice.

i think you should quit eve, its obviously not for you. good luck.

I see a simple solution to the op's problem and alot of other unhappy folks and that would be to have a strictly pve server and then sprinkle it with worm holes to Tranquility server. The load on the only server would be brought down and the folks who did not enjoy pvping could be happy bakeing there bread and compareing there dresses. Problem solved. CCP would also get more subscriptions.

For the most part if you are a person that likes fair fights, does not like stabbing people in the back, fails to see the point in saying how big their e-penis is without actually proving it, run when faced with something equal to you, do not like to whine about how someone got the jump on your pirate ship or you would have won the fight...let me see what other whining does the typical pvp ganker in Eve do...that might just cover it.

Well if you do not like that stuff then a lot of Eve is not for you.

PvE is a bigger part of Eve than PvP.  Without the miners and the industry peeps the game would have ground to dust long ago.  Real PvP is rather far and few.  Ganking is rampant.  It is just funny when you get your PvP ship out the pirates all run away. 

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Originally posted by Horusra
Without the miners and the industry peeps the game would have ground to dust long ago.

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Fixed for you:
Without the PVPers, miners and the industry peeps would have ground to dust long ago.

Whom do you think the ships are sold to? PVP(the one that makes ship to pop) is the core of the game.

OP it seems Eve isn't your game.

That's fine, It is a niche game after all.

The people that play this game enjoy mining, gate camping and the new exploration/probing system.

I spent hours looking for my first wormhole and it was so rewarding for me.

Probably the coolest thing i've done in a MMO in the last six years.

GL in whatever game you decide to play.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Horusra
Without the miners and the industry peeps the game would have ground to dust long ago.

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Fixed for you:
Without the PVPers, miners and the industry peeps would have ground to dust long ago.

Whom do you think the ships are sold to? PVP(the one that makes ship to pop) is the core of the game.

No. Here is fixed for both you.

Without the PvPers, miners and industrialists the game would have ground to dust a long time ago.

Without any of it the game is nothing. Both the elitest asshole pvper who hates care bears and the care bears who think all PvPers are griefing assholes are needed in this game.

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Originally posted by Lordmonkus
No. Here is fixed for both you.
Without the PvPers, miners and industrialists the game would have ground to dust a long time ago.
Without any of it the game is nothing. Both the elitest asshole pvper who hates care bears and the care bears who think all PvPers are griefing assholes are needed in this game.

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Seriously, you need to learn to think before posting and accusing people of anything.

Supply(miners and manufacturers) won't create any demand(people losing their ships). It is the demand creating supply.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Lordmonkus
No. Here is fixed for both you.
Without the PvPers, miners and industrialists the game would have ground to dust a long time ago.
Without any of it the game is nothing. Both the elitest asshole pvper who hates care bears and the care bears who think all PvPers are griefing assholes are needed in this game.

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Seriously, you need to learn to think before posting and accusing people of anything.

Supply(miners and manufacturers) won't create any demand(people losing their ships). It is the demand creating supply.

You know what ? I am going to be very nice here.

Just tell me who and what I accused of anything here ?

Why do you not understand that pvpers and industrialists need each other in this game ? Without both the game is dead.

Im gonna guess you won't answer my questions just like you have ignored every question given to you in previous posts and other threads. You still refuse to ever back up any of your claims. You just insult and parrot your same old shit over and over.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Xennith

eve is the only game that lets you pvp from day 1. other games you need to grind to max level first, with eve you just need a warp scrambler.

 

 People like to say that size isn't all that matters in Eve, but how many vets are doing PvP in a frigate?  Even if you did want to do PvP in a frigate, you still have to train all the equipment and weapon usage skills to be even a little bit useful.  Sure you could do PvP from day one, but you'll be dead and flat broke pretty quick.

I want to enjoy this game... I just can't find anything compelling to do while I wait for days on end to be able to pilot a cruiser.  I'm not complaining about the fact that I have to start with a frigate and work my way up.. I'm just wondering what I can do that is fun while I am limited to a small ship and junk gear.

A few days ago, 2 friends and myself, flying an interceptor, assault frigate, and frigate (my ship) killed a tempest (battleship).  All 3 of us are able to fly much larger ships, I myself can fly assault frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and battle cruisers, but we really enjoy flying small ships in small gangs of 3-4 and taking out battle cruisers and battleships.    It's where we find our best fun.

So, I guess rather than bemoaning the fact that all you can fly is a worthless frigate and that you have nothing to do until you can get into a cruiser, you could get together with some friends and find out what is the biggest chip you can kill with your little, inexpensively fit ships.

Also, if you start your PvP career in larger, more expensive, ships, I can guarantee you will be losing a lot of them.  In EVE, PvP is much less dependent on ship size and much more dependent on player knowledge.  Much better to gain that knowledge in cheap frigates rather than much more expensive cruisers and battle cruisers.

Originally posted by Moodah

All of them are just different tools, each suited for different task - like when you use a spoon for eating soup rather than a fork or knife, even though fork looks more badass than a spoon and a knife looks more badass than both spoon and fork together.

Wins comment of the day.

To the OP:

Player skill > character skill. A 5m SP frigate pilot will beat a 50m SP idiot in a Battlecruiser (Maybe not a battleship due to  low RAW dps) Knowing how to fit and fly your ship is half the battle won. Knowing when to engage and when not to is the other 25%.

If your/your friends' sole income in-game is through selling GTC's, they're either doing it wrong or suck hard at the game. I fund my account through ISK (buying GTC's off said 'doing it wrong' people), and do not run missions/mine/PVE or anything i feel is boring. Scams, ransoms, trade, PVP loot all fund my gametime, and (carebear) tears fuel my ships, giving it that extra 'oomph'

L2BeCreative and u go a long way. Stay stuck in the same mindset people get from other generic MMO's and all I can say is: "Can I have your stuff?"

Originally posted by LZBong

Originally posted by Moodah

All of them are just different tools, each suited for different task - like when you use a spoon for eating soup rather than a fork or knife, even though fork looks more badass than a spoon and a knife looks more badass than both spoon and fork together.

 

Wins comment of the day.

To the OP:

Player skill > character skill. A 5m SP frigate pilot will beat a 50m SP idiot in a Battlecruiser (Maybe not a battleship due to  low RAW dps) Knowing how to fit and fly your ship is half the battle won. Knowing when to engage and when not to is the other 25%.

If your/your friends' sole income in-game is through selling GTC's, they're either doing it wrong or suck hard at the game. I fund my account through ISK (buying GTC's off said 'doing it wrong' people), and do not run missions/mine/PVE or anything i feel is boring. Scams, ransoms, trade, PVP loot all fund my gametime, and (carebear) tears fuel my ships, giving it that extra 'oomph'

L2BeCreative and u go a long way. Stay stuck in the same mindset people get from other generic MMO's and all I can say is: "Can I have your stuff?"

Thank you so much for intelligent posts that actually make sense and are not just tripe from people who just don't understand or have an ego so large they can't see around it.

New players should look at posts like these when looking to get into Eve and ignore the bullshit posts out there.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Originally posted by LZBong

Originally posted by Moodah

All of them are just different tools, each suited for different task - like when you use a spoon for eating soup rather than a fork or knife, even though fork looks more badass than a spoon and a knife looks more badass than both spoon and fork together.

 

Wins comment of the day.

To the OP:

Player skill > character skill. A 5m SP frigate pilot will beat a 50m SP idiot in a Battlecruiser (Maybe not a battleship due to  low RAW dps) Knowing how to fit and fly your ship is half the battle won. Knowing when to engage and when not to is the other 25%.

If your/your friends' sole income in-game is through selling GTC's, they're either doing it wrong or suck hard at the game. I fund my account through ISK (buying GTC's off said 'doing it wrong' people), and do not run missions/mine/PVE or anything i feel is boring. Scams, ransoms, trade, PVP loot all fund my gametime, and (carebear) tears fuel my ships, giving it that extra 'oomph'

L2BeCreative and u go a long way. Stay stuck in the same mindset people get from other generic MMO's and all I can say is: "Can I have your stuff?"

Thank you so much for intelligent posts that actually make sense and are not just tripe from people who just don't understand or have an ego so large they can't see around it.

New players should look at posts like these when looking to get into Eve and ignore the bullshit posts out there.

Damn I meant to be rude and insulting but kinda drifted off into 'help newbies' mode.
 

OP: You suck and your friends suck. GTFO of my EVE and GB2WOW

There. Fixed.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

People like to say that size isn't all that matters in Eve, but how many vets are doing PvP in a frigate?  Even if you did want to do PvP in a frigate, you still have to train all the equipment and weapon usage skills to be even a little bit useful.  Sure you could do PvP from day one, but you'll be dead and flat broke pretty quick.

Common misconception, but not true.

www.google.com/search <-- Your answer is there.

Some notable links here:

http://www.massively.com/2008/10/26/eve-evolved-pvp-masterclass-gang-warfare/

http://www.eve-pirate.com/index.php?/archives/910-Frigate-Wolf-Pack-Packs-A-Mighty-Punch..html

My advice tyo anyone that wants to get into PvP in EVE is to first try it out in cheap throw away ships. You gain experience at PvP and everything can quickly and easily be replaced.  The frigates and T1 gear are cheap and readily available in most places.

Originally posted by Salvatoris 

People like to say that size isn't all that matters in Eve, but how many vets are doing PvP in a frigate?  Even if you did want to do PvP in a frigate, you still have to train all the equipment and weapon usage skills to be even a little bit useful.  Sure you could do PvP from day one, but you'll be dead and flat broke pretty quick.

53mil SP Vet here and its rare to find my in a BS or PVP, usually in a cruiser or Frig, often T2 but also frequently in T1 as well depending on what I am planning to do. While T2 ships may be a bit better then T1 ships,  the offset in cost means that they are flown far less often then the performace boost would seem to indicate, beause generally I can fit a 5-10 T1 ships for the cost of a t2 ship. Attrition does matter in EVE.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Horusra
Without the miners and the industry peeps the game would have ground to dust long ago.

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Fixed for you:
Without the PVPers, miners and the industry peeps would have ground to dust long ago.

Whom do you think the ships are sold to? PVP(the one that makes ship to pop) is the core of the game.

 

No. Here is fixed for both you.

Without the PvPers, miners and industrialists the game would have ground to dust a long time ago.

Without any of it the game is nothing. Both the elitest asshole pvper who hates care bears and the care bears who think all PvPers are griefing assholes are needed in this game.

Here it is.  The heart of the game spoken by someone who has achieved EvE enlightenment.  It's a living, breathing world and it needs everyone in it to make it feel the way it does.

People are often confused when I say that I hate griefers and scammers' guts but I 'm glad they are in the game.. this is the heart of it- EvE is hard, unforgiving, and intense... that's why virtual achievements there are satisfying.

There are plenty of hardcore PvPers  that hate my carebear guts and probably feel extra satisfaction when they pod my ass after I share my unsolicited opinions about the moral character of pirates. 

We like it like this, and yes, we'd both be out of business without eachother.  If you can't get your mind around this and are going to be constantly preoccupied with what is "fair and reasonable" you'll never enjoy the game.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

it's just doing repetitive tasks over and over again..

Welcome to MMOs.  hehe