Originally posted by Jsteiner

Originally posted by Axllow18

 LOLOLOLOL

 

And people think forumfall is bad.

"Laughing Out Loud Out Loud Out Loud Out Loud"

Are you a boy band or something?

*claps*

Thank you for completely missing the joke, cause if you had noticed the words just before that you would have realised that I was making fun of the response I expected from someone defending against my comment.

I am glad you are so observant.

I was a nay sayer and the bigest one to say vaporware, you have something to say? Here I am. If you look at my history I have responded to the rescent events, maybe others that this forum likes to call "trolls" have gone away but I never have. Thou I only respond when I feel like it. Point to me posting? I openly admit I was wrong about the game not launching, thou I was not wrong about much of the other things. It amazes me to a point that many will even on the darkfall forums defend a game they are paying for , but alas that is fine, if you are having fun with the way the current state of the game is that is great, however reading threw most of what is being posted allot more people "thought" they were getting a game that allot of you defenders kept saying "its in , it works" yada yada... In the end it really doesn't matter at this point does it? The game is out, people have seen it all and to be perfectly honest I do HOPE it comes to be what it was ment to be. But again, if the past proves anything it proves that they have a big project that might be a bit over their limits of abilities. When their initial team parted ways, that is when this all came down and us the "trolls" "skeptics" etc started showing our faces.

While I can openly (and have admited ) that I was wrong about the release of this game, every other point (look at my history dig all you want) is right on the money about this title. I do again hope they bring what they promise, but so far their own players are proving exactly those things we had worries about in the past. So would you like to hear my new fortune telling thoughts on the title?

Closed by 2010. Could be wrong, could end up being one server they run like a bbs and get every free dollar out of the players they can before the cost of keeping a single server up outweighs the money they are taking in, but eh I could be wrong. 50 bucks plus 15 a month x 100 people is a good amount of cash even for one server with a broken game. Like DnL, take the money and run! lol, but alas that's not nice, I give them kudos for launching, but then again everything people are posting are the exact things we talked about months and years ago saying "yup, that will happen for sure" and here we are proven to the point.

Salu!

Originally posted by Axllow18

*claps*

Thank you for completely missing the joke, cause if you had noticed the words just before that you would have realised that I was making fun of the response I expected from someone defending against my comment.

I am glad you are so observant.

So... you were pre-empting a childish defense with a (childish) overused meme? (LOLO... oh wait...)  You could have done so much better. Hell, why not spam troll fodder all over the thread in a KRUZE KONTROL TO KEWL!!!!111one111!?

See? Did that make my post any more credible? Not, Scott.

Originally posted by javac

 

 

The hell they weren't...
1) DF was claimed to be vapourware since forever, it clearly isn't
2) DF was hardcore ragged on for AGES for its graphics, yet they have been widely lauded by those who've actually played the game (animations & char models excepted).
3) people said FPS combat wasn't possible higher than 40v40, it clearly is.
4) people claimed the October video would never release, it did.
5) people claimed beta would never materialise, it did.
6) people claimed release would never release, it did.

7) people claimed the game wouldn' t fail, it did.

Originally posted by Jsteiner

Originally posted by Axllow18

*claps*

Thank you for completely missing the joke, cause if you had noticed the words just before that you would have realised that I was making fun of the response I expected from someone defending against my comment.

I am glad you are so observant.

 

So... you were pre-empting a childish defense with a (childish) overused meme? (LOLO... oh wait...)  You could have done so much better. Hell, why not spam troll fodder all over the thread in a KRUZE KONTROL TO KEWL!!!!111one111!?

 

See? Did that make my post any more credible? Not, Scott.

 

So I'm going to assume not only can you not take a joke but you also were offended by the defensive your putting up; its hard to tell through text, but it sure seems as though.

Let me just say I'm sorry that your easily offended and I hope one day you will learn to have much thicker skin on the internet. As for my comment and jeer about the comments expected I didn't think it was such a big deal seeing as that is a pretty accurate reaction from some of the fan base on this current topic. Not all I know but a select few, I had also assumed that the fans who are intelligent enough would know it didn't apply to them and shrug it off. I can see now your not one of them.

I'd also like to point out that I do not think its a crime to make a little joke for the pure hell of it. Incase your wondering I don't have anything against Darkfall but I know of two games that did FPS combat on large-scale and did it better: Planetside and WWIIOnline. I was an avid player in both, and I still play WWIIOnline from time to time. In fact I would like to see Darkfall succeed if for nothing more than to show that FPS games can work on MMO scale, and is worth larger companies putting effort in. And as far as my “credibility” goes, I really couldn't care if you think I'm credible or not based off of one sentence meant in jest.

Now get off of your high horse dude and take a joke, even if you think its a poor one.
 

tl;dr: Wall of text hits you for 5,000,000 dmg. You died. Respawn?: [ Y / N ]

[8 hours later]

Right: to clear things up.

First: The empiricle data. Planetside was epic, but wasn't deep enough to hold it's player base indefinately.  WWIIOL has (yes HAS - 109f pilot, reporting for duty) its issues: including, but not limited to, visibility clipping (the 'threat' system), Alt-F4 cowardice (an issue DF has too... I think...), and long range server-tracked munitions.

Second: Take it easy :) I (was? am? Insert the appropriate conjugation of the verb 'to be' here) trolling to pass the time between classes. But I have to disagree with you; I find that mimicking the behavior of miscreants, even over the internet, is the e-quivelent (made a punny) of "Stooping to their level", and mars your professionalism. I just thought I'd remark on how your post was very well stated right up until you punctuated with "LOLOLOLOL".

Now -on even ground- I stand by my position, even if dismounted.

"A horse... A Horse... My kingdom for a horse!"

I almost fell asleep during that video

Originally posted by -Zeno-

..because Shadowbane is the only other game outside Darkfall that can handle 300+ people in one area without becoming a slideshow?

Can Warhammer handle that many? No.  Looking away in WAR gives you usable FPS, look at the crowd, you either crash or have 1 - 2 FPS.

Can World of Warcraft handle that many? No.  That's rarely needed in WoW and when it does happen, its a slideshow.

Can EVE Online handle that many? No.  They have hard limits on each system server to prevent the slideshow.

Edit: I am talking from experiance with the above 3 examples.  Cable internet and a 9800 GTS should never become a slideshow in any game.

wow, you must've not played eve in a long long time then; because you are OBVIOUSLY talking out of your ass, where eve is concerned.

seriously, get your information straight.   where have you ever seen 300 people together in wow?  not a thousand+ not 500+; BUT, 300?  or in the other games?

Originally posted by javac

 

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Originally posted by WSIMike

 

What is happening here, with your post, is you're now attempting to change the focus of the topic, then attempting to throw up the "We Win! The "trolls" lose!" victory cry.

Nnnnnot quite.

Nobody was "pwned" here.

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The hell they weren't...
1) DF was claimed to be vapourware since forever, it clearly isn't  << vaporware has nothing to do with release; learn to troll better.
2) DF was hardcore ragged on for AGES for its graphics, yet they have been widely lauded by those who've actually played the game (animations & char models excepted).  <<so the countryside is pretty, but your character looks and moves like crap.  sounds quite wonderful
3) people said FPS combat wasn't possible higher than 40v40, it clearly is.  << does this video (unlike all previous videos) show anywhere NEAR 80 people that you can view at a given time?  or is it impossible for anyone making a video to EVER look around and show a huge battlefield full of folks, instead of just another group of 10-20 people running around thru a town?
4) people claimed the October video would never release, it did.  << yeah, it showed a great game alright, for the 90s...
5) people claimed beta would never materialise, it did.  << how long did it last?  and other than to cut out a lot of promised features (which are still listed on the official website), what did it accomplish?
6) people claimed release would never release, it did.  << i can buy this where?

i could go on... there has been so much pwnage of trolls in the last 6 months it's hard to keep up with.  << maybe, in your trolling, you could produce accurate & relevant points?  or do we not count over two dozen features being completely dropped and only a handful kept in game?

 

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In other words, this thread isn't about 40v40 in FPS. It isn't about the game being photoshopped, or vaporware.

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since when has mmorpg.com *ever* been about staying on topic?   << when folk stop trolling so much, and fanboi'ing up so much; then, maybe we could get back to reasonable discussions?  hard to have a reasonable discussion with people that simply ignore fact.

 

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This thread (like others before it) provides a link to a video claiming "300+ fighting it out with no lag". Upon viewing the video, people have posted  comments stating that nothing being shown is anywhere close to 300; and there's certainly not a whole lot of "fighting it out" happening either way.

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now look who's splitting hairs... are they fighting? yes, so "fighting it out" seems like a reasonable subject line. anyone that can count can see there isn't 300+ there, but so what? unless you're purely there to fraps, not fight, it's unlikely you'll ever get everyone that was actually there in a single video frame.   <<< was this a video that showed more than 20 people on screen at once?  if so, was it a HUGE amount more?  or, do we not see those areas on videos because of the lag?  just askin', no need for emo-rage.

 

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Further, claiming people started new accounts is purely conjecture on your part.

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feel free to offer a better explanation for the mysterious absence of rabid vapourware trolls prior to release and now the influx of new accounts created in the last couple months with < 100 posts that have no other post activity than trolling DF.   << vaporware has nothing to do with release.  look the term up, it has quite a few different meanings, and most of them have nothing to do with release.  darkfall will always be vaporware.

 

there has definitely been some forum account rerolling here. the real conjectural part of all this is whether these people are just fat losers in their parents' basement, disgruntled AoC staff, burnt out WOW raiders who can't break the addiction, or paid viral anti-marketers.   << or people disgusted with a game that cut out 80% of the content that was supposed to make this a great game after the better part of a decade.

booyah!   << you seem awful confident of accomplishing "something"; after confusing a lot of opinion with fact.  sorry, darkfaller.
 

 Javac = fanboi troll.  I have now seen your posts all over the darkfall forums.  I have held my tongue til now.  You sir are nothing but a fanboi troll.  You consistently rome around the darkfall forums and post the same garbage over and over.  If you like the game that's cool, if you want to post something that too is fine, but for god's sake stop trolling and flaming everyone who has a different opinion than you.  From everything i have read you must be the luckiest person who has experienced the game.  You seem to be the only one that doesn't have a problem with this game, just must be a miracle.  Sorry to troll here myself and get off topic but just tired of javac's mouth.  Please get over yourself and realize that this game may be your fix for now but the game will be done in about a year or so until MO comes out  or Earthrise and no one plays darkfall anymore.  Darkfall will be dead soon, only thing that might keep it alive is that it's an Indie company that won't need much money to have 2 server up and running.  Again, get over yourself.

Oh and btw, Darkfall is the definition of vaporware, look it up before you open your mouth and flood the forums full of your mindless fanboi garbage.

Originally posted by Jsteiner

[8 hours later]

Right: to clear things up.

First: The empiricle data. Planetside was epic, but wasn't deep enough to hold it's player base indefinately.  WWIIOL has (yes HAS - 109f pilot, reporting for duty) its issues: including, but not limited to, visibility clipping (the 'threat' system), Alt-F4 cowardice (an issue DF has too... I think...), and long range server-tracked munitions.

 

Second: Take it easy :) I (was? am? Insert the appropriate conjugation of the verb 'to be' here) trolling to pass the time between classes. But I have to disagree with you; I find that mimicking the behavior of miscreants, even over the internet, is the e-quivelent (made a punny) of "Stooping to their level", and mars your professionalism. I just thought I'd remark on how your post was very well stated right up until you punctuated with "LOLOLOLOL".

 

Now -on even ground- I stand by my position, even if dismounted.

"A horse... A Horse... My kingdom for a horse!"

Haha well its good we can have a good laugh at it in passing. I will agree neither of those games were perfect but what game is these days ya know?

As far as what issues Darkfall has I can't comment on that realistically (I haven't played the game), but I did read quite a bit and it seems that even it is having problems with large scale battles. Again this is based off of things I have read, not seen.

Originally posted by javac

 

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Originally posted by WSIMike

 

What is happening here, with your post, is you're now attempting to change the focus of the topic, then attempting to throw up the "We Win! The "trolls" lose!" victory cry.

Nnnnnot quite.

Nobody was "pwned" here.

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The hell they weren't...
1) DF was claimed to be vapourware since forever, it clearly isn't
2) DF was hardcore ragged on for AGES for its graphics, yet they have been widely lauded by those who've actually played the game (animations & char models excepted).
3) people said FPS combat wasn't possible higher than 40v40, it clearly is.
4) people claimed the October video would never release, it did.
5) people claimed beta would never materialise, it did.
6) people claimed release would never release, it did.

i could go on... there has been so much pwnage of trolls in the last 6 months it's hard to keep up with.

And none of this has anything to do with the OP, which is 300+ people "fighting it out".

You're still off-topic.

 

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In other words, this thread isn't about 40v40 in FPS. It isn't about the game being photoshopped, or vaporware.

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since when has mmorpg.com *ever* been about staying on topic?

Irrelevant question.

I'll chalk that up to you dancing around my actual statement... again.

 

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This thread (like others before it) provides a link to a video claiming "300+ fighting it out with no lag". Upon viewing the video, people have posted  comments stating that nothing being shown is anywhere close to 300; and there's certainly not a whole lot of "fighting it out" happening either way.

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now look who's splitting hairs... are they fighting? yes, so "fighting it out" seems like a reasonable subject line. anyone that can count can see there isn't 300+ there, but so what? unless you're purely there to fraps, not fight, it's unlikely you'll ever get everyone that was actually there in a single video frame.

I'm not splitting hairs. Ironically, you are.

I'm simply saying the claim of 300+ people fighting it out without lag is not backed by what the video actually shows. Basic observation.

This statement here:
"are they fighting? yes, so "fighting it out" seems like a reasonable subject line."

Actually... No. Except for the one scene I can recall where they're beating up on a bank vault, it's mosty everyone running cross-country or standing around. I pointed this discrepancy out already in a previous post... which of course you conveniently ignored.

Just to illustrate what I (and I suspect others) expect when someone says a video shows many people "fighting it out"... Here's some examples:

Example 1 (Lineage 2)
Example 2 (DAoC)
Example 3 (Aion)
Example 4 (Eve Online)

That's just 4... With a bit of searching on YouTube I could find many more. I know for a fact there's many more for L2 alone with just as much action, if not more. Hell, I've seen more action in mass PvP in LoTRO's Ettenmoors battles than I've seen in any one DF video to date.

Also, notice how those people were fighting *and* recording at the same time? Kinda renders your "purely there to fraps, not fight" comment moot. People do both all the time.

Now compare those videos - in terms of the amount of actual *fighting* - to the video of DF linked here, or in previous posts. By comparison, the sight of 40 or so people at a time running across a landscape or standing around in DF isn't exactly "heart pumping". Although, on the other hand, maybe the fact that it is enough to get fans so excited around here, praising DF to the heavens, is a great indication of just how little the game actually delivers.

I'm sure - expect, actually - that you'll come back with some other spin, make an irrelevant comment, or will perform another convenient "topic hop". That's fine. My point's been made and illustrated regardless.

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Further, claiming people started new accounts is purely conjecture on your part.

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feel free to offer a better explanation for the mysterious absence of rabid vapourware trolls prior to release and now the influx of new accounts created in the last couple months with < 100 posts that have no other post activity than trolling DF.

No point. I don't know. But that's the difference. Unlike you, I don't presume to know why people do what they do, or don't do. Regardless, a lack of "a better explanation" doesn't change the fact that yours is still mere conjecture.

 

there has definitely been some forum account rerolling here. the real conjectural part of all this is whether these people are just fat losers in their parents' basement, disgruntled AoC staff, burnt out WOW raiders who can't break the addiction, or paid viral anti-marketers.

Now you've graduated to wild, baseless conjecture.

booyah!

Quite impressed with yourself, eh? :)
 

Thanks WSIMike, a thorough debunk of the silly fanboi pablum.

I couldn't have so completely and efficiently destroyed his argument as you did.

Kudos to you.

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Thanks WSIMike, a thorough debunk of the silly fanboi pablum.

I couldn't have so completely and efficiently destroyed his argument as you did.

Kudos to you.

Well the thing is... I'd *like* to see some actual mass PvP action in DF. I just haven't yet... at least not in any videos posted to date. Having seen, and been part of events that truly *were* mass PvP, I have a pretty fair idea of what to expect when a video is claimed to have 150+, 300+ or even just 50+ "fighting it out".

So far, I've seen nothing from DF showing anything like that. Could be that the people recording the vids have no idea of what actually makes for exciting footage... Who knows? All I know is, I have yet to see anything resembling "mass PvP" in DF.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Thanks WSIMike, a thorough debunk of the silly fanboi pablum.

I couldn't have so completely and efficiently destroyed his argument as you did.

Kudos to you.

 

Well the thing is... I'd *like* to see some actual mass PvP action in DF. I just haven't yet... at least not in any videos posted to date. Having seen, and been part of events that truly *were* mass PvP, I have a pretty fair idea of what to expect when a video is claimed to have 150+, 300+ or even just 50+ "fighting it out".

So far, I've seen nothing from DF showing anything like that. Could be that the people recording the vids have no idea of what actually makes for exciting footage... Who knows? All I know is, I have yet to see anything resembling "mass PvP" in DF.

I've witnessed what seemed to be about 80 people in a psuedo 'raid' on what I suppose was a hamlet. (sat at a friends house watching him play).

With the proviso that he

a) turned off shadows and all other  graphics to minimum

and

b) turned off hardware sound

It actually ran quite smoothly.

Now for me, I think there is nothing in the combat system that shines, its all to zerg and click with a bit of fps style strafe jumping thrown in, just remember to select vertical slash to avoid hitting your mates.

BUT , my friend and his guildies had fun, which is the point.  The stories of the big raids crashing half the people out arent isolated incidents, it seems to happen a lot, but for 80 or so the game seemed entirely feasible, and thats nothing to be ashamed about. As ever, its the exageration that gets people questioning things.

As background, he was a PKer on pre trammell UO, as were the people he played this game with, hes been loving the game  despite its faults (which he also doesnt deny). I suspect thats the target market.

Originally posted by Valetman

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Thanks WSIMike, a thorough debunk of the silly fanboi pablum.

I couldn't have so completely and efficiently destroyed his argument as you did.

Kudos to you.

 

Well the thing is... I'd *like* to see some actual mass PvP action in DF. I just haven't yet... at least not in any videos posted to date. Having seen, and been part of events that truly *were* mass PvP, I have a pretty fair idea of what to expect when a video is claimed to have 150+, 300+ or even just 50+ "fighting it out".

So far, I've seen nothing from DF showing anything like that. Could be that the people recording the vids have no idea of what actually makes for exciting footage... Who knows? All I know is, I have yet to see anything resembling "mass PvP" in DF.

 

 

I've witnessed what seemed to be about 80 people in a psuedo 'raid' on what I suppose was a hamlet. (sat at a friends house watching him play).

With the proviso that he

a) turned off shadows and all other  graphics to minimum

and

b) turned off hardware sound

 

It actually ran quite smoothly.

 

Now for me, I think there is nothing in the combat system that shines, its all to zerg and click with a bit of fps style strafe jumping thrown in, just remember to select vertical slash to avoid hitting your mates.

 

BUT , my friend and his guildies had fun, which is the point.  The stories of the big raids crashing half the people out arent isolated incidents, it seems to happen a lot, but for 80 or so the game seemed entirely feasible, and thats nothing to be ashamed about. As ever, its the exageration that gets people questioning things.

 

As background, he was a PKer on pre trammell UO, as were the people he played this game with, hes been loving the game  despite its faults (which he also doesnt deny). I suspect thats the target market.

 

Bingo. It's the fun that matters.  Even all-out PvP in a 20 on 20 situation can be a blast.

But, yes... exaggeration does seem to be common among some of the fans around here, and at the end of the day it does more of a disservice to them and the game. If you're going to post a video, at least be honest about what it's showing. Don't show us a mass of people running cross-country, and then call it a "large scale battle". We *can* tell the difference.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Thanks WSIMike, a thorough debunk of the silly fanboi pablum.

I couldn't have so completely and efficiently destroyed his argument as you did.

Kudos to you.

 

Well the thing is... I'd *like* to see some actual mass PvP action in DF. I just haven't yet... at least not in any videos posted to date. Having seen, and been part of events that truly *were* mass PvP, I have a pretty fair idea of what to expect when a video is claimed to have 150+, 300+ or even just 50+ "fighting it out".

So far, I've seen nothing from DF showing anything like that. Could be that the people recording the vids have no idea of what actually makes for exciting footage... Who knows? All I know is, I have yet to see anything resembling "mass PvP" in DF.

to be fair.. there's that one video where like 8 guys go up an elevator and an enemy dwarf goes down the elevator with them... he dies after he kills a few of them... then a few more dwarves finish off the rest of the 8... so i mean, that was some pretty massive 6 on 8 action there.

or that video where that guy shoots an arrow at some dude that's pretty far away... that was exciting pvp'ness.  not sure who died in that video, most of the pvp was a group of like a dozen dudes just running around some random city.  since none of them were guard tower ganked, i'd have to guess it was the local militia on a morning jog?

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Thanks WSIMike, a thorough debunk of the silly fanboi pablum.

I couldn't have so completely and efficiently destroyed his argument as you did.

Kudos to you.

 

Well the thing is... I'd *like* to see some actual mass PvP action in DF. I just haven't yet... at least not in any videos posted to date. Having seen, and been part of events that truly *were* mass PvP, I have a pretty fair idea of what to expect when a video is claimed to have 150+, 300+ or even just 50+ "fighting it out".

So far, I've seen nothing from DF showing anything like that. Could be that the people recording the vids have no idea of what actually makes for exciting footage... Who knows? All I know is, I have yet to see anything resembling "mass PvP" in DF.

 

to be fair.. there's that one video where like 8 guys go up an elevator and an enemy dwarf goes down the elevator with them... he dies after he kills a few of them... then a few more dwarves finish off the rest of the 8... so i mean, that was some pretty massive 6 on 8 action there.

 

or that video where that guy shoots an arrow at some dude that's pretty far away... that was exciting pvp'ness.  not sure who died in that video, most of the pvp was a group of like a dozen dudes just running around some random city.  since none of them were guard tower ganked, i'd have to guess it was the local militia on a morning jog?

I'm confused Damian7, you seem to post anti, then pro posts.

Originally posted by Aragon100

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-bloV4QR4&fmt=22

+300 people fighting it out and just about no lag.

Darkfall is the best MMO i ever played. So much fun.

I think you linked the wrong youtube here.

There are at most 80 people in this one, and they are standing around instead of *fighting it out*.

Based upon this video you linked and your statement that this is the best MMO you have ever played, I can see that you have not played many MMOs.

It's nice for you that you had much fun though, that is exactly what games are for.

Originally posted by TalRasha 

Based upon this video you linked and your statement that this is the best MMO you have ever played, I can see that you have not played many MMOs.

It's nice for you that you had much fun though, that is exactly what games are for.

I have played many MMOs.

I agree, Darkfall is the best I have played so far.