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Omg is realy wired, an awsome game but no 3rd.

A 3d game without 3rd person with melee wapons.

50 vs 50 = fail

Originally posted by lexceler

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Omg is realy wired, an awsome game but no 3rd.

A 3d game without 3rd person with melee wapons.

50 vs 50 = fail

 

If you mean a fight 50v50 with FPV=fail, then you are truly an idiot.

lol no thanks bye

 Lol of course the people who LOVE rpg's and the way they look like graphics and fluff and feeling themselves more than the gameplay and reason to play it.

MO will be a niche, just like DFO is, most will hate, some will love it, that simple.

MO will not be all fluffy and stuff, it will be a harsh and dying world, you will get ganked and gangbanged probably everyday until you adapt.

FPV is the only way to go in a MMORPG with FPS combat IMO. anything else is just another auto see left click fest.

Originally posted by Yamota

Well whatever their reasons is they will lose customers over it. And this includes, people like me, who want a good sandbox FFA PvP game but can't stand first person. It has nothing to do with PvP and is basically a way to attract the FPS crowd, which is sad because they will lose alot of MMORPG customers in the proccess.

You wont have problem finding another MMO with TPV, basically all MMO have TPV. 
 

FPV only is why I am interested in this game. Finally one developer dare doing that. I cant stand all TPV MMOs.

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Yamota

Well whatever their reasons is they will lose customers over it. And this includes, people like me, who want a good sandbox FFA PvP game but can't stand first person. It has nothing to do with PvP and is basically a way to attract the FPS crowd, which is sad because they will lose alot of MMORPG customers in the proccess.

You wont have problem finding another MMO with TPV, basically all MMO have TPV. 
 

FPV only is why I am interested in this game. Finally one developer dare doing that. I cant stand all TPV MMOs.

I don't see what is so great with forced FPV. Alot of those so called TPV MMOs have FPV which is good because it allows you to chose. Forcing FPV is just plain dumb because it will discourage alot of people that won't like to be forced into it from getting the game.

And really I don't see the point in forcing it, leave it as an option for those who like it. If you are worried about getting a bird eye view of the battle field then just reduce the amount that you can zoom out but atleast give us a way to see our own damn character. I want to look at my own bloody avatar for crying out loud!

Originally posted by pausen

yeah

but maby mirrors

Most sets of armor will actually have huge mirror attachments so you can see everything around you, just like it's a TPS.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Yamota

Well whatever their reasons is they will lose customers over it. And this includes, people like me, who want a good sandbox FFA PvP game but can't stand first person. It has nothing to do with PvP and is basically a way to attract the FPS crowd, which is sad because they will lose alot of MMORPG customers in the proccess.

You wont have problem finding another MMO with TPV, basically all MMO have TPV. 
 

FPV only is why I am interested in this game. Finally one developer dare doing that. I cant stand all TPV MMOs.

I don't see what is so great with forced FPV. Alot of those so called TPV MMOs have FPV which is good because it allows you to chose. Forcing FPV is just plain dumb because it will discourage alot of people that won't like to be forced into it from getting the game.

And really I don't see the point in forcing it, leave it as an option for those who like it. If you are worried about getting a bird eye view of the battle field then just reduce the amount that you can zoom out but atleast give us a way to see our own damn character. I want to look at my own bloody avatar for crying out loud!

I am a fan of 3PV myself, like Darkfall it will be a bit odd, to play an MMO with FPV, but then again I have been playing Oblivion quite alot and that is quite enjoyable in its own way, and I can see certain gimmicks that FPV only will bring to the battlefield and to the world, it will make the world seem bigger instead of the RTS like view that 3PV provides, think about going inside a cave and actually feeling like small going in rather than having a camera looking down from the ceiling, and brings new strategy onto combat since you wont have an overview of whats in front and behind you.

Its a wait a see topic for me really dunno how well it will work out.

Originally posted by Metal_M

 For all those that are dreaming, waiting or insisting that there must be 3rd person in MO.

 

 There will be none.

 

 Get ower it, lads.

Puh, thank god! It's fine by me cuz im over 14 years old and have better self esteem than that I have to see my überl33t armor from behind all the time! Weii!

Grow up and try something new. It is like sex, once you try, you love it. But of course, you dont know that if you are a 14 year old virgin. *whistle*

Wanna be a 40 year old virgin? Well, stay in carebear 3rd person!

Originally posted by sickan

Originally posted by Metal_M

 For all those that are dreaming, waiting or insisting that there must be 3rd person in MO.

 

 There will be none.

 

 Get ower it, lads.

 

Puh, thank god! It's fine by me cuz im over 14 years old and have better self esteem than that I have to see my überl33t armor from behind all the time! Weii!

 

Grow up and try something new. It is like sex, once you try, you love it. But of course, you dont know that if you are a 14 year old virgin. *whistle*

Wanna be a 40 year old virgin? Well, stay in carebear 3rd person! 

If these are the type of persons that will be playing this game then this game will be as doomed as DF. An MMORPG is only as good as its playerbase.

Originally posted by rav3n2

I am a fan of 3PV myself, like Darkfall it will be a bit odd, to play an MMO with FPV, but then again I have been playing Oblivion quite alot and that is quite enjoyable in its own way, and I can see certain gimmicks that FPV only will bring to the battlefield and to the world, it will make the world seem bigger instead of the RTS like view that 3PV provides, think about going inside a cave and actually feeling like small going in rather than having a camera looking down from the ceiling, and brings new strategy onto combat since you wont have an overview of whats in front and behind you.

Its a wait a see topic for me really dunno how well it will work out.

Well all of those are still valid if you have the choice of FPV rather than being forced to have it. Unless you want to restrict people from using strategies that is not exclusive to FPV but then we are talking about something else and I really don't see a point in forcing people to use certain type of strategies.

Birdeye view, yeah I can see how that gives you an advantage. But close TPV will not give you any kind of advantage, more like having forced FPV would give a disadvantage to melee and advantage to ranged characters.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by rav3n2

I am a fan of 3PV myself, like Darkfall it will be a bit odd, to play an MMO with FPV, but then again I have been playing Oblivion quite alot and that is quite enjoyable in its own way, and I can see certain gimmicks that FPV only will bring to the battlefield and to the world, it will make the world seem bigger instead of the RTS like view that 3PV provides, think about going inside a cave and actually feeling like small going in rather than having a camera looking down from the ceiling, and brings new strategy onto combat since you wont have an overview of whats in front and behind you.

Its a wait a see topic for me really dunno how well it will work out.

Well all of those are still valid if you have the choice of FPV rather than being forced to have it. Unless you want to restrict people from using strategies that is not exclusive to FPV but then we are talking about something else and I really don't see a point in forcing people to use certain type of strategies.

Birdeye view, yeah I can see how that gives you an advantage. But close TPV will not give you any kind of advantage, more like having forced FPV would give a disadvantage to melee and advantage to ranged characters.

IMOH the FPV lock on, was more because of easier implementation rather than because they wanted to lock ppl in FPV, U3 engine already has a remarkeable support for first person view and that just made it easier to extend it for their melee/ranged weapons rather than having to worry about a third-person view as well.

Originally posted by rav3n2

IMOH the FPV lock on, was more because of easier implementation rather than because they wanted to lock ppl in FPV, U3 engine already has a remarkeable support for first person view and that just made it easier to extend it for their melee/ranged weapons rather than having to worry about a third-person view as well.

If that is the case then one can only hope that they will eventually add TPV. I can safely say that most MMORPG gamers would rather have the choice rather than being forced to do FPV.

Huxley uses Unreal3 as well and the battles are fought in FPV but the towns are in 3rd and it works very well. I would at least like that option.

Originally posted by Velexia

Have the developers of Mortal Online considered an over-the-shoulder view that cannot zoom out?  I would play Mortal Online if that were included.  The first-person only view is the only thing stopping me from getting excited about this game.

Edit: A good example of a view similar to this would be the one found in Armored Core games.  You still cannot see anything behind you, but you can see your character in action.  This isn't only for aesthetics however.  Depth perception with melee weapons in first-person view is very poor, and your field of view is cut in thirds when in a first person view.  A natural view angle is better achieved with this over-the-shoulder view.

Sorta like Mount and Blade's view.   This I could go with.  No 3rd person view...forget it.   I am not even going to bother now. 

I'd very much prefer to have it all in FPV. More immersive and opens up for a whole lot of new tactics! Besides, it's going to be a fresh experience compared to a "normal" MMO.

Originally posted by sandolainen

I'd very much prefer to have it all in FPV. More immersive and opens up for a whole lot of new tactics! Besides, it's going to be a fresh experience compared to a "normal" MMO.

Forcing you to play your toon upside down would also open up new tactics and be a fresh experience. That doesn't make it good, or even practical.

And you could actually do that yourself by tipping your monitor over and upside down. But then the people that play the game as a normal (sane) person would get an advantage. Now we cant have that so lets force everyone to play with their monitors upside down!

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sandolainen

I'd very much prefer to have it all in FPV. More immersive and opens up for a whole lot of new tactics! Besides, it's going to be a fresh experience compared to a "normal" MMO.

 

Forcing you to play your toon upside down would also open up new tactics and be a fresh experience. That doesn't make it good, or even practical.

And you could actually do that yourself by tipping your monitor over and upside down. But then the people that play the game as a normal (sane) person would get an advantage. Now we cant have that so lets force everyone to play with their monitors upside down!

That is a completely dumb comparison, FPV has been in gaming for years and is a well known and tested form of in game view, they have decided not to put 3PV period, its not "wrong" it was their choice, i understand its not your preference but trying to make it look like the "WRONG" way with stupid comparisons doesnt really help, you dont like it fine, but there is nothing wrong with the developers choosing this over allowing 3PV.

Your the one not sounding very "sane" with these comparisons.

Don't know why everyone is so die-hard about having a 3rd-person view...

No good fps-based game does 3rd-person; aiming would be clunky, and some features probably removed.  Assuming it's not poorly executed, this game should attract a lot of fps-genre gamers that typically stay away from mmo's. 

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sandolainen

I'd very much prefer to have it all in FPV. More immersive and opens up for a whole lot of new tactics! Besides, it's going to be a fresh experience compared to a "normal" MMO.

 

Forcing you to play your toon upside down would also open up new tactics and be a fresh experience. That doesn't make it good, or even practical.

And you could actually do that yourself by tipping your monitor over and upside down. But then the people that play the game as a normal (sane) person would get an advantage. Now we cant have that so lets force everyone to play with their monitors upside down!

 

That is a completely dumb comparison, FPV has been in gaming for years and is a well known and tested form of in game view, they have decided not to put 3PV period, its not "wrong" it was their choice, i understand its not your preference but trying to make it look like the "WRONG" way with stupid comparisons doesnt really help, you dont like it fine, but there is nothing wrong with the developers choosing this over allowing 3PV.

Your the one not sounding very "sane" with these comparisons. 

You're not getting it. Ofcourse the comparison was dumb and that was the point. Sometimes you make a comparison to make a point by making an excaguration and the point is that forcing you into a particular view that is NOT the standard (TPV has been standard in MMORPG ever since EQ) and then saying that this "opens up new tactics" because it prevents you from playing the game how it is normally done is a lame argument. Further it is stupid to say that people playing in TPV would get an advantage over people playing FPV. Well duh, playing the game in any way that is awkard (like upside down or FPV) could ofcourse give you an disadvantage.

As for it being wrong. Well I would guess that doing something that is not prefered by the majority of MMORPGers is generally a wrong thing to do. Same could be said about FFA PvP and full loot but those are features and not UI and completely different. Now if they have an agenda to try to lure the FPS crowd into their game I don't know but alienating the majority of MMORPG gamers I would say is considered doing the wrong thing.