What are you all who are complaining about the pvp aspect  thinking!!! It's Good Vs Evil!!! A comic book based MMO wouldn't be any kind of anything  if you where just running around Fighting NPC's

I mean god for bid you actually fight something that has a brain or any kind of actual genuine ideas of how to kick the crap out of you, and as far as bashing SOE obviousely none of you who did bash it never played EQ before they put all the new crap in. When it frist came out the game was great and yes it has changed over time but that's the way the world works things change. If your not that into comic books then don't play the game believe me you won't be missed. As for i i'm exstatic about this game. I've been waiting so long for a game that offers such realism you throw something and if your off it can bounce around and take out one of your friends or a sivilian. As for the PVP heck ya i wanna fight supervillians or super heros. Somebody who can think on there feet is much more of a challenge then a programmed NPC who's not going to be creative at all let alone give you a sporting fight and if your worried about being trampled by a more powerfull foe don't you think SOE has thought about this they are trying to make money and i think they know what there talking about many of there games have been around for a very long time and still have a decent amount of players. All i know is when it's released i'm kissin WOW good bye and starting my online life of crime! Watch out DC universe!!!

Originally posted by Brone87

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by syllvenwood

Originally posted by Brone87

I live, eat ,and breath PVP... when I found out this game was going to have a strong PVP element to it I was very very excited. I find it hilarious how many people are getting turned off from this game each time "pvp" is used in one of these interviews. Face it, PVP is the future of MMO's and I doubt you will ever see a game with strict Everquest PVE only gameplay released in the future.

You can claim you do not like PVP or PVP gets boring, however in reality it is either A) You suck at video games or B) You choke under pressure. PVP is the most intense part of MMO's and many peoples reason to even bother playing them in the first place.

 

ROFL I love people like you . The one who jumps a level 12 character when they are 40 or some such nonsense and just laugh and say well you should be better at pvp. Your a joke and your i live eat and breath pvp is actually i live eat breath griefing and harrassing anyoone i can find that doesnt have a chance to fight back. And you fergot the third coice. C) I like to actually play the game, role play, and not have to hear the chorus of pwned you mf, you just got pwned and other such ridiculous nonsense. The reason you play a Role Playing game is for the story, thats the whole point, thats what a Role Playing game is about, if you wanna count your frags go play a fps game cause thats what That game is about. Any game that does focus on PVP shouldn't even bother putting the RPG in because it doesnt exist.

 

How on earth does my post give you the impression I gank lowbies??? Are you really that ignorant to believe all people who live for PVP in MMO's get joy from ganking people that cannot put up a fight? Seriously it seems like you have been ganked one too many times but I however enjoy fair fights. I despise ganking or even being a first attacker as a win under those conditions to me isn't really a win.

Also if you wanna Roleplay in a SuperHeroes vs Villains game... YOU START BY COMBATING THE VILLAINS not holding there hands. Another thing... if you want an immersive roleplaying experience go play a singlelayer game... last time I checked MMO's are pretty dry in the story department. God I cannot get over your ignorance.

 

You laugh about them, and maybe that is the wiser thing to do. I pity them. The are alone in a reality of wolf eats wolfs, all fighting in an endless circle of anger, fear and isolation. People like such never know the wonders of working as a team of trusted friends, of achieving things together and for a greater good and not merely rob those who are weak and live the existence of vultures. It is a pityful view of the world.

I hope Darkfall lives long, so they all are kept away with like minded people.

 

Are you freaking serious? I pity you because you clearly do not understand how PVP works. Player vs player fights are non-scripted events, they are different each and every encounter and unlike NPC's players can learn and adapt. Also PVP is not limited to just doing soley by yourself... in Fury I was in a clan who's speciality was 4v4. You could not even comprehend the amount of team work this required and the sense of acheivement when fought against the top teams was unimaginable.

You know what... Save your pity and gospel talk for your sunday school classes because I aint buying single god damn line.

I totally agree with you Brone. Fortunately for us PvP is the the logical future for mmos so we will be seeing a lot more of it. These guys want single player co-op games but unfortunately for them as mmos evolve its just not what they are going to be getting. Their narrow minded views are completely biased by all the badly designed PvP games we have been seeing so far and they have become jaded because of the ganking experiences they have had in those games. They just lack the imagination and foresight to be able to see the neccessity for PvP in mmos......but as they evolve and improve more and more people will start to enjoy them because afterall online games cant remain limited to single player game design forever.

Besides what kind of retard complains about PvP in a game about superheroes where the players can actually play the parts of the heroes or the villains?! How insane is that?! Why on earth would you NOT want to fight your OPPONENTS. It doesnt make any sense at all. Thankfully these jerks arent involved in making the games so their dumb opinions are worthless.

I pity them for their lack of vision and their inability to see the full potential of online gaming. They are like a bunch of old men who cant keep up with things.

Whats the point of logging onto an online game with thousands of people if you are only going to play against the computer and its braindead mobs? Basicly you are correct.....these guys are just shit at playing games which is why they only want to play against the computer. They cant handle random situations and the variety which comes from facing a human opponent. They want to see an npc opponent and press the same buttons over and over again every single time, knowing in advance everything that will happen because it makes them feel comfortable and cosy. Thats why they whine about how RPGs are about the story. Its because they want to focus more on reading stories rather than actually playing a game. They just want to click a few buttons to push the story forward and they dont care about interesting gameplay.......and the most interesting gameplay naturally comes from fighting a human opponent.

They also moan that PvP ruins the story which as usual from these guys is a load of complete bullshit. If it does then any form of combat should be removed so these boring guys can just sit there reading an online book........and this is basicly what they want their mmos to be. They want them to be online books. However thats not what I play games for. I play games to.....play games........so these boring armchair warriors can get stuffed because mmos are moving forward and leaving them behind. These guys are becoming the minority and a good thing too because its about time that mmos become more interesting and involving. I'm so tired of all of these shitty pure PvE games which are nothing more than simplified single player games with piss poor gameplay dumped on the internet. I think these guys should just stick with single player games because then they can focus on the storytelling without having those "iritating people" getting in their way and ruining their perception of fun. Either that or just stick to reading books.

Originally posted by Hypnohighzer

What are you all who are complaining about the pvp aspect  thinking!!! It's Good Vs Evil!!! A comic book based MMO wouldn't be any kind of anything  if you where just running around Fighting NPC's

I mean god for bid you actually fight something that has a brain or any kind of actual genuine ideas of how to kick the crap out of you, and as far as bashing SOE obviousely none of you who did bash it never played EQ before they put all the new crap in. When it frist came out the game was great and yes it has changed over time but that's the way the world works things change. If your not that into comic books then don't play the game believe me you won't be missed. As for i i'm exstatic about this game. I've been waiting so long for a game that offers such realism you throw something and if your off it can bounce around and take out one of your friends or a sivilian. As for the PVP heck ya i wanna fight supervillians or super heros. Somebody who can think on there feet is much more of a challenge then a programmed NPC who's not going to be creative at all let alone give you a sporting fight and if your worried about being trampled by a more powerfull foe don't you think SOE has thought about this they are trying to make money and i think they know what there talking about many of there games have been around for a very long time and still have a decent amount of players. All i know is when it's released i'm kissin WOW good bye and starting my online life of crime! Watch out DC universe!!!

Very well said. I love the fact that in this game I can create a superhero knowing full well that out there somewhere is another person who is playing a supervillain and that we might meet and do battle with each other. This is what online games are supposed to be about. Its just a shame that they have taken so long to get to this stage.

All the nay sayers who can do nothing but whine about the freedom this game offers can get stuffed and go and play some other boring PvE grind fest as they certainly wont be missed.

Originally posted by Shohadaku

 If this wasn't SOE I would be more intrested. SOE just has too much a rep of shooting themself in the foot for me to put any time into.

Sadly I feel the same way. I will watch the game as I really like the idea, but SOE has burned me too often. They took over EQ1 and ruined it, made EQ2 and it is horrible, and Vanguard do we even need to talk about how bad that was.

i love ganking newbs. i make sure there is no chance for them to fight back. lol

Neonwire, You sir deserve an award for your post! I grinned from

Here --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Here reading it.

I can't wait to see what those PVE online book lovers have to say about it!

Sounds awesome sign me up

I agree w/Neonwire. This sounds like a really cool and innovative way to handle pvp. Wouldn't it be awesome to have an actual player become your arch-nemesis? This is sounding more and more like what a superhero MMO should be like.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Brone87

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by syllvenwood

Originally posted by Brone87

I live, eat ,and breath PVP... when I found out this game was going to have a strong PVP element to it I was very very excited. I find it hilarious how many people are getting turned off from this game each time "pvp" is used in one of these interviews. Face it, PVP is the future of MMO's and I doubt you will ever see a game with strict Everquest PVE only gameplay released in the future.

You can claim you do not like PVP or PVP gets boring, however in reality it is either A) You suck at video games or B) You choke under pressure. PVP is the most intense part of MMO's and many peoples reason to even bother playing them in the first place.

 

ROFL I love people like you . The one who jumps a level 12 character when they are 40 or some such nonsense and just laugh and say well you should be better at pvp. Your a joke and your i live eat and breath pvp is actually i live eat breath griefing and harrassing anyoone i can find that doesnt have a chance to fight back. And you fergot the third coice. C) I like to actually play the game, role play, and not have to hear the chorus of pwned you mf, you just got pwned and other such ridiculous nonsense. The reason you play a Role Playing game is for the story, thats the whole point, thats what a Role Playing game is about, if you wanna count your frags go play a fps game cause thats what That game is about. Any game that does focus on PVP shouldn't even bother putting the RPG in because it doesnt exist.

 

How on earth does my post give you the impression I gank lowbies??? Are you really that ignorant to believe all people who live for PVP in MMO's get joy from ganking people that cannot put up a fight? Seriously it seems like you have been ganked one too many times but I however enjoy fair fights. I despise ganking or even being a first attacker as a win under those conditions to me isn't really a win.

Also if you wanna Roleplay in a SuperHeroes vs Villains game... YOU START BY COMBATING THE VILLAINS not holding there hands. Another thing... if you want an immersive roleplaying experience go play a singlelayer game... last time I checked MMO's are pretty dry in the story department. God I cannot get over your ignorance.

 

You laugh about them, and maybe that is the wiser thing to do. I pity them. The are alone in a reality of wolf eats wolfs, all fighting in an endless circle of anger, fear and isolation. People like such never know the wonders of working as a team of trusted friends, of achieving things together and for a greater good and not merely rob those who are weak and live the existence of vultures. It is a pityful view of the world.

I hope Darkfall lives long, so they all are kept away with like minded people.

 

Are you freaking serious? I pity you because you clearly do not understand how PVP works. Player vs player fights are non-scripted events, they are different each and every encounter and unlike NPC's players can learn and adapt. Also PVP is not limited to just doing soley by yourself... in Fury I was in a clan who's speciality was 4v4. You could not even comprehend the amount of team work this required and the sense of acheivement when fought against the top teams was unimaginable.

You know what... Save your pity and gospel talk for your sunday school classes because I aint buying single god damn line.

 

I totally agree with you Brone. Fortunately for us PvP is the the logical future for mmos so we will be seeing a lot more of it. These guys want single player co-op games but unfortunately for them as mmos evolve its just not what they are going to be getting. Their narrow minded views are completely biased by all the badly designed PvP games we have been seeing so far and they have become jaded because of the ganking experiences they have had in those games. They just lack the imagination and foresight to be able to see the neccessity for PvP in mmos......but as they evolve and improve more and more people will start to enjoy them because afterall online games cant remain limited to single player game design forever.

Besides what kind of retard complains about PvP in a game about superheroes where the players can actually play the parts of the heroes or the villains?! How insane is that?! Why on earth would you NOT want to fight your OPPONENTS. It doesnt make any sense at all. Thankfully these jerks arent involved in making the games so their dumb opinions are worthless.

I pity them for their lack of vision and their inability to see the full potential of online gaming. They are like a bunch of old men who cant keep up with things.

Whats the point of logging onto an online game with thousands of people if you are only going to play against the computer and its braindead mobs? Basicly you are correct.....these guys are just shit at playing games which is why they only want to play against the computer. They cant handle random situations and the variety which comes from facing a human opponent. They want to see an npc opponent and press the same buttons over and over again every single time, knowing in advance everything that will happen because it makes them feel comfortable and cosy. Thats why they whine about how RPGs are about the story. Its because they want to focus more on reading stories rather than actually playing a game. They just want to click a few buttons to push the story forward and they dont care about interesting gameplay.......and the most interesting gameplay naturally comes from fighting a human opponent.

They also moan that PvP ruins the story which as usual from these guys is a load of complete bullshit. If it does then any form of combat should be removed so these boring guys can just sit there reading an online book........and this is basicly what they want their mmos to be. They want them to be online books. However thats not what I play games for. I play games to.....play games........so these boring armchair warriors can get stuffed because mmos are moving forward and leaving them behind. These guys are becoming the minority and a good thing too because its about time that mmos become more interesting and involving. I'm so tired of all of these shitty pure PvE games which are nothing more than simplified single player games with piss poor gameplay dumped on the internet. I think these guys should just stick with single player games because then they can focus on the storytelling without having those "iritating people" getting in their way and ruining their perception of fun. Either that or just stick to reading books.

ROFL thats just hilarious. You log into a mmoRPG to play with people to experience a story and build one of your own. And i am sorry i have never seen any pvp that was origional or different you meet a mage and meet 5 more later and thy all do the EXACT same thing, you meet a rouge and 5 other and thye all do the EXACT same thing. whatever some board has stated is the "best" combination of moves/abilities and NEVER do you see a near same level face off unless its 5-1 or worse. If people actually played these games looking for a challanging fight it would be fun but pvp players are complete cowerds by nature as been totally demonstrated in every pvp game i have played, wow, shadowbane, EVE and others. The ONLY pvp battles there are or gang fests or lowbie farming and thats it. Now you can justify yourselfs to a community but when it comes to playing the game your true motivations and characters will shine brightly.

And yes pvp destroys the story aspect because the only thing you care about is pvp, you skip movies get annoyed cause a quest has dialog to read and you tear about the chat channels screaming about how your going to pwn eveyrone and how you ganked that last guy over and over and its funny i have read many super heroe si fi and fantasy books and i dont see that in any of them. The childesh behavior all pvp players exhibit do nothing but detract for any ability to feel immersed in the game world and enjoy the stories created for the worlds.

Large swaths of Metropolis and Gotham City will be open to competitive PvP?  Yeah...I'm out.  If I want to PvP (which I don't--ever), then I'll go to the PvP zone, or I'll switch on my PvP toggle...otherwise, please leave me the eff alone!  Seriously--if I can get randomly ganked by "Teh 3V1lL c14n 0f 3vi1n355!!1!!11!" at any random juncture while I'm minding my own business, then that, in my opinion, is a shitty design decision.  SOE drops the ball yet again, big shocker there.  Although, must give props for moving away from the static mannequin mission-giving mannequins that every other MMO uses.  That's one big thing that bugs me about City of Heroes/Villains.  "C'mon, seriously?  Statesman is level 53 & soloed a Rikti mothership, but he really needs US to go do this random world-saving thing?!?  Oh, and did I mention he's standing around with his thumb up his ass?"  Riiight.  So, +5 for mission-giver originality, -2 billion for vast swaths of open-world PvP.

I'm not a hard-core PvPer, but I like to dabble in it.  I'm playing EVE Online right now, and one of its aspects that I enjoy most is its open-ended nature.  Explore, fight, make money - anything you want to do, any way you can think to do it. Part of that openess includes PvP, you can attack anyone anywhere -- but there's a catch. Each solar system has a security rating, and the higher the rating, the greater chance your attacking another player will bring the vengeance of the NPC police force, CONCORD, down on your  ship.

If DC Universe implements PvP the same way, I think that would be an excellent choice. Some areas of Metropolis and Gotham could be "safe" areas with an NPC police force to discourage PvP, but still leave it as a (probably suicidal) option to players. The "large swath of PvP areas" would have little or no police force to discourage fights.

I'd prefer this to a strict PvP/ non-PvP zone configuration, such as the one in CoX. It offers greater freedom for players, better play continuity (instead of being forced to zone to find a fight), and also introduces an element of risk which even non-PvPers might enjoy. What if  the route to your latest heroic (or villainous) assignment cuts through a low security / PvP friendly area? Do you take the long way around, or take the short cut?

Originally posted by Dotar_Sojat

I'm not a hard-core PvPer, but I like to dabble in it.  I'm playing EVE Online right now, and one of its aspects that I enjoy most is its open-ended nature.  Explore, fight, make money - anything you want to do, any way you can think to do it. Part of that openess includes PvP, you can attack anyone anywhere -- but there's a catch. Each solar system has a security rating, and the higher the rating, the greater chance your attacking another player will bring the vengeance of the NPC police force, CONCORD, down on your  ship.

If DC Universe implements PvP the same way, I think that would be an excellent choice. Some areas of Metropolis and Gotham could be "safe" areas with an NPC police force to discourage PvP, but still leave it as a (probably suicidal) option to players. The "large swath of PvP areas" would have little or no police force to discourage fights.

I'd prefer this to a strict PvP/ non-PvP zone configuration, such as the one in CoX. It offers greater freedom for players, better play continuity (instead of being forced to zone to find a fight), and also introduces an element of risk which even non-PvPers might enjoy. What if  the route to your latest heroic (or villainous) assignment cuts through a low security / PvP friendly area? Do you take the long way around, or take the short cut?

 

 

That idea makes absolutely no sense for a DC comics mmo. Why would the police try to stop a hero from beating on a villain? The problem with PvP from the onset, is it makes developers lazy. It is almost as if they believe that they have less work to do if they implement PvP. As if the customer fills the content in for them. That is yet another reason why I adamantly hate PvP. But no, the idea of an npc police force discouraging PvP would not work. Not even a little.
 

Originally posted by chazmyr

This sounds great, I'm waiting on this and Champions Online, I want to see which will be better :P

I'm not a HUGE fan of PvP, but I also dont shy away from it.  I just dont like the "ganking of lowbies" and people refering to it as PvPness.

Actually in an article I read they talke about a system there working on. Basicly if a High level hero/villan is in a lowB areas to long and/or picking on/ganking  the lower levels an actual DC hero or villan would come and intervein,but like i said thats just an idea they have at the moment. I think having some sort of PvP in zones and areas(and not just preset Q ups pvp system) is a good idea,it would not be a super hero/villan game other wise,not to mention form what the combat system sounds like PvP just plan sounds fun. Now how heavy that PvP should be is a toss up.

What I don't get is they have several videos and screenshots of people lifting buses but those type of character that are doing it do not seem to possess super-strength.

I wonder are they going to allow anyone just to run over lift up a building and smash people with it?

Either way the game looks good this and champions.

Originally posted by zaylin

Originally posted by chazmyr

This sounds great, I'm waiting on this and Champions Online, I want to see which will be better :P

I'm not a HUGE fan of PvP, but I also dont shy away from it.  I just dont like the "ganking of lowbies" and people refering to it as PvPness.

 

Actually in an article I read they talke about a system there working on. Basicly if a High level hero/villan is in a lowB areas to long and/or picking on/ganking  the lower levels an actual DC hero or villan would come and intervein,but like i said thats just an idea they have at the moment. I think having some sort of PvP in zones and areas(and not just preset Q ups pvp system) is a good idea,it would not be a super hero/villan game other wise,not to mention form what the combat system sounds like PvP just plan sounds fun. Now how heavy that PvP should be is a toss up.

This type of a system wont even bother the pvpers, like most games they will find a way to max characters as fast as possible without care for anything but leveling and scoff at the weak help that comes from their murderous rampage, oohh by this i mean the heroes, the villians will actually be mean

This game sounds and looks pretty cool. I'm so excited and can't wait til it comes out. As many other people, I'm awaiting both this game and Champions. I'm really waiting on this game though... it sounds so cool. :)

The game sounds ok. 

To be honest.. while the whole environmental manipulation thing sounds like its a change of pace.. its going to get old.  Beat someone over the head with a chunk of concrete...a streetlight.. a car.. a trash can.. etc..etc.. eventually your gonna come to realize that they are all just blunt objects..and you are doing a basic "bash" attack with them. 

Ive heard you can blow up combustible items and such.. which sounds interesting and all.. but that will get old as well.  You cant build a whole combat system on environmental manipulation.  And if you try and build some kind of half and half system where you depend on your powers AND the environment.. youre gonna have situations where the layout of the environment gets you killed.. which seems cool and fair on a forum but annoys the heck out of you when you are trying to play the game.

Its too early to say of course.. we will see just how far they go with the system..but every time I read about it they are saying the same things "pick up a bus and hit someone! pick up a car and hit someone! pick up some concrete and hit someone!"...whoopty freakin doo.

In regards the PVP.  They arent gonna force you into it.  No one does that anymore.  Dont get your panties in a bunch..your PVE will be protected. It always is.  And quit trying to ruin other peoples fun.  PVPers dont try to pressure developers into lessening hte PVE content.  Let PVPers have their content too.. everyone can be happy here.

Nice writeup.

Being Ex-DAoC, i really hope they can make RvR/PvP a massive and exciting aspect to the end game. Something Mythic messed up in WAR, and WoW like so many other "pvp mmo games" never even got close to.

Really excited for DCUO, hoping for open beta though as I was really excited for WAR only to be let down with end game.

Need try b4 you buy in MMO's

So I don't see how this is really anything but an updated City of Heroes. Is there anything special going on besides more and better same ol' same ol' beat the crap out of people with magic and melee, er, powers and weapons?

E.g., secret identities... working your sources... how about a neighborhood watering hole where you can see crime breaking out on the bigscreen tv and then run off to help? How about seeing yourself in the newscasts at that same watering hole after a succesful mission? How about a fully functional city where every door opens, every npc has a job and a life and actually remembers where and how you saved them that day last year?

I was on the original fanboi forum before City of Heroes broke out, and we submitted these and tons of other really groundbreaking ideas. Didn't happen then, don't really expect it now.

-Jumonji

Originally posted by Jumonji

So I don't see how this is really anything but an updated City of Heroes. Is there anything special going on besides more and better same ol' same ol' beat the crap out of people with magic and melee, er, powers and weapons?

E.g., secret identities... working your sources... how about a neighborhood watering hole where you can see crime breaking out on the bigscreen tv and then run off to help?

SOE is hoping to do something with Secret Identities

but no details yet

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/220032/DCUO-Source-Ask-SOE-5.html

Question #7
Q: Secret identities have been a hot topic at the DCUO Source forums, and while we understand that SOE has a policy of not talking about a feature until it is in-game and playable, the community is dying for any information on secret identities. Is there anything new in the way of information that you can give us?

A: Sorry, we can’t talk about it yet. I promise we have some really cool stuff in the works. I’ll have to refer you to the policy you mentioned in your question ?

regarding PVP

as has been said, there will be both PVE and PVP servers

on PVE servers, all PVP will be consensual

dcuosource.com/index.php/topic,29.15.html

SOE is also hoping to let players jump around servers to team up

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/223239/Allakhazam-impressions-from-NYCC.html