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This is the total failure of Darkfall. Is the game actually released? Their website doesn't suggest so, but yet news releases on gaming sites seem to suggest that it is. What is the truth? What are the features of this game? Is there an empirical list of features that someone can display that details the actual features of the game today? Or is there a list of "in development" features with a schedule attached? Does the company intend to support the playerbase the would like to play? If so, when will they allow people to play on demand? Do they have a schedule for expanding or contracting their exposure to the market to meet the demand, or lack of demand? ... Where is the transparency? Where is the full faith and trust in the consumer? This is what has doomed this game to third-world status. Its failure is not due to a presence of bugs...every release has bugs...WOW and LoTRO had their fair share and they were both highly polished releases. Its failure is not due to a lack of robustness and polish...there are plenty of games that can survive a pitiful start and achieve a solid and successful base. Anarchy Online and EVE Online were both horridly released games that went on to great things. Its failure is not due to it being a small independent company with limited resources. CCP, Turbine, Mythic...all small shops with a will to accomplish. It can be done, and will be done again in the future. No. It is a total lack of willingness to be open and share the trials and tribulations of this journey. There is little harm that can come from being forthright about the hardships on this journey, after all most people are well aware that this is not a game funded by the deep pockets of corporate interests. So why the silence? Why the shrouded mystique? What purpose can it serve to continue a veil of secrecy? It disempowers the partisan champion and only emboldens the cynics. Truth is the most potent antibody to the disease of misinformation. Being a small company is no excuse for this. It takes very little to communicate with the public...little more than a small amount of thoughtfulness and a small dose of faith in the community you wish to nurture. The smaller the operation the more important it is to maintain a very strong bond with the community you are hoping to foster. Instead, Aventurine offers a total disregard and mistrust for the consumer. Any self-resepecting adult with any reasonable experience in this world should know better than to allow themselves to be abused in such a manner. .... Demand information. Demand integrity. Demand equity in words and actions. Demand respect. And above all demand transparency. It is very easy to provide and the height of spiteful arrogance to deny. |
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3/15/09 3:25:58 AM#2
Originally posted by ianubisi
QFT. I concur. Total failure of Aventurine moreso than Darkfall. |
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3/15/09 3:26:59 AM#3
The truth is too hardcore to reveal. Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts. EAT ME MMORPG.com! |
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sorahitoshi8
Novice Member
Joined: 12/29/04
If you believe in Jesus Christ as your savior and aren't fraid to admit it, put this in your siggie. |
3/15/09 4:15:02 AM#4
well people say this game well overlord your face off |
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3/15/09 4:42:21 AM#5
OP, post of the month. Trouble is that AV are pretty low on the scale for those other things you mention too. Transparency, accountability, honesty (there is a line between spin and out and out BS that AV cross with impunity) goes a huge way to help mitigate other issues. |
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3/15/09 4:46:48 AM#6
Amen Brother! |
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3/15/09 7:53:06 AM#7
How on earth is someone going to attack this post? It speaks completely the truth. I was just thinking about the other day....why are they still acting they way they are now that the game is released? We see what is not finished, what is not polished/complete, and we see what is complete. Why still be so secretive? I am not a Darkfall hater, i just come to these forums out of interest of what is happening once in a while. But as i said, i was just thinking the other day how, due to the actions of AV, both past and present, if I were a customer (which I am not), I would actually have a feeling that AV was literally out to get me. Of course that is not true, but their attitude, conveyed both by their words and actions, gives me that strong psychological feeling that they are not just out to make a profit with customers coming second, like any other normal company, but they are actually a hostile enemy (and not one that is an enemy due to my feelings toward them, but due to their seemingly hostile feelings toward their customers). I don't know what AV is actually doing, nothing they do seems to make sense now that everything good and bad is out in the open and they are continuing as if nothing is out in the open, but it is a sad state of affairs when a company appears as if its sole purpose is to wage war on its own customers' knowledge of the game, regardless if that is true or not. |
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Theutus
Novice Member
Joined: 5/18/04
Achiever 33.33%, Explorer 73.33%, Killer 80.00%, Socializer 13.33% |
3/15/09 8:16:50 AM#8
They're not really being that secretive... I think info is hard to come across because they don't know how to get it out there properly. Every question you want answered can be found on their forums, you have to work to find the info though.
You can create an account below to purchase the game... which will be some time they aren't selling anymore until they lower que times... https://www.darkfallonline.com/accounts/f/default.php?pname=Homepage
Forum info about the game.. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=149310 The graphics are dated, but who cares. The sound is wacky until you set it up properly. You have to disable several video options in order for it be smooth. I have an average 70 - 100 FPS with a geforce 9800 gtx and 4 gig of RAM. The gameplay takes getting used to, but its fun. The AI can be a pain in the butt, which is fun. Roaming bands of PKers can be a pain in the butt, which is fun. I've run into one bug that is very aggrivating, the GMs replied within 30 minutes... It can feel very rewarding standing in an afk macroers line of fire, making them go rogue so you can kill them. I dunno I guess all I'm saying is I don't think people are really looking for answers as much as they are just trolling and bitching because crap isn't placed on a silver platter for them. |
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3/15/09 8:25:18 AM#9
Thetus, please don't confuse the issue with the truth. When I saw the title of this I actually thought it was about weapons not showing their DPS or something. It's hard to argue that they need to update their website. They should have bitten the bullet and hired a full time person to do that. It's pretty obvious that it's someone's "when you have a minute' job right now. |
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tombear81
Novice Member
Joined: 3/17/07
"Meeza spullon and gramma is ou me ma taut me. Yousa no write be nasta to ma speelin n a grumma !" |
3/15/09 8:38:57 AM#10
I wonder how the fanbots will try and subvert this post ? I completly agree with the OP. AV is simply pathetic. You don't even need to play or experience the game to see the level at which AV treats its own user base. They have even promised a new forum layout three weeks ag and STILL not delivered. Website is the same as it was pre launch. And there is not road map or wiki. Personally I think there might be some quite talented peopled at AV... though the way the company is run seems all down to one one. Lord Tasos. What a moron. |
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3/15/09 8:52:13 AM#11
Originally posted by ianubisi
Very well done post. I agree and it is 100% true. |
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3/15/09 9:11:37 AM#12
Originally posted by Kordesh
This^^ ...!
Tasos has way too big of an ego to reveal how incompetent Aventurine has become. ____________________________ |
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3/15/09 9:15:08 AM#13
It is very hard to change the 'culture' of a company very hard ineed. It takes major effort and must come from the top down with absolute zeal. To be honest the only way I could see it happening is with someone else at the helm, seems unlikely at this time. Compare and contrast with Mythic when they where a small shop releasing DAOC. Virtually every day there where announcements on pretty much everything that was going on, not one liners either paragraphs. Transparency epitomised. What was the CSR womans name that handled DAOC's releae Tanya, Tonya? I am having a senior moment. |
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3/15/09 9:29:09 AM#14
Originally posted by ianubisi
The game is released, chill out. Waiting for: Archeage - Guild Wars 2 - Everquest Next - The Elder Scroll Online |
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3/15/09 9:29:48 AM#15
If AV would have invested just a bit into its publicicty, show patch notes and give reasons and warning for every time they take the servers down ect. They be in a better situation. Infact if they had half a brain they would open up with the money they have made, yet another server and allow more players to join in. Niche game but it does have alot of people who will play it regardless the issues it may have. This game can easly have from 75k to 125k playerbase but more due to its concept of ffa pvp full loot than anything else. Only issue i have with this game is when the darn fanbois try to blow it out of poportion. If you guys love the game be like Parsus. You dont see him comming to these forums and exaggerating crap about it. He goes on and enlightens us with the features as they are. He alone has informed Many of us of the game without dissing other games or without making outrageous claims. Not even trolls can take a bite at Parsus and that speaks for himself. Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men. |
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3/15/09 9:33:18 AM#16
Originally posted by ste2000
The game is released, chill out. But on their website they mention PLENTY OF FEATURES that didnt make it to the game. Prestige classes, and plenty of other things i can easly take out from their faq and feature section. Learn to read, as in read the op's whole post before comming in here bashing. The dude speaks the truth when it comes to how AV is handling the matter. No warnings on server shutdowns, No updates to their webpage. Infact no Patch updates and when they will be applied.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men. |
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3/15/09 9:37:54 AM#17
AMEN TO ALL THE ABOVE! This post is everything I have been pondering about this game since launch. And every troll/fanboi has got to agree with this thread. Even if i could get a copy I would most likely feel like I was just bent over by tasos. Aint happening buddy. Maybe Aventurine is a small company of "gamers" who want to deliver for the gamer, but give me a break, aint happening. If you people in darkfall honestly dont feel like your paying to stress test thier SERVER then the fanboy force is stronger then i thought. Overall, I will wait a long long time before giving this company a dime. The way they handled the launch, the development, the constant down SERVER, the adding of more people to that SERVER,3-4 hour que times..... just unprofessional. How the hell are they going to handle the real stress of a modern day Vgame. Aint happening with tasos. |
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3/15/09 9:39:30 AM#18
Yup, that's Aventurine's problem, but Tasos is too arrogant to do anything about it. I'll be damned if they change, let alone adopt the level of communication that, say, Mythic has. |
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3/15/09 9:47:27 AM#19
Originally posted by maxnrosy
Well list all those features missing then. Waiting for: Archeage - Guild Wars 2 - Everquest Next - The Elder Scroll Online |
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3/15/09 9:52:20 AM#20
Originally posted by ianubisi Well maybe since they're a small company, their working on this game 24/7. They don't have time to waste a day on you arrogant people who want your games and you want them NOW! If you want a good game, your gonna have to wait. If you wanna be a crack head and waste their time so it comes out a month later, be my and other people's guest. Go play an f2p mmo if your so uptight about not having anything to do. It doesn't matter how it's released, if IGN rates it high, people will buy. It's just one of those things that you will have to understand, that IGN rules the world (of warcraft). |
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3/15/09 9:57:22 AM#21
haha ign did not review this game...no review companys did. Not even Euro ones. |
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DarthRaiden
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/20/05
i make art, Forum Terrorist |
3/15/09 9:58:19 AM#22
Originally posted by maxnrosy But on their website they mention PLENTY OF FEATURES that didnt make it to the game. Prestige classes, and plenty of other things i can easly take out from their faq and feature section. Learn to read, as in read the op's whole post before comming in here bashing. The dude speaks the truth when it comes to how AV is handling the matter. No warnings on server shutdowns, No updates to their webpage. Infact no Patch updates and when they will be applied.
We can work through the list Prestige classes - known that they will be out off release to DarkFall fans since April 2008 what else ? Darkfalls target audience is not someone who been used to get handhold..you clearly not target audience ..go find you anther game that offers you that..or increase your search skill ..because the piece of info about prestige classes was announced a year ago..
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3/15/09 9:59:28 AM#23
Originally posted by ianubisi
This is a great freaking post. Ianubisi for President, 2012 |
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3/15/09 10:00:21 AM#24
http://rr.pc.ign.com/rrobj/pc/object/16821/ IGN rating NR....1 Reader review giving it a 9.5 lol ooookay. |
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3/15/09 10:01:01 AM#25
Originally posted by qweasd170 Well maybe since they're a small company, their working on this game 24/7. They don't have time to waste a day on you arrogant people who want your games and you want them NOW! If you want a good game, your gonna have to wait. If you wanna be a crack head and waste their time so it comes out a month later, be my and other people's guest. Go play an f2p mmo if your so uptight about not having anything to do. It doesn't matter how it's released, if IGN rates it high, people will buy. It's just one of those things that you will have to understand, that IGN rules the world (of warcraft).
They charge just as much as AAA companies, if you alllow to be treated like a piece of poo by a company that charges as much as the big guys on the pretext that they're an indie company trying to do something different for a niche playerbase, then I don't think there's any point in arguing, because its obvious that we're on very different wavelenghts. The rules of Debate are really simple; once you have to stoop to insults instead of facts, logic, or reason to try and win your argument, you've lost. |
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