Don't be mad at Sofail, there are always people who have different opinions.

When Sofail creates EVE Pwniversity, or something else where he can teach his PvP secrets, we'll make a thread in 5 years for him.

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

Don't be mad at Sofail, there are always people who have different opinions.

When Sofail creates EVE Pwniversity, or something else where he can teach his PvP secrets, we'll make a thread in 5 years for him.

I'm not a people person :(.

By which I mean, I have no intention of sharing what I do in Eve with other people (the guide I was writing that is stagnating on an external somewhere off the west coast of Scotland seems to prove this). It's not about proving that you can do better, because it's a corporation with multiple "instructors" against an individial, all of who have different mindsets.

Which is why people are failing in this thread.

Originally posted by Sofail

 The use of proof or STFU as a counterpoint in this discussion is both immature and a cry for help.

 

Voicing mindless support for Eve University without actually quantifying your remarks, especially when they get a lot more bad press than they do good, does not do the corporation justice, if justice is needed. All it does is make you look like a mindless drone, spouting the same hyped up propaganda that many of the "Ivy League fanclub" feel the need to preach to anyone and everyone that is listening.

 

Thus and therefore I will not be subscribing to your childish attempt at a counterargument which, purely from the perspective it is voiced, is a logical fallacy in it's own right. Older players trying to get people to join a corporation that educates newcomers in outdated combat practices and dangerously thin mission running information does not constitute an education. If it makes you successful, sure, advertise that, but don't be surprised when people turn around and point out that the advertising which you are spouting with such enthusiasm isn't up to scratch.

 

As far as your proof or STFU comment though, I believe the only response that you will understand is NO U. I don't feel the need to justify myself to you just to preserve my e-honour, and it certainly does not mean that I don't have a leg to stand on. You've created your very own little oxymoron saying that it's ok for people to have their own opinion, but it's not ok for them to voice it if it's incorrect by your standards.

 

I believe the term is fanboy, is it not?

/edit: spellings :V

I never said EVE uni is doing it either right or wrong, it isn't the point. It is not mindless support, rather, I commend them for trying and doing even if they failI. I also never said that you automaticaly don't know anything. You coul'd be the most knowledgeable person out there for all I know - both options are irrelevant. What is relevant, that there is a group of people trying to teach other people something.

Even if they are not doing everything totaly right, which is debatable on it's own because we all know there is more than one way to skin a cat in this game, they are still doing much more than you do.

Criticising other oeople's effort is very easy - making an effort yourself is much harder and takes more energy - and you take a spotlight by doing it so other people that don't make the same effort feel they have the right to criticise, and the obligation to "correct" what you are doing wrong, while  not being prepared to put up and do it themselves.

We can start from the notion that yes - by taking some action, you are more or less certanly going to do things wrong and make mistakes. On the other hand however, you are also bound to do some things good. By doing nothing, you are safe from mistakes, out of the spotligh and out of reach of  other people's criticism , however you are not doing any good either because you are not doing anything. 

Like Bruticus said, when you create the EVE Pwniversity and run it for 5 years, you come here and tell us and I will take everything I said back.

You can also join EVE uni, share your knowledge with them and help them correct the obvious mistakes that you think they are doing - That is an effort and at that point you will deserve to be commended even if you fail.

tried to join but they aren't taking anyone in due to being wardec'd : /

Sofail,
I can' really see what your issue is.

You have the right to disagree with EVE Uni training program as much as I can never acknowledge empire wars being PvP. What's the point then?

There are as many oppinions how to PvP as there are players. EVE Uni is offering just one type of oppinion - take it or leave. The basics and mechanics you will get tought are the same no matter how you obtain them. There are different ways how you can learn to play and find out what play style suits you the best. No path is right for everyone.

I think that sofia's problem is that blobbing is detrimental to pvp skill and really is hurting the pvp side of the game.

when the answer to "how do i win this fight" is not a clever fleet manouver, or unexpected target calling or simply having a great gang behind you full of battlehardened pilots but simply "i shall bring a fleet that outnumbers theirs so much that they have no chance at victory" you see no skill development in your pilots and people start avoiding fights. thats not a good thing.

eventually everyone ends up banding together in naps and refusing to engage in a fight unless its a massive lagfest with capital support, and that shuts out anyone who isnt a member of a massive powerblock.

teaching newbies to pvp by blobbing just ensures that when they graduate they will continue with the same old habits.

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Originally posted by Xennith
I think that sofia's problem is that blobbing is detrimental to pvp skill and really is hurting the pvp side of the game.

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So is gate/station camping and hunting noobs or ratters.
You can't blame EVE Uni for game mechanics.

EVE University are exploiters that wardec themselves with alt corps until it will cost billions to wardec themselves and then they just make their alt wars mutual to avoid the costs.

Grats to EvE University. Though I've never used them, what they stand for is good, despite some people disagreeing with how they teach PvP. Making the game easier to understand for new players in general is a great idea. Having player mentors help is much nicer than an automated tutorial.

"Criticising other oeople's effort is very easy - making an effort yourself is much harder and takes more energy - and you take a spotlight by doing it so other people that don't make the same effort feel they have the right to criticise, and the obligation to "correct" what you are doing wrong, while  not being prepared to put up and do it themselves.

Perfectly put. Wether or not it applies here, thats something to always remember and consider.

Originally posted by Sofail

Ugh, Eve University.

 

Such a blight on New Eden that I can't even begin to vocalize my disgust for what they do. Teaching people to blob and mission run isn't education, nor is it an accurate portrayal of Eve whatsoever.

 

I say that as someone who was part of Eve University for a couple of months whilst I still had the naive mindset that many newcomers have.

ahh the self entitled generation has spoken

I played Eve a few times and found myself at Eve University twice. Though I didn't enjoy Eve that much, thanks for taking your time to help new players! Take care!

Congratulations to EVE University.  It is the best place to start  your journey thru the EVE Universe.