But is this game a better PvP game then Guild Wars?

Think it can beat out GW's 6million$$ sells?

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Originally posted by jimsmith08

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by jimsmith08
 
im fairly in the middle about the game,im neither a troll or fanboy-although my opinions have unfortunately upset a lot of the more hardcore fanbois,though im not really interested in them.

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So says the guy with the "Order of the White Border" on his avatar, who had his fun going along with the "vaporware" trolls who have now made new accounts to bash the game anonymously now because of their embarrassment of being so wrong about it.

Really, you should remove that if you want to try and pass for some type of "balanced" reviewer of Darkfall, or wonder why you upset hardcore fans.

Kind of like someone wearing a swastika lapel pin saying he's not really biased against minorities, then goes on to give an "honest" opinion of the Holocaust Day activities.

 

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the order of the white border was a piss take on the rabidness of darkfalls fanbois,in the way that even the slightest bit of news would send them into a frenzied whirlwind of boasting and bravado. people like yourself,for example,who will pick at any even slight point in an argument and spin it over and over if they dont have any ammunition,again,much like yourself.
fanbois will also tend to use insults when backed into a corner or come up with bizarre counter arguments rather than face questions head on.much like yourself. by all means make a few videos of the amazing darkfall combat and put them up here, as all other videos so far have been declared smear campaigns by the fanbois,or if you can tuse that arguement,made by trolls and haters.or no,its a beta video,its nothing like that now!
I upset the hardcore fanbois because I havent spun the truth and told tall tales about the super advanced Ai and amazing combat,neither of which exist. ive been positive in other aspecst of the game,but of course in a fanboi mind,any critisism however slight will be met with childlike insults,foot stamping and straw grasping.
the order of the white border is still strong my brothers,all those who defy the greatness of the saviour tasos and the almighty darkfall will be smite upon where they stand!

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Bad troll is still.. troll. No matter what someone would name it or describe it as.

Theres 2 core types of players for this game.

1. People who are playing.

2. People who log in, get killed, and whine about how it needs more stuff like World of Warcraft.

Dont worry you still have quite some time before the closed beta ends.

Originally posted by Briansho

Theres 2 core types of players for this game.

 

1. People who are playing.

2. People who log in, get killed, and whine about how it needs more stuff like World of Warcraft.

Bad game is a bad game. Not everything in the MMO world revolves around WOW. You would be amazed at how many have never even played it. The problem in reality isnt the game itself. The problem is what they spewed for the last year as a company about how it was all things to all players. Instead they delivered the worlds largest FPS map. This game could have and should have been on the original xbox and simply called a Hexen 3 with multiplayer.

I use to be in the iffy catagory on this game,  expected it to be dark and lightish but hoped for better.  Some people on this forum might of thought be downright fanboi,  but during most of those post i was just correcting their retardness.

After playing the game I am a downright fanboi now.  There are things people can comment about,  but calling this a failure of game is downright retarded.

Bugged AI has for the most part been fixed and PvE in this game is some of the best PvE I have ever had.  Most of the mob Intelligence is fantastic.

Queuing still needs to be fixed

Melee combat system.  It is simple but it works really well.  Their is difference in the weapons now and they are balanced.  Weapons people use to think were not balanced actually turn out balanced once skilled up.  You do not have a million special buttons,  but the 4 you get are actually all you really need.

The skill system in the game is a nice advanced version of the UO,  where you do something in it skills up.  But almost everything you do from running to swimming skills up so it has an effect on combat.   There is still grind for skills,  but you get to kind of choose your grind but you get into the nuts and bolts of the game rather fast.

I kind of wish the crafting could be better.  But like the melee is works and the economy surrounding it is top notch.

Originally posted by Xaaa

Originally posted by hubertgrove

I understand that the order and delivery system is proving to be horribly clunky, and that there is a lengthy wait to get in game. These might be just launch bugs.

As for the early game experience, character customisation is poor but the size and detail of the world is apparently spectacular.

There is very little PVE of any interest because the game focuses primarily on PVP.

As for the PVP, at low levels - and perhaps higher levels too - combat techniques are rudimentary and repetitive. However, people who have experienced PVP say that though it is simple the experience of hunting, ambushing, fighting, defending against or running away from your opponent is intensely enjoyable. At the moment, the prevalence of PKers is distorting the experience.

As for crafting, housing and cities, judgement is still deferred.

Is that about right? Is there anything else I - and other Darkfall potential players - should know?

 

Dude, what do you need to know?  Are you a miserable f*ck who would enjoy a MUD if it allowed you to roam free and gank people for no reason, living our your fantasties of being a criminal piece of trash?

Or are you a real gamer that plays a mix of MMOs, FPS, RTSs, and knows what a good game really is?

Look at this game:

Crappy sound effects.  Crappy animations.  Crappy GUI.  Crappy inadequate chat system.  No voice chat.  Weak monster spawn system.  Archaic combat system.  Huge queue times.  Lag.  Piss poor community.  No NA servers.  The list goes on

Sound is bad but not a game ruiner.  Animations are ok.  Download ventrillo.  Spawn system works well,  they are not around every corner but they are where they should be.  Alot more immersive and fun to hunt.  Do mistake a simple combat system for a bad one.  Its nothing revolutionary but it works extremely well with the gameplay and does require alot of skill and creativity in execution.  Queus are bad,  lag has not been and issue and i play with a 300 ping from korea.  I can respond with a block and block slower heavy hitting weapons with shield.  And there is no NA server because there was no NA release.  I like the UI also,  might be a taste issues but i ever got masterbatorial about WoW type UI .  Was ok but never thought much of it.

 

You have to be an idiot to call this game good.  And anyone who thinks this game is going to be fixed in less than a year is a complete moron.  Look how long it takes a REAL company, such as EA or Valve, to fix simple little bugs and balance issues in their games.  It takes MONTHS.  Here we are talking about an MMO developed by some dumb as$ skeleton crew company.  Think they going to have things patched up next week?  Think again.

Actually Aventurine has been very small and dynamic in responding to problems fast.  Big companies can suffer from burocracy and other issue

This game has attracted a worthless abusive crowd of players much like what you saw in UO and EvE.  Scum of the earth trash who wouldn't lift a finger for their own mother.

You are really not showing yourself to be above the fray.  I enjoy the people i play with,  might just have thicker skin,  but i think it has more to do with the fact the community in DF is not as bad as people think.

If you consider yourself one of those players, then fire it up.  Me, no thanks.

Hope I responded to your complaints.

The PvP,  siege mechanics,  Racial hatred,  world design,  spawn locations,  the simple combat system,  mob AI,  freedom of gameplay,  crafting,  and bug free gameplay are all done well or extremely well in this game.

Saying this game is not for you is something I can respect.  WoW and warhammer are both extremely good games i can respect but i admit they are not for me.  Because they are not for me does not mean I go trolling their forums calling them bad games  (yes i know df people do this also).

When it comes down to it darkfall is an extremely good game that I will stand behind as a player.

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Originally posted by gotha

 Melee combat system.  It is simple but it works really well.  Their is difference in the weapons now and they are balanced.  Weapons people use to think were not balanced actually turn out balanced once skilled up.  You do not have a million special buttons,  but the 4 you get are actually all you really need.
 

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The one thing I always wondered about some MMOs, is why you needed 50 different ways to swing a weapon when people only end up mashing six of them repeatedly because they work best, or perform the same action the same way under a different name. There are so many games that have a basic swing animations, but each result is convoluted.

You'll have one melee swing, where it gives your opponent -5% stamina for X amount of minutes and you +10.5% damage each time you swing it, another gives +5% to your armor defense but -10% to movement and -5% to your health for X amount of minutes and yet another gives +5% to your group for X amount of minutes. But when you look at the animations, it's pretty much the same swing. Then you end up with 10 hotbars of basically the same crap slightly changed, so it can be called "diverse" skills. Then people use just the same 4 macros in any given fight.

Whether intentional or otherwise, it sounds as if the simplicity of Darkfall that you can just go bash someone with 4 basic actions really frees you up for other stuff. I never understood all the clutter a lot of games add in just to make it seem "sophisticated" and then half of those abilities don't work right, aren't really worth the time it took to think them up, or get exploited in ways devs never intended.

Of course there should be diversity in skill sets, but usually in games its the same skills dressed up in different actions.

Originally posted by hubertgrove

I understand that the order and delivery system is proving to be horribly clunky, and that there is a lengthy wait to get in game. These might be just launch bugs.

As for the early game experience, character customisation is poor but the size and detail of the world is apparently spectacular.

There is very little PVE of any interest because the game focuses primarily on PVP.

As for the PVP, at low levels - and perhaps higher levels too - combat techniques are rudimentary and repetitive. However, people who have experienced PVP say that though it is simple the experience of hunting, ambushing, fighting, defending against or running away from your opponent is intensely enjoyable. At the moment, the prevalence of PKers is distorting the experience.

As for crafting, housing and cities, judgement is still deferred.

Is that about right? Is there anything else I - and other Darkfall potential players - should know?

This is possibly the greatest Darkfall Thread ever... lol

Ive played , quit it twice.   I think game would be fun if casting didnt require 24/7 macroing of trades skills... 

if anyone can macro, is macroing bad?

Originally posted by sevtron

whats a f*ck?

You get that after your wife leave you and takes the House, only she adds ed to it as well. Lol Now thats PvP mate 199%

Originally posted by Moaky07

You know the OP is getting a nice glass of irony served with a bowl of Shut the Hell Up. Pure Karma in action.

For over 3+ yrs, him and his fellow SWG vets have run their mouths constantly all over MMORPG.com....insulting anyone and everyone that would deal with SOE. Not for playing SWG...we are talking any SOE game. Spam and hate was the MO.

Now all of a sudden that it is something he is interested in, he is bringing up the fact of the chaos on the forums. Something he has added to all this time.

Truly priceless.

Although I gotta admit, listening to Darth whine is perhaps the funniest. They should of kept their vendetta to SWG itself, and not included other games like EQ and EQ2 to try inflicting harm...whose players had nothing to do with them losing their PRECioUs.

I feel sorry for the folks who had nothing to do with the vets, and are wanting to see DF succeed. For the other nimrods though, who would of luved to of had a nice sandbox, it will be fitting if this train wreck does indeed fail.

Couldnt of happened to a nicer bunch of misfits.

Next time I suggest paying attention to your own games, rather than trying to inflict harm upon someone elses. Cause as it stands right now, even if this game does survive, it will be a long time recovering from this abomination of a launch. Which is fitting for people that went out of their way to try and harm others gaming interests.

 

It is typical of you grotesque SWG stooges that you utterly misunderstand that the back and forth of this thread is precisely what I, a relative stranger to Darkfall, was looking for. I now have three pages of excellent pro and con arguments by those passionate for the game and those against.
 

Now, if you can please promise that you won't be playing this game - and bringing your abuse and low cognitive powers with you - that'll be a strong point in its favour. I'm just kidding, of course. I love you. Good luck.

Originally posted by ZANGFEI

Originally posted by sevtron

whats a f*ck?

 

You get that after your wife leave you and takes the House, only she adds ed to it as well. Lol Now thats PvP mate 199%

Haha yes hardcore RL full-loot pvp. When you stand outside your house cleanlooted, and the only thing you have left is a blessed wokpan and a toaster. I didn`t even get the car, but I was still a happy man.

I did play DF in beta, and I`m on the fanboi side. I have tried Darkfall, and I will play it if I manage to buy it.

Why? Because I love full-loot PvP, and I like what some of you call a bad community.

i don't there are fanbois anymore, there are just players & trolls. the trolls are super butthurt cause the game turned out to be good after all, and their own pet MMO still sucks. how else do you explain people who continue to post in the DF forum when they claim the game is bad?

Hahaha.. Darkfall.... Good.. Hahahaha.

Seriously. This game is the worst thing you will ever play. Only thing that makes it different from  Spellbinder / Magestorm is the use of skills and weapons versus exp levels and skill trees. The Darkfall world is just a big empty arena with nothing to do other than pking.

Originally posted by javac

i don't there are fanbois anymore, there are just players & trolls. the trolls are super butthurt cause the game turned out to be good after all, and their own pet MMO still sucks. how else do you explain people who continue to post in the DF forum when they claim the game is bad?

Actually there are probably more fanboys here than players(except when there are que issues of course). Players go play the game and have stopped trying to convince everyone the game is teh bestest. Where it seems the fanboys tend to beat the DF drum. Grant it the haters are no better.

Originally posted by javac

i don't there are fanbois anymore, there are just players & trolls. the trolls are super butthurt cause the game turned out to be good after all, and their own pet MMO still sucks. how else do you explain people who continue to post in the DF forum when they claim the game is bad?

Utter tripe.

When anyone posts anything remotely negative you call them a troll or hater.

in this thread www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/229368/Where-is-the-mobs.html , depsite the OP referencing a bug known to anyone playing thee game, and a bug they brought the serverrs down to fix yesterday in fact,you call him a troll and  accuse him of stupidity not knowing where the mobs are.

When I called you on it, you even blatantly say you knew it was a bug , but called him a troll anyway.

So you are either a liar, or have a lifetime ticket for the shortbus , but on both counts, covering up a bug you blatantly admit to knowing about is the very defintion of a fanboy. A dishonest one at that.

It's pretty straight forward really.

You look at what the people who are enjoying the game have and compare it to what people who hate the game have.  Then you figure out what you have and see where you fit.  If you don't have what the people who play the game have chances are you will probably end up hating it.

For Darkfall as it stands now the list includes

A system that exceeds the required specs.

A largish guild commited to the game

Lots of patients and time on your hands to deal with queues (although the queues seem to be shortening quite abit now according to those who managed to buy the game and play it)

A willingness to accept that to be mean your paying to play a closed Beta and to be generous your paying to play on a test server.

It would seem that the ones who enjoy Darkfall meet all these requirements while the ones who hate it generally don't have 1 of the above to help pull them through the game as it stands now.  So if you have all of the above read the positive reviews and see if they match your expectations and go ahead and enjoy yourself.  If you don't either wait till there are more servers or a free trial offer and then give it a go or look for something else that grabs your attention.