I can remember a time without games. I was very young but I do remember. So, for people like me, some 20-30 years later, I am very grateful to be alive to have witnessed the evolution of gaming. I am very grateful to be able to play any game at all. So, I don't stress.

Darkfall is a wonderful game but it is very rough around the edges and has not had a perfect start. But, that's no reason to get butt hurt and crazy over it. If the problems are too much for you to handle, either seek therapy or go play one of a plethora of games out on the market today and come back to Darkfall in a few months.

MMOs last for years and we have seen more MMOs stay in business than not. It is silly to think that because DF's launch was not good that it will automatically fail. Since when has such absolute black/white thinking become so prevelant? Since when have games become a form of a weapon that we use to bash each other in the head with in these forums?

Games are about entertainment. We really need to get back to that point.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Excellent post OP and without you haven't it intended your points got proofed by whacky troll responses..

Tho i disagree about 1 thing, most of the trolls, troll just to troll the company, they never tried the game, they aren't interested in the game..

MMORPG.com moderators deny top maderate this forum properly and these loosers take the presented opportunity to talk shit about something that's not themselves..

By properly moderation these Forum had the SWG board rules..and a forum only for posters who played the game and one for the trolls who havent played the game..

 

One good thing about these forums is the debate it allows.  Dividing the forums like this would  just be silly.  You could make this suggestion on Darkfall's actual forums and see how that goes over, but to suggest a division and more moderation because you think it deserves it is, again, silly.  The Vanguard forums were just like this when it launched and it was never segregated and neither should DF.

 mud vets can't handle fps combat :D

After reading through each of the previous posts, watching a few of the Darkfal videos, reading the Dev posts in regards to their game, and checking out the Darkfall homepage, I feel it is time to post.

Darkfall is an excellent example of how to not go about creating a game.  The amount of time taken in development has caused this game to be outdated at its "launch."  The first things I ever heard about Darkfall were full of praise, but unfortunately, it does not seem to live up to its own hype.  The videos certainly show it to have the awkward FPS style look, and the graphics are not competitive with the current market.  Many of the ideas presented and attempted in Darkfall have a future, such as a skill system where all skills, including weapons increase in rank with use (although even World of Warcraft has this to some degree, and personally I find that game to be an atrocity).  Properly handled PvP and consequences will find their way into a game eventually, but it seems to be the consensus that this game does not have it.  I have seen an FPS style PvP game handled properly, it is called Fury.  It runs on the Unreal engine.  The ability to build cities, claim cities, and destroy cities is fairly innovative, but not exactly revolutionizing.  The same goes for player created gear. 

In regard to the Dev posts, it seems to me that they are indeed a small company trying desperately to be professional, but in general, they lack experience.

The feeling that I received when browsing the homepage for Darkfall was that this game is a culmination of one gamer's desire to make his Dungeons and Dragons home-rule game into an MMORPG.  Being a veteran player of the Dungeons and Dragons game through its  many iterations, I can easily say that this game has the stink of Dungeons and Dragons all over it.  While that might not be a bad thing to some, I personally feel that Dungeons and Dragons Online is doing or has done enough in that mini-genre (I thoroughly enjoyed every moment I spent playing DDO). 

I have seen many aspects of the game I am currently designing reflected in Darkfall, and I thank them graciously for showing me how not to go about implementing certain things.

All in all, I feel that it is a shame that seven years of development were wasted on what could have amounted to a decent game five years ago.

Now then, don't get me wrong.  I was fully enchanted by the idea of this game when I first heard of it, and, designing a game that focuses on player interaction and combat myself, I recognize the niche that it was trying to fill.  I simply feel, after taking everything into consideration, that it has failed.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Excellent post OP and without you haven't it intended your points got proofed by whacky troll responses..

Tho i disagree about 1 thing, most of the trolls, troll just to troll the company, they never tried the game, they aren't interested in the game..

MMORPG.com moderators deny top maderate this forum properly and these loosers take the presented opportunity to talk shit about something that's not themselves..

By properly moderation these Forum had the SWG board rules..and a forum only for posters who played the game and one for the trolls who havent played the game..

 

 

oddly enough, that's not the swg board rules, because the refuge IS filled with people who have played the game.

 

and the op is a blatant troll post -- yeah, you agree that it's a great post... says something, says a lot and nothing good.

 

the bar's been set by ccp for indie games -- darkfall is just full of fail at reaching that bar.   i have faith that the world of darkness mmo will meet it... fanbois will defnitely not be welcomed. 

 

How was EvE two weeks in to release ?

Guess it had to fight less trolls ? people have given it a fair chance ?  

DarkFall is a good promising game and will make his way.

ok, this is seemingly an incredibly hard concept for people to learn and understand; but i will try again....

WE DO NOT HAVE MR. PEABODY'S WAY-BACK MACHINE, SHERMAN...  for those who weren't around for the rocky & bullwinkle show -- we have NO time machines.

darkfall was recently released.  if i choose to play WOW - TODAY, am i playing the wow that was released a few years ago, or the current game?  if i choose to play EVE - TODAY, am i playing the eve that was released years ago, or the current game?  If i choose to play VG - TODAY, am i playing the vg game as it was on the day it was released, or am i playing the game as it is TODAY?

what does it matter how eve was two week post-retail?  what does it matter how ANY game was two weeks post-retail, if we're discussing darkfall?

sure, you can find bad releases, you can also find great releases.  intelligent people will have learned from past mistakes, so as to not repeat them -- hence we have some good releases.  these intelligent people could be money lenders, publishers, whomever... if they've done their due diligence, they've kept up with the state of the game throughout its creation.

this game has potential?  great, let us know when it reaches its potential, until that time, a LOT of people are going to be playing games that HAVE reached their potential.  why? 

i don't know why... maybe it's something like... if you can have a loving, devoted, beautiful, caring, kind, understanding wife/husband (whatever your preference) OR you can have a dog that died three months ago and is stinking & rotting in your living room... which would you HONESTLY choose?

but, tbqfh, eve fanbois also weren't plaguing every forum on the internet for a year prior to retail release, espousing how eve was the greatest game in the universe, unlike darktard trolls.

"I have seen an FPS style PvP game handled properly, it is called Fury. It runs on the Unreal engine"

Hate to break it to you Velexia but Fury has been dead for 6 months, so that is not really a good example. They mismanaged that game and it was done by a company that was unknown outside of Aus. except for a RTS game and a model train simulator.

From Wiki "It was released on 16 October 2007 and was shut down on 7 August 2008. This puts the total life of the game at a little less than 10 months"

It will be interesting to see if DnF can outlast it though.

Originally posted by Consensus

 mud vets can't handle fps combat :D

Sadly most of the MUDs I used to play had exponentially more depth than Darkfall.

 The goals and more importantly the presentation of those goals have never been "modest". Quite the reverse. I have played MUDs and MMO's since Bartles original MUD in 1980. I guess I am not one of the hordes you speak of. I was bitterly disapointed with DF precisely because iit dosen't deliver or capture that experience. It is simplistic and pointless, it has no charm, that is why there are hordes of people whining and complaining. Funnily enough NP3/Farlan blamed exactly the same thing (the disapointed fans) for the failure of D&L .

Fortunately there are a couple of games on the horizon that harp back to an earlier era one which I have the privallige of testing (sorry, can't say which or I'd have to kill myself) it blows DF out of the water by a metric crapton. There is hope.

Anyway "Out of the Mouths of Babes & Children".......

I'll drink to that! I couldn't have said it better myself sir! The DF community is one of the most vile immature communities I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. The verbal abuse that goes on constantly on the forums and in ingame chat has to be seen to be believed. There is no good sport attitude going on anywhere in DF, the tone is very elitist and all the hacking that comes with them, you'll see carebear hurled at you for even looking at safe zones as you walk by.

Originally posted by Cydone

Imagine running this business, where your team has been working on this product for years on end. You are just a small company, with modest goals, a good amount of passion, and with your heart in the right place. You and your team are all avid gamers, been there all your life, playing. Now, at this point in time, your dream is about to come true, to release your vision of the perfect game. Not to the masses, by all means, who caters to the masses caters to the lowest common denominator. No, this is for the MUD vets, this is for those who can distinguish good wine from different districts, have read there fair share of world literature, and have the wisdom of a good amount of time on this planet, to sit back and relax, calmly, while everything around them wrecks havoc.

Imagine then, that this product, happens to fall in an industry where the vast majority of customers are hopelessly lost and immature children, young and stupid enough not to care, just old enough to pay. These are your judges. It is from the screaming kindergardens of the internet that you will be judged. This would give me a sleepless night or two. As such, you are now being judged by kids, who have no real experience of any importance, who have never been emotionally or intellectually challenged. A mass that are years and years away from any real life experience of any importance, that could potentially shape them into, thoughtful beings that can think twice, and maybe shutting tfu sometimes, just enough to understand, that not all things are what they seem by first sight. It is fair to say, there is more to this world than wow and britney speers.

I can only imagine how it must feel right now, to be Adventurine, with 200k kids banging on their doors, on their digital witchhunt, only out to destroy what is original and out of the box. Dealing out death and judgment, to everything that is not ordinary or easily understood.

I say to you, veterans of an earlier age, or people with common sense, take no heed of these hordes of fools, they might mean harm, but their sting is as soft as childrens tears. They will all grow up (some of them at least) and cringe at their mistakes.

Crybabies begone.

Patience and perseverance, take ages to learn, but with it, the world stays sane.

Good luck.
Cyd

Another fanboi. Quick, tag and bag, we can release him at the Aventurine delusional gamer preserve aka sandbox.

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