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Originally posted by WisebutCruel

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Originally posted by tman5

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

http://tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/TVNews/Articles/090312_live_star_wars_MH
Fyi, for those that would be interested :)

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From the article "There will be Stormtroopers, but no Jedi or Darth Vader will appear on screen.”
 
Yes.  And Star Trek Voyager was set millions of light years from the Federation, which is why it stood all alone with no crossovers from any other Trek show.
This may be the honest intent, but I seriously doubt the fans will accept a SW without the occasional glowbat.

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Apparently you never saw the multiple episodes with Commander Riker, Q, and a few others, then.
 
And SERIOUS Star Wars fans will revel in a Jedi-free Star Wars environment if it is during the time they were hunted to near extinction.
Star Wars was never about the glowbats, not really. The original Star Wars trilogy was about the classic fantasy of the Knight ( Skywalker ) rescuing the Princess ( Leia ) from the evil Wizards ( Vader and Palpatine ). It was good vs. evil, right vs.wrong, the people against a repressive regime ( there is a reason why the Empire uniforms look like Nazi uniforms and, of course, "stormtroopers" ).
In the "expanded story" ( Episodes I-VI ) it became the story of Anakin Skywalker ( Vader ). The story of a good man lead to evil, and his redemption at the hands of his son.
It was no more about the glowbats than Camelot, King Arthur, and the Knights of the Round Table was about Excalibur.
They were weapons, with their own mythos perhaps. But at the end of the day, they were just weapons. They were not the "soul" of the story.

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by "glowbat" he didn't mean just lightsabers. He meant what lightsabers represent, i.e. jedi and the force.

I can see there being no jedi around but will find it hard to fathom a star wars storyline that doesn't include the force. Without the force it mind as well be an action based seinfeld period piece with less comedy.

There's so much possible storylines you can do in Star Wars.  They all don't require The Schwarz to be Star Wars, either.

The bulk of the fighting, the majority of guys that "Got the job done" during the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War weren't done by Jedi / Sith / Force users.

Those saying you can't have Star Wars without Jedi and the Force have limited themselves quite a bit.

The force (jedi or sith) has to be present . Even if as a second liner. I do agree that the bulk of fighting (and even apparently executing order 66) was done by non force sensitive individuals. Yet the force is the "reason d'etre" of the war and most of the events. It does need to be present, but doesn't need the spot light.

the concept of centering a possible show in a bounty hunter can be pretty solid storywise. It adds an angle of neutrality that , for me, in terms of the narrative is very interesting to explore, if they get writers of the caliber of , for exemple,  J. Michael Straczynski.   

Originally posted by PreCU

 

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Originally posted by WisebutCruel

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Originally posted by tman5

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

 

http://tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/TVNews/Articles/090312_live_star_wars_MH
Fyi, for those that would be interested :)

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From the article "There will be Stormtroopers, but no Jedi or Darth Vader will appear on screen.”
 
Yes.  And Star Trek Voyager was set millions of light years from the Federation, which is why it stood all alone with no crossovers from any other Trek show.
This may be the honest intent, but I seriously doubt the fans will accept a SW without the occasional glowbat.

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Apparently you never saw the multiple episodes with Commander Riker, Q, and a few others, then.
 
And SERIOUS Star Wars fans will revel in a Jedi-free Star Wars environment if it is during the time they were hunted to near extinction.
Star Wars was never about the glowbats, not really. The original Star Wars trilogy was about the classic fantasy of the Knight ( Skywalker ) rescuing the Princess ( Leia ) from the evil Wizards ( Vader and Palpatine ). It was good vs. evil, right vs.wrong, the people against a repressive regime ( there is a reason why the Empire uniforms look like Nazi uniforms and, of course, "stormtroopers" ).
In the "expanded story" ( Episodes I-VI ) it became the story of Anakin Skywalker ( Vader ). The story of a good man lead to evil, and his redemption at the hands of his son.
It was no more about the glowbats than Camelot, King Arthur, and the Knights of the Round Table was about Excalibur.
They were weapons, with their own mythos perhaps. But at the end of the day, they were just weapons. They were not the "soul" of the story.

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by "glowbat" he didn't mean just lightsabers. He meant what lightsabers represent, i.e. jedi and the force.

I can see there being no jedi around but will find it hard to fathom a star wars storyline that doesn't include the force. Without the force it mind as well be an action based seinfeld period piece with less comedy.

Yes, but the difference between a "force sensitive" compared to a full out Jedi is like a Yugo to a battleship. They're worlds apart as far as abilities go. Hell, even Solo was force sensitive, hence his "luck". But Solo, as seen in themovies, was still just an ordinary guy.

And dammit, Solo shot FIRST!!!!

Originally posted by Dkevlar

The force (jedi or sith) has to be present . Even if as a second liner. I do agree that the bulk of fighting (and even apparently executing order 66) was done by non force sensitive individuals. Yet the force is the "reason d'etre" of the war and most of the events. It does need to be present, but doesn't need the spot light.

the concept of centering a possible show in a bounty hunter can be pretty solid storywise. It adds an angle of neutrality that , for me, in terms of the narrative is very interesting to explore, if they get writers of the caliber of , for exemple,  J. Michael Straczynski.   

The Force / Schwartz / Jedi / Sith do NOT need to be present to have a Star Wars story.  Some are more likely to see them, i.e. Pre-Galactic Empire, some not, i.e. Imperial era.  Some arcs that could be completely centered on things other than the Force:

* Clone Wars:  Follow the exploits of a Republic Commando team through certain points in the Clone Wars.

* Clone Wars:  Follow a double agent during the conflict, feeding information to both the CIS and the Republic, all while profiting from the war.  "Information is power," they say, and this double agent seeks to wield as much power he can and make a great living off it.  But he warily looks over his shoulders just in case the 2 warring factions catch on.

* Clone Wars:  Follow the story of an Outer Rim planet that withdrew from the Republic at the onset of the Clone Wars.  In the days of the Republic, it had long been neglected by the Senate and Chancellors.  Hit hard by numerous problems and increased / criminal / pirate activity (with the Republic Navy held in disuse and political inaction), the populace had grown resentful towards the Republic.  But the CIS held promise against the lethargic and forgetful Republic.  The people wholeheartedly threw their support towards the Seperatist cause.  Numerous groups volunteer to fill help fill the ranks of the CIS military.  We follow their story from the positive idealism from the beginning of the Clone Wars, to the realization as to how much the war costs them (against the Republic and the increased demands of the CIS in production and manpower), and in the closing months of the war, just how badly it may end up for them.  Especially with the news spreading like wildfire about the Republic being transformed into something new...

* Clone Wars / Imperial era:  We follow the life of a Clonetrooper who had first seen action in the last year of the Clone Wars as a member of the elite 501st Legion.  Coming into service in the last year, he sees more than enough action as a member of this very busy Legion.  We do get a chance to see him fight under the direction of General Skywalker when the hammer falls in Order 66.  We see his first hand experience as the Grand Army of the Republic is transformed into the Imperial Stormtroopers, and the vast changes that entails.  We see from his eyes as a Stormtrooper striving to ensure peace and order is maintained in the  Galactic Empire.  We see from his eyes the surprising rise of the Rebellion and the Empire's furious attempts at crushing it.  We see from his eyes and experiences as member of the prestigious 501st the numerous combat and policing actions required of its Troopers.  We can take his experiences all the way to Hoth (the high point in ESB?) and surviving the debacle at Endor, witnessing the unravelling and splintering of the Empire he long and proudly served.

* Imperial era: Follow the history of a Rebel starfighter group.  This squadron is among the first formed in the fledgling "Alliance to Restore the Republic."  Stuck with Z-95 fighters and the sturdy Y-Wing bombers, we can see the actions of this group throughout the Galactic Civil War.  We can see them trade away their old Z-95's for the new X-Wings.  We can see them take on the hordes of TIEs and the powerful warships of the Imperial Navy.  Always on the move, wary of being stationary for too long in a base, for the Empire could barge in anytime.  And always striking when Imperial forces are least prepared.

* Imperial era:  We follow the experience of a captain and his crew in the Imperial Navy... starting at the Battle of Endor (let's start with a bang).  In what should have been a lopsided and Rebellion crushing victory for the Empire, the battle completely turns around into the worst possible outcome for the Imperials.  The heads of the Empire... BOTH the Emperor and Lord Vader!... are now dead.  The Executor is lost, and with it Adm.Piett.  The loss of another Death Star with the untold loss of personnel and equipment aboard is even harder to fathom.  The chain of command is shattered at Endor for the Empire.  The battle fleet splinters and is being steadily overwhelmed by a vengeful Rebel Navy.  We follow our officer as he organizes what few forces he can nearby into an organized withdrawal away from the disaster.  They escape a relentless Rebel pursuit, but the Captain finds himself now as the senior most officer in this ad-hoc formation.  Communications with Fleet Headquarters at Coruscant is sporadic and confusing.  They too are wondering just what happened, but place him officially in command as Commodore for this "Task Force."  We see his story unfold into this chaotic era for the Empire completely shrouded in doubt, immediately after Endor.  We see him witness the splintering of the once omnipotent Empire into petty little kingdoms by numerous "warlords" who were once leaders of the Empire.  All while the Rebellion, high off it's tremendous victory at Endor, are seeking to push their advantage.  And what few truly loyal Imperial forces there are find themselves in between them and these "Imperial Warlords."

In a post Imperial period, yes I agree, you can "eradicate" the presence of the force from the story. But in a story arc that, from what we gather, evolves between EP3 and EP4, it is somewhat harder.

let me draw a comparison: trying to set a historical novel in Europe between the 9th and the 18th century without making references to religion is extremely hard. Same happens with Star wars and the force element in this particular period, unless we restrict ourselves to small stories (tales). In some sort of long narrative - and that appears to be the plan- most times you'll have to have the force presence, since it is the meta narrative.

what is happening? Palpatine is consolidating his political power, Vader is Palpatine's paladin. Moff's like Tarkin or agents like Isaard are raising as front figures but ONLY because it is beneficial for Palpatine. Senator Orgaana is raising vader's child and hopping both Vader and Palpatine don't put a foot in alderaan. Owen and beru probably don't have that awareness but Ben does. Yoda is hiding.there is probably a couple of dozens jedi scattered amidst the galaxy with bounty hunters and clones troopers searching for them. In some cases Vader also.

Every major event in that period is in one way or the other, connected with the force and those that siege it. One can get distance from it yes... let's say bounty hunter Kev'lar gets a mission to kill Amazing Avery, a dealer selling too much "age of conan"spice that is working for Jabba the Hutt, and has to infiltrate jabba's palace etc.

But in the long term narrative, the force is, for this period, axial. The difference to the movies is that you don't need to have Palpatine shooting bolts from his hands or Vader using a lightsaber. In fact they don't even need to show up - tho I bet we will end up seeing Vader in some way , as the premise of audiences is too appellative and any actor can be used beneath the mask, and probably Palpatine also ( with a hood/cloak shadowing his face); since we all know they are pulling the strings. 
 

Having said that, I do hope and wish that most of the "content" will not be centered in jedi or sith, or have people using lightsabers left and right.

Originally posted by Dkevlar

 

Having said that, I do hope and wish that most of the "content" will not be centered in jedi or sith, or have people using lightsabers left and right.

 

And that is what i want to see, also.

We have six movies, and countless books, comics, cartoons, games detailing to death the Jedi and Sith.

I want to see the "normal" people and their struggles. The Mandalorians, the soldiers ( both Republic and Empire ), the medics, and yes even the Uncle Owens.

So many stories can be found and told in times of war. Stop focusing on the "elite" fighters, and show the humanity of the average grunt on the front lines.

Wow George looks like hes been hitting the bottle pretty heavy in that picture. Even looks like he was coming off a bender. That or hes on some pretty powerful blood thinners. Look at how much his capilarys are broken on his knose.

Originally posted by Dkevlar

In a post Imperial period, yes I agree, you can "eradicate" the presence of the force from the story. But in a story arc that, from what we gather, evolves between EP3 and EP4, it is somewhat harder.

let me draw a comparison: trying to set a historical novel in Europe between the 9th and the 18th century without making references to religion is extremely hard. Same happens with Star wars and the force element in this particular period, unless we restrict ourselves to small stories (tales). In some sort of long narrative - and that appears to be the plan- most times you'll have to have the force presence, since it is the meta narrative.

what is happening? Palpatine is consolidating his political power, Vader is Palpatine's paladin. Moff's like Tarkin or agents like Isaard are raising as front figures but ONLY because it is beneficial for Palpatine. Senator Orgaana is raising vader's child and hopping both Vader and Palpatine don't put a foot in alderaan. Owen and beru probably don't have that awareness but Ben does. Yoda is hiding.there is probably a couple of dozens jedi scattered amidst the galaxy with bounty hunters and clones troopers searching for them. In some cases Vader also.

Every major event in that period is in one way or the other, connected with the force and those that siege it. One can get distance from it yes... let's say bounty hunter Kev'lar gets a mission to kill Amazing Avery, a dealer selling too much "age of conan"spice that is working for Jabba the Hutt, and has to infiltrate jabba's palace etc.

But in the long term narrative, the force is, for this period, axial. The difference to the movies is that you don't need to have Palpatine shooting bolts from his hands or Vader using a lightsaber. In fact they don't even need to show up - tho I bet we will end up seeing Vader in some way , as the premise of audiences is too appellative and any actor can be used beneath the mask, and probably Palpatine also ( with a hood/cloak shadowing his face); since we all know they are pulling the strings. 
 

Having said that, I do hope and wish that most of the "content" will not be centered in jedi or sith, or have people using lightsabers left and right.

 

That's one of the things that gives StarWars its mystique I think:  the fact that while a war is being fought in physical terms, another one is being fought on an unseen level.  It's this unseen war, we come to find out, that is actually at the heart of the conflict, and many people flying around in their space ships and what have you don't even seem to realize it.  Even the imperial leaders think that the jedi "religion" is all but extinct.  I always thought that was wicked lol.

I also thought that would be the tone of SWG in the beginning tbh.  I remember when the whole jedi gig was shrouded in mystery, and there weren't any to be seen.  I think for the game to really fit in with the chosen time period, this is the tone that should have been maintained:  the rare appearance of shadowy figures, a sense of something bigger working behind the scenes, with players given an opportunity to play a part.   I'd have liked players to be agents of the sith or jedi and perhaps at the most learn to use some rudimentary force skills.  This wouldn't have evolved then into thousands of jedi running around, and it wouldn't have unbalanced the game with an alpha class.  It also wouldn't have turned the game into an alpha class grind leading to disappointment when the class nerfed to death.

I'll be interested to see how George handles this all in the series.  I'm excited about it ^_^.