Originally posted by girlgeek

 And I HAVE to laugh at that adorable little girl who says she "always makes more money than men."  You're either delusional or you don't live in the United States....or perhaps...both.  Have you never wondered why most corporations have a policy that forbids their associates discussing their salaries with other associates?  Or do you work at a fast food restaurant that has no such policies?  Do you realize that there are still actions being taken on a political level to help ensure that women are, indeed, paid equally for equal work?  Why do you suppose that still needs to be addressed on a political level?  Hmm....I wonder.

 For such a geek it is amazing you haven;t looked at our ages and locations  before addressing the women on this forum.

It's okay you haven;t been around here that long so you haven't kept up with our careers, though most people here are already fully aware of the fields we are in.  Sure in the past, women were oppressed, women had to fight for the right to make equal pay, but thanks to those efforts things have now changed for us.  I  refuse to eat fast food  why would I have ever worked at one of those places? ROFL! Not even when I was in highschool and had my own apartment and had to skip meals to make bills I did not eat or work in a scummy place like that! lmao. ANyhow I feel for you, you are a bit older than the rest of us, so you have most likely had to deal with some of the older generations issues that we have not.  Now days women can and do walk in and are hired on at a higher position and pay than the men, and I know this for a fact because I was signing the paychecks.  Even the Female doctors and nurses were making more than their male counterparts.  

Now I am not saying that it is always the case, but I am fierce when ti came to salary negotiations.. and even when I had employers try to undercut me I gave them the reason why I am worth more money.  ( and no it is not sleeping your way to the top) . That i think is the biggest issue here, most women just accept what they are given, you have to fight for it if you want it. I know I did. I never had an interview that I didn't get the job, I never took no for an aswer, I am one of those that walked up to the boss and demanded more money if I thought I deserved it, and never once was I refused. 

Actually I am glad that we cannot discuss the difference in salary because it would have upset many men to know that I came in making more starting than they did after working there for 15 years .

I know that this is still being battled out politcally, but it also has to be battled out by each and everyone of us. I am a firm believer that we have no reason to complain about something if we allow it to happen. We have to take control over our own lives and tell them how it is rather than just accept what we are given. 

I had one employer tell me " you surprised me, I didn;t think you had it in you" after I demanded a raise, and 3 days later I not only received another raise I received a promotion.  It can happen girls, it is happening girls.. we just have to make it happen ourselves and not expect others to handle it for us.

Some examples of jobs where women make more than men:

Position                                                                             women       men       percentage women

                                                                                                                                    make higher

Sales engineers                                                               $89,908   $62,660   43%
Statisticians                                                                       $49,140   $36,296   35%
Legislators                                                                         $43,316   $32,656   33%
Other transportation workers                                          $43,160   $33,124   30%
Automotive service technicians and mechanics         $40,664   $31,460   29%
Speech-language pathologists                                      $45,136   $35,048   29%
Library assistants, clerical                                               $23,608   $18,512   28%
Motion picture projectionists                                            $35,412   $27,924   27%
Helpers, construction trades                                            $26,936  $21,736   24%
Funeral services workers                                                  $30,108  $24,492   23%
Motor vehicle operators, all other                                      $22,412  $18,252  23%
Baggage porters, bellhops and concierges                   $26,468   $21,684  22%
Biological technicians                                                         $32,292  $26,364   22%
Telephone operators                                                           $22,152  $18,356   21%
Food batchmakers                                                               $27,872  $23,400   19%
Rolling machine setters, operators, and tenders,         $29,692  $25,064   18%
Financial analysts                                                                $69,004  $58,604   18%
Personal care and service workers, all other                 $19,864  $17,160   16%
Meter readers, utilities                                                         $36,348  $31,668   15%
Tool and die makers                                                            $46,228  $40,144   15%
Library technicians                                                                $33,384  $29,328   14%
Crossing guards                                                                   $18,824   $16,640   13%
Information and record clerks, all other                            $29,484  $26,312    12%
Telecommunications line installers and repairers        $40,716   $36,348   12%
Aerospace engineers                                                           $78,416   $70,356   11%
Radiation therapists                                                             $59,124   $53,300   11%
Automotive body and related repairers                             $30,888   $28,132   10%
Other education, training and library workers                  $46,176   $42,120   10%
Human resources assistants,                                            $30,420   $28,028   9%
Precision instrument and equipment repairers              $40,612   $37,648   8%
Gaming services workers                                                    $24,076   $22,308   8%
Engineering managers                                                        $82,784   $76,752   8%
Agricultural and food scientists                                          $41,704   $39,156   7%
Aircraft structure, rigging and systems assemblers      $28,652   $26,676   7%
Residential advisers                                                            $24,492   $23,036   6%
Supervisors, protective service workers, all other          $34,684   $32,656   6%
Surveying and mapping technicians                                 $34,840   $32,864   6%
Lifeguards and other protective service workers            $19,188   $18,356   5%
Advertising and promotions managers                            $42,068   $40,144   5% 
 money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi_paytable/index.htm

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by girlgeek

 And I HAVE to laugh at that adorable little girl who says she "always makes more money than men."  You're either delusional or you don't live in the United States....or perhaps...both.  Have you never wondered why most corporations have a policy that forbids their associates discussing their salaries with other associates?  Or do you work at a fast food restaurant that has no such policies?  Do you realize that there are still actions being taken on a political level to help ensure that women are, indeed, paid equally for equal work?  Why do you suppose that still needs to be addressed on a political level?  Hmm....I wonder.

 For such a geek it is amazing you haven;t looked at our ages and locations  before addressing the women on this forum.

It's okay you haven;t been around here that long so you haven't kept up with our careers, though most people here are already fully aware of the fields we are in.  Sure in the past, women were oppressed, women had to fight for the right to make equal pay, but thanks to those efforts things have now changed for us.  I  refuse to eat fast food  why would I have ever worked at one of those places? ROFL! Not even when I was in highschool and had my own apartment and had to skip meals to make bills I did not eat or work in a scummy place like that! lmao. ANyhow I feel for you, you are a bit older than the rest of us, so you have most likely had to deal with some of the older generations issues that we have not.  Now days women can and do walk in and are hired on at a higher position and pay than the men, and I know this for a fact because I was signing the paychecks.  Even the Female doctors and nurses were making more than their male counterparts.  

Now I am not saying that it is always the case, but I am fierce when ti came to salary negotiations.. and even when I had employers try to undercut me I gave them the reason why I am worth more money.  ( and no it is not sleeping your way to the top) . That i think is the biggest issue here, most women just accept what they are given, you have to fight for it if you want it. I know I did. I never had an interview that I didn't get the job, I never took no for an aswer, I am one of those that walked up to the boss and demanded more money if I thought I deserved it, and never once was I refused. 

Actually I am glad that we cannot discuss the difference in salary because it would have upset many men to know that I came in making more starting than they did after working there for 15 years .

I know that this is still being battled out politcally, but it also has to be battled out by each and everyone of us. I am a firm believer that we have no reason to complain about something if we allow it to happen. We have to take control over our own lives and tell them how it is rather than just accept what we are given. 

I had one employer tell me " you surprised me, I didn;t think you had it in you" after I demanded a raise, and 3 days later I not only received another raise I received a promotion.  It can happen girls, it is happening girls.. we just have to make it happen ourselves and not expect others to handle it for us.

 

Some examples of jobs where women make more than men:

Position                                                                             women       men       percentage women

                                                                                                                                    make higher

Sales engineers                                                               $89,908   $62,660   43%
Statisticians                                                                       $49,140   $36,296   35%
Legislators                                                                         $43,316   $32,656   33%
Other transportation workers                                          $43,160   $33,124   30%
Automotive service technicians and mechanics         $40,664   $31,460   29%
Speech-language pathologists                                      $45,136   $35,048   29%
Library assistants, clerical                                               $23,608   $18,512   28%
Motion picture projectionists                                            $35,412   $27,924   27%
Helpers, construction trades                                            $26,936  $21,736   24%
Funeral services workers                                                  $30,108  $24,492   23%
Motor vehicle operators, all other                                      $22,412  $18,252  23%
Baggage porters, bellhops and concierges                   $26,468   $21,684  22%
Biological technicians                                                         $32,292  $26,364   22%
Telephone operators                                                           $22,152  $18,356   21%
Food batchmakers                                                               $27,872  $23,400   19%
Rolling machine setters, operators, and tenders,         $29,692  $25,064   18%
Financial analysts                                                                $69,004  $58,604   18%
Personal care and service workers, all other                 $19,864  $17,160   16%
Meter readers, utilities                                                         $36,348  $31,668   15%
Tool and die makers                                                            $46,228  $40,144   15%
Library technicians                                                                $33,384  $29,328   14%
Crossing guards                                                                   $18,824   $16,640   13%
Information and record clerks, all other                            $29,484  $26,312    12%
Telecommunications line installers and repairers        $40,716   $36,348   12%
Aerospace engineers                                                           $78,416   $70,356   11%
Radiation therapists                                                             $59,124   $53,300   11%
Automotive body and related repairers                             $30,888   $28,132   10%
Other education, training and library workers                  $46,176   $42,120   10%
Human resources assistants,                                            $30,420   $28,028   9%
Precision instrument and equipment repairers              $40,612   $37,648   8%
Gaming services workers                                                    $24,076   $22,308   8%
Engineering managers                                                        $82,784   $76,752   8%
Agricultural and food scientists                                          $41,704   $39,156   7%
Aircraft structure, rigging and systems assemblers      $28,652   $26,676   7%
Residential advisers                                                            $24,492   $23,036   6%
Supervisors, protective service workers, all other          $34,684   $32,656   6%
Surveying and mapping technicians                                 $34,840   $32,864   6%
Lifeguards and other protective service workers            $19,188   $18,356   5%
Advertising and promotions managers                            $42,068   $40,144   5% 
 money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi_paytable/index.htm

That's what we get for letting you go out of the kitchen:P (lol of course I am  jk just so I won't get my arse kicked)

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm you forgot this though that explains it a bit further:)

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Originally posted by sniperg

That's what we get for letting you go out of the kitchen:P (lol of course I am  jk just so I won't get my arse kicked)

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm you forgot this though that explains it a bit further:)

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LOL! you do realize that you quoted that link is the link in my post right above it ? lol  After dealing what I have dealt with in the workforce, I think it is more of a problem of women not asserting themselves and demanding what they deserve moreso than anything else. We have to Take it if we want it otherwise of course they will not "give" it to us. don't make me chase you around like an ANgry greek! haha!
 

Being assertive and taking what you want rather then waiting for it applies to everybody, not just women at the work place.  Nothing in life is free.

Originally posted by Vendayn

I dunno what the last pages are, only read the 9th page,...but no use in arguing with deviliscious, her opinion is moot. Shes sexist

 

like arguing with a racist about racism...no point

more like she's childish

The so-called pay gap results from a few factors:

(1) women choosing different jobs from men (that is, jobs that allow more flexible time, are less physically demanding, are less hours intensive, or are otherwise what women "want to do to make a difference" ... whereas men tend to go for thr best paying job they can find, period)

(2) women at the same exact position as a man choose to work less, be on part time more often, request flex time more often, and so forth -- resulting in lower pay

(3) women stopping out for a few years from working full time due to their desire to stay with the kids in the tender years (surveys later compare these women to their age peers when they re-enter the workforce, and of course they earn less because their age-peers have more seniority at work than they do).

And ultimately, all of these disparities could be avoided if more women both (a) chose jobs on the strict basis of what they paid, rather than "I want to help people" type criteria and (b) women married men who would be happy to stay home and take care of the kids (rather than the current scheme where even very high achieving and earning women will not marry men who are not at least as successful, financially, as they are).

Enacting laws around this would only serve to subsidize female mate selection, at the end of the day -- which is not a good use of government funds.

Being able to date the superior sex! It sucks being a guy because we're forced to date the lesser gender :(.

Originally posted by Vendayn

I dunno what the last pages are, only read the 9th page,...but no use in arguing with deviliscious, her opinion is moot. Shes sexist

 

like arguing with a racist about racism...no point

aww I am not that bad .. LOL it's all in fun.  I love men  .. when they behave!

Originally posted by Vendayn

like arguing with a racist about racism...no point

That made no damn sense.

Originally posted by Illius

Being assertive and taking what you want rather then waiting for it applies to everybody, not just women at the work place.  Nothing in life is free.

I agree, many women and men do not assert themselves, allowing them to get walked on.  More women than me because they are usually less aggressive.  Though there are exceptions in  both.

you can wear girl clothes and guy clothes :]

you can benefit a lot from others in mmorpg, so always my male friends act as a girl in the game

I actually asked probably half a dozen of my female friends about  this. Most of them couldn't answer it, which was a shame. The answers I did get back were:

"You can wear guy clothes and girl clothes."

and

"You have an excuse to act like a jerk once a month.. even if you aren't on your period."

you can cry whenever and whereever, not afraid of being laughed at

you can hook up at any time.

poor guys have to work and work and kiss ass and hope for that .004% chance the girl is dumb,desperate, or drunk enough to say ok.

average looking girl can just go to most guys when the pub is shutting down, point at him and say lets go.

sitting down to pee??
 

OH SNAP!

hmmm....this question is...hard to answer. I think it is good to be a girl when comes to  public,  girls are always can be viewed as  "stupid " or someting when they made mistakes. But as a boy, oh.  " idiot, asshole " is always the respectful form of address for ya.

You can make a thread that should have died atleast 7 pages ago?

if i were a girl, i'd be a lipstick lesbian, and i wouldn't be able to keep my hands and fingers off of myself, and out of myself. º¿º i'd only be into other feminine lesbians, or bisexual chicks, too.

...Still... Standing by my original suggestion that girls have easy multiple orgasms ... at times.

On another subject.. There should be a vote for queen of the OT forum.  Since... you know... girls rule??

.....Ha.  Oh I crack myself up sometimes.