Originally posted by Ebonyfly

I have never wished ill on an MMO before but Vanguard is sorely testing me.

I guess SoE are banking on the revenue from cash shops exceeding the subscriptions they lose from players who find it game breaking. I hope they are proved wrong for the sake of the genre.

I am not so optimistic. The fact that they have ALREADY tried in on EQ2 seems to indicate that it is indeed a money money. Remember that implementing this is NOT costless. If they are willing shelf out the costs, it must mean that they believe that it will make money.

And if they have already been running RMT in EQ2 for a while, it is hard to believe it is not making money for them, if they are expanding the operations.

Originally posted by Kungaloosh1

I truly despise John Smedly. He makes Brad McQuaid look like a saint.

 

At least when Brad screws up it is because he is trying to make a good game. 

Smed/SOE could care less what their actions do to their games and the communities that have developed. 

This is a great idea. Now all the people who have quit VG have a legal place to go sell their stuff.

I knew SOE would turn things around somehow! I'd been sitting on my VG account for months, considering it totally worthless and time wasted. This is a fantastic idea as far as I'm concerned.

Oh wait...nobody's gonna be buying accounts for this fucked up heap, are they? DAMN YOU SOE!

nt

Uh, I dont get it.

So, this system is actually just a real money auction house?

And people are getting their panties in a bunch because they think its an Item Mall?

Im not for it but Im not going to quit simply because they implement some kind of legal eBay thing.

I would say its foolish to throw a tantrum and overreact but why, that would be like asking the tide to stop.

The really sad part is that people that are new to the game might actually believe these sensationalist headlines meant to spread misinformation.

Like many other players canceled my sub and i won't pay again for a soe game.  like Lethal, I think RMT is cheating, no more no less. I won't play DFO because of illegal cheaters and macro ers, I can't play VG because of legal cheaters. I can say I was a SOE's MMORPGS fan (played SWG, VG and some time, EQ2, played POTBS) now you can call me a SOE HATER.

This game is really great but I stop because of many many many things: SOE did nothing for this game, nothing. No addon, no boxes, very very small team, low funds (plenty of bugs still there 2 years after the release: VG looks like more a beta than a release), and now, RMT in all servers. They did NOTHING, players are waiting for POTA since months... against of POTA they have.. RMT.

NO
NEVER

Stay away. 

RED FLAG.

Originally posted by ougarit

 SOE did nothing for this game, nothing. No addon, no boxes, very very small team, low funds (plenty of bugs still there 2 years after the release

I know you are angry - and you have a right to be

but I disagree with this statement

SOE did 6 major updates, I listed links to the 2 most recent

update 5

www.massively.com/2008/05/29/vanguard-game-update-5-goes-live/

update 6

www.massively.com/2008/09/13/vanguard-game-update-6-goes-live-adds-free-trial-newbie-area/

and are doing a free expansion later this year with raised level cap of 55 and AA

www.allakhazam.com/story.html

The team is raising the level cap, adding AA's (Alternative Advancement) and implementing new raids and revamps to existing group content.

Not an addon but 1 Raid. Players waits POTA since maybe 8 months or more. Silius did a good job at the beginning, I remember very well because played Vg at launch then stopped and took another sub for GU2 etc ( a lot of bug fixes, khal's rewamp) so everyone could expect a relaunch .

Don't expect more than 1 dungeon/2 years and little things like fishing. because of $

What about NT's rewamp ? Leth Nurae's rewamp ? They stopped. Khal's rewamp was GREAT.I remember, but they stopped. because of $. 

What about diplomacy ? No more dev for it. because of $

2 years to create 1 trial, maybe 1 year for 1 dungeon...  then they "destroyed" our char's design. They look awfull now. Awfull. :( because of $

I'm sorry but I can't trust anymore Soe.

"the nature of the beast"/ agree.  $$$$$

SWG down

VG, down

next will be EQ2 for sure

Not sure why... But this DID suprise me... /ragequit... and I did >.<

Fing $OE and NC$oft.

who is left that dosent suck?

I have no problem with legal trading....

Here is what I have a problem with...  no cap..

So anyone can start a legitimate transaction... what will that do to the in game exchange?? Will there be any items it in or will everyone try and get real money for their items... why waste time with selling it in game...

Or will everyone try to make as much in game gold as possible and try to sell it for real money... will that drive all the prices(in game gold) up to where if you don't buy gold you wouldn't be able to afford anything?

I'm not sure how this benifits the publishers other than a reduction of fraud meaning less cost for customer support and fraud proection.. (not sure how much that is costing them at this point)

Without a cap I see a lot of people trying to make money playing the game instead of actually playing the game and contribute to the economy and social environment. All the ilegal companies out there now have a safe haven to expand and increase production. What does that do to the value of ingame items?? what does that do to the people that don't participate? I don't think we'll see the effects right away... but once everyone gets on the bandwagon we're going to see a ton of high priced (gold) items because anyone and everyone can buy gold.

And what about people playing characters they just bought? Starting the game at level 50 means there are going to be an increase of people that don't know how to play their class...

We are going to see people buying high level characters to farm gold and items to make money...

With out a cap this is going to get out of hand.....

SOE will make 10% off all sales.

nm

Cash Shop is a guarantee from me to the ALL game developpers that they will never see my business. 

A Game is a GAME, how much REAL LIFE money you can spend in a GAME should not impact how great or succesful you are in that game.

Originally posted by Yarisagos

SOE will make 10% off all sales.

thats it? I hope its more or else there is gana be hell from all the people quiting...

The forums are packed with people about to quit if this goes live. However, the moderators are out in force, threads and posts are being deleted at a record pace.

How many people actually sub to this game to make it even matter if there is a cash shop or not in the game ?

The tread on the the forums about this started 3/12 and is now 83 pages long.  So at least a fair number of people in the forums are concerned about this.

I don't support livegamer but I thought I would clear up some lies posted on this thread.

It is not a cash shop, it is livegamer which is basically just another RMT website, only the people participating on the website will not be prosecuted by SOE (not like they, or any other company ever has really done anything about the "illegal sites).  It is not a "real money auction house in game" , it is the exact same thing as RMT websites you go the website set up a sale and the seller delivers your goods.

Vanguard has not had a decent economy since most desired items were made BOP (bind on pickup).

No one is going to make any money selling any items in vanguard, the only items that could possibly be worth more than $5 are the very rare but BOE legendary items dropping randomly in SOD, and possibly ships due to the time they take to make.

Plat will be worthless, the majority of people at end game have no use for money, all "required" gear can be gotten from quests, and are BOP.  There are few things to spend plat on as it is, and it is incredibly easy to come by.  The only people to buy plat will be new or extremely lazy players who are leveling up a new character and don't want to be bothered with actually playing the game, and most of them likely already buy it from an "illegal" site.

Livegamer is a product of a disgusting trend in MMO development, and no matter what game it is introduced in many people will probably quit over it.  Most of them are the same people who have been talking about or at least considering quitting for a while.  It will also probably hurt the games reputation enough to scare away plenty of new players for a while, but hopefully once they release PoTA and the level cap increase more will come to fill out the population to at least current levels.

I wanted to resub but I won't in this case. What a pity ;/.

Is something going on with the Vanguard SOH official forums?