Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Respit

One would think that if Aventurine didn't want to hype Darkfall any further, that they WOULD update the website.

 

The way I see it, is if they did update with the current state of the game, it would actually de-hype it. then they could just focus on the issues at hand.

 

Right?

 

Just saying...

 

LOL, play the game and come back and let me know...

 

I do play it. I am not at all displeased with he current state of the game.

 

Just saying...

 

Lol, what makes you think I am not playing it?

Because I am not gushing all over the place about it?

 

Just because you are playing it and seem to be pleased with it, doesn't  make the fact that Darkfall's website is terribly out-dated and misleading, any less a valid point.

Noone is arguing that the web page is terrible out of date, this is a fact. Now you where making what point based on that fact?

There is your fault, as it has been the last 8 years or so..

Darkfall will just be another failed product in mmo history. This game will be dead by the end of this year.

I've seen commercial websites that haven't been updated since 2003-2004. 

The difference with Darkfall is that those websites are for small businesses that don't even sell through the Web but just maintain a site so that their potential brick-and-mortar customers can know about them, and what they offer.  If you are, say, a beeswax candle shop, how many times do you need to update your website?

Darkfall is not only a computer video game, which these days implies you have Internet access (unless it's also a console title), but it is an MMO, which requires it in order to play.  In fact, you can't even buy it except through the internet.

Which makes updating a website a priority.  Because information changes.  Because a release is taking place.  You indicate that the situation isn't the same as last December, or last June, or the summer of 2006.

The hype/non-hype issue is moot.  People know the game came out in February.  As much as you could say that this makes updating the website unnecessary, I will answer that having as latest information that the first wave of beta invites has been sent -- for a game that everybody knows has been released -- is downright amateurish.

It's not a question of hype.  It's a question of making a good impression.  If you're a tech company and don't even bother to spend 20 minutes updating a website, what does that say of you?  Makes you look sloppy, I'd think.

Please stop trying to defend them on this. They have no excuse.

Originally posted by Vetarnias

I've seen commercial websites that haven't been updated since 2003-2004. 

The difference with Darkfall is that those websites are for small businesses that don't even sell through the Web but just maintain a site so that their potential brick-and-mortar customers can know about them, and what they offer.  If you are, say, a beeswax candle shop, how many times do you need to update your website?

Darkfall is not only a computer video game, which these days implies you have Internet access (unless it's also a console title), but it is an MMO, which requires it in order to play.  In fact, you can't even buy it except through the internet.

Which makes updating a website a priority.  Because information changes.  Because a release is taking place.  You indicate that the situation isn't the same as last December, or last June, or the summer of 2006.

The hype/non-hype issue is moot.  People know the game came out in February.  As much as you could say that this makes updating the website unnecessary, I will answer that having as latest information that the first wave of beta invites has been sent -- for a game that everybody knows has been released -- is downright amateurish.

It's not a question of hype.  It's a question of making a good impression.  If you're a tech company and don't even bother to spend 20 minutes updating a website, what does that say of you?  Makes you look sloppy, I'd think.

Please stop trying to defend them on this. They have no excuse.

I hope they never update the site, in reality.

Keep the game niche. There is enough of a base of players, that will expand, to keep the game going a long time.

My opinion on the matter, anyway... 

Originally posted by javac

well the last thing they want is to create more demand when they cannot meet the current levels of demand.

 

give them time to create new servers one at a time and them start the PR & grow the game.

 

personally i love the fact they are focusing all their effort on providing as good an experience as possible to their first set of customers rather than try to lure in & sell the max number of boxes on release day.

says the guy who is no doubt playing.  I dont care whats wrong with the game, its over a week since launch and i want to play :(

The trolls and their threads !!!

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by javac

well the last thing they want is to create more demand when they cannot meet the current levels of demand.

 

give them time to create new servers one at a time and them start the PR & grow the game.

 

personally i love the fact they are focusing all their effort on providing as good an experience as possible to their first set of customers rather than try to lure in & sell the max number of boxes on release day.

 

Interesting that the children don't seem, or simply refuse to understand this simple fact. Don't you think?

That would require regarding Aventurine as a reasonable business entity making reasonable business decisions. And at that... laff.

Maybe they are actually.  Consider this:  Its that time of the year where taxes are due.  Perhaps The entire Darkfall launch thing simply comes down to Taxes and the IRS.  Take a moment to let this all sink in.  The launch of this game was the end of February.  At that time they begin regulating the ammount of "copies" of the game which can be purchased.  By doing this they are racking in much less of a profit than they theoretically could.  In doing so their profit to loss at the end of 08 will show much less and thus Adventurine will save on their taxes filed for 08.  Figuring that their '08 filing shows a very low profit and that a mass influx of copies being sold right at the end of the year may off set this and force them to show a major profit right before tax time hits they opt to "regulate" how many are sold.  By doing this whole limited copy thing/web site being cheap thing until after tax time, they can show this profit on their '09 filings instead.  Just food for thought.  Shady tactics - yes, does it explain why (from an outside viewing standpoint) the game is unpolished - no, but it does make some logical sense from a business standpoint.  Of course they'd never formally state that, they'd just say something like "we've upgraded our billing servers/staff and can now leave the store open 24/7". 

Be aware that this is just a random possibility and it could be that they really do run their servers on laptops for all I know, but I think this makes a bit more sense.

I followed this game for a long time, but like many, i'll be waiting a few months before I think of trying it.

Not to troll or anything.. but.. it DOES seem almost as if they're using this "one server" excuse and limited customers to almost beta the game with a paying audience, before they really open it up to the wider public.

Shoot me down if you want, but either side of the argument, no one is right.

Originally posted by javac

well the last thing they want is to create more demand when they cannot meet the current levels of demand.

 

give them time to create new servers one at a time and them start the PR & grow the game.

 

personally i love the fact they are focusing all their effort on providing as good an experience as possible to their first set of customers rather than try to lure in & sell the max number of boxes on release day.

Do you type using brail? A company that doesnt want customers...hmm ok I guess. You people will make an excuse for everything. The game could close tomorrow and you would say its because it was to good and the world wasnt ready for it.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Vetarnias

I've seen commercial websites that haven't been updated since 2003-2004. 

The difference with Darkfall is that those websites are for small businesses that don't even sell through the Web but just maintain a site so that their potential brick-and-mortar customers can know about them, and what they offer.  If you are, say, a beeswax candle shop, how many times do you need to update your website?

Darkfall is not only a computer video game, which these days implies you have Internet access (unless it's also a console title), but it is an MMO, which requires it in order to play.  In fact, you can't even buy it except through the internet.

Which makes updating a website a priority.  Because information changes.  Because a release is taking place.  You indicate that the situation isn't the same as last December, or last June, or the summer of 2006.

The hype/non-hype issue is moot.  People know the game came out in February.  As much as you could say that this makes updating the website unnecessary, I will answer that having as latest information that the first wave of beta invites has been sent -- for a game that everybody knows has been released -- is downright amateurish.

It's not a question of hype.  It's a question of making a good impression.  If you're a tech company and don't even bother to spend 20 minutes updating a website, what does that say of you?  Makes you look sloppy, I'd think.

Please stop trying to defend them on this. They have no excuse.

I hope they never update the site, in reality.

Keep the game niche. There is enough of a base of players, that will expand, to keep the game going a long time.

My opinion on the matter, anyway... 

Seriously, robertb? You seriously won't stop after his intelligent post? You hope the site stays filled with misinformation and false facts about the game? Ugh, you make my head hurt.
 

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by javac

well the last thing they want is to create more demand when they cannot meet the current levels of demand.

 

give them time to create new servers one at a time and them start the PR & grow the game.

 

personally i love the fact they are focusing all their effort on providing as good an experience as possible to their first set of customers rather than try to lure in & sell the max number of boxes on release day.

 

Interesting that the children don't seem, or simply refuse to understand this simple fact. Don't you think?

the shocking thing is how many (dumb) gamers feel lost without the massive marketing hype of the main game development studios, ie: the ones that soend 50% of their development budget on marketing, but who then turn around and complain about games being released half-finished and over-hyped.

imagine how much better WAR or AoC could have been had they not blown half their development money on marketing?

Av *obviously* have always cared far more about their game than selling as many boxes as possible, and yet look at how much shit they got. conclusive proof that gamers are 90% clueless IMO.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by damian7

next time, maybe reply to my post which you've quoted... mmmkay?

it's my opinion that many features listed on the darkfall webpage are not in the game?  if that is the case, opinion does not mean what you think it means. 

the rest of what you've posted has NOTHING to do with what i stated... what my last post did, was address your previous post.  i answered YOUR opinion of why a page was not updated.

 

seriously, don't post drunk/stoned.

 

If you do not understand my reply, simply say so, as it was directed at your post.

 

Your rants and opinions do not good arguments make.

 

Not that hard, really...

 

 

stop projecting already, it's funny.

 

darkfall webpage - not updated - if it were updated, then MANY features listed on the webpage would be removed.

some of these features (prestige classes, pets, etc) are a draw for people, as they are not commonplace in games.

THEREFORE, if av was going to anti-hype darkfall, the best way to do it would BE to update the webpage to reflect the current state of the game.

i hope i've isolated the statements and broken it down enough for you.

 

seriously.

Damian wins.

If the goal was to de-hype the game they would update the feature list.

They are obviously just too cheap/lazy.

Why not update the website to let people know what is happening?

 "We have launched the game.  We are currently not offering more subs to ensure a quality experience for existing customers as we add more servers".

How hard is that?

Originally posted by Katrar

It pretty much speaks for itself.

Would you hire a webmaster if you didn't expect to be around more than a month or two? I wouldn't. lol

- they're indie devs

- they can't pay someone else for the webpage

- they're working hard on the game

- TROLL

- go back to Wow or everquest, carebearZ

- this game / this account system isn't for everyone

(lol)

Originally posted by absolut187

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by damian7

next time, maybe reply to my post which you've quoted... mmmkay?

it's my opinion that many features listed on the darkfall webpage are not in the game?  if that is the case, opinion does not mean what you think it means. 

the rest of what you've posted has NOTHING to do with what i stated... what my last post did, was address your previous post.  i answered YOUR opinion of why a page was not updated.

 

seriously, don't post drunk/stoned.

 

If you do not understand my reply, simply say so, as it was directed at your post.

 

Your rants and opinions do not good arguments make.

 

Not that hard, really...

 

 

stop projecting already, it's funny.

 

darkfall webpage - not updated - if it were updated, then MANY features listed on the webpage would be removed.

some of these features (prestige classes, pets, etc) are a draw for people, as they are not commonplace in games.

THEREFORE, if av was going to anti-hype darkfall, the best way to do it would BE to update the webpage to reflect the current state of the game.

i hope i've isolated the statements and broken it down enough for you.

 

seriously.

 

Damian wins.

If the goal was to de-hype the game they would update the feature list.

They are obviously just too cheap/lazy.

Why not update the website to let people know what is happening?

 "We have launched the game.  We are currently not offering more subs to ensure a quality experience for existing customers as we add more servers".

How hard is that?

Ok, I'll tell you the real reason.

The Darkfall developers know that if they do not update their website, players like yourself, perhaps, will not play their game.

Since they cannot even handle all the players that actually want to play their game, regardless of the fact that they haven't bothered to update their website, I think they are making the correct call here.

Originally posted by javac

well the last thing they want is to create more demand when they cannot meet the current levels of demand.

 

give them time to create new servers one at a time and them start the PR & grow the game.

 

personally i love the fact they are focusing all their effort on providing as good an experience as possible to their first set of customers rather than try to lure in & sell the max number of boxes on release day.

Providing as good an experience for their first set of customers? 

Am I the only one that reads this as pay to beta? 

Maybe the website hasn't been updated, because they are still, you know, beta testing?

Most games invite people to stress test their game in waves of people.  The same thing that is happening here, except people are paying full price for the "release" that somehow has limited quantities of digital download?  Phase 1 release, phase 2 release, phase 3 release?  By all measurements that is a beta test.

For a company that has the single purpose of selling a service over the internet, it is beyond reasonable for them to be unable or unwilling to update their website.  It is an undefendable position.  There is no excuse, especially if the company is claiming they are in full production release and charing for their product.  Just because they are a small company doesn't mean basic business practices don't apply to them.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by absolut187

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by damian7

next time, maybe reply to my post which you've quoted... mmmkay?

it's my opinion that many features listed on the darkfall webpage are not in the game?  if that is the case, opinion does not mean what you think it means. 

the rest of what you've posted has NOTHING to do with what i stated... what my last post did, was address your previous post.  i answered YOUR opinion of why a page was not updated.

 

seriously, don't post drunk/stoned.

 

If you do not understand my reply, simply say so, as it was directed at your post.

 

Your rants and opinions do not good arguments make.

 

Not that hard, really...

 

 

stop projecting already, it's funny.

 

darkfall webpage - not updated - if it were updated, then MANY features listed on the webpage would be removed.

some of these features (prestige classes, pets, etc) are a draw for people, as they are not commonplace in games.

THEREFORE, if av was going to anti-hype darkfall, the best way to do it would BE to update the webpage to reflect the current state of the game.

i hope i've isolated the statements and broken it down enough for you.

 

seriously.

 

Damian wins.

If the goal was to de-hype the game they would update the feature list.

They are obviously just too cheap/lazy.

Why not update the website to let people know what is happening?

 "We have launched the game.  We are currently not offering more subs to ensure a quality experience for existing customers as we add more servers".

How hard is that?

 

Ok, I'll tell you the real reason.

 

The Darkfall developers know that if they do not update their website, players like yourself, perhaps, will not play their game.

Since they cannot even handle all the players that actually want to play their game, regardless of the fact that they haven't bothered to update their website, I think they are making the correct call here.

 

 

Dumbass:

They control the number of accounts sold.

You are dumber than a box of rocks.

How's that front page going?

You getting sufficient gaming experience from staring at the front page?

Originally posted by absolut187

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by absolut187

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by damian7

next time, maybe reply to my post which you've quoted... mmmkay?

it's my opinion that many features listed on the darkfall webpage are not in the game?  if that is the case, opinion does not mean what you think it means. 

the rest of what you've posted has NOTHING to do with what i stated... what my last post did, was address your previous post.  i answered YOUR opinion of why a page was not updated.

 

seriously, don't post drunk/stoned.

 

If you do not understand my reply, simply say so, as it was directed at your post.

 

Your rants and opinions do not good arguments make.

 

Not that hard, really...

 

 

stop projecting already, it's funny.

 

darkfall webpage - not updated - if it were updated, then MANY features listed on the webpage would be removed.

some of these features (prestige classes, pets, etc) are a draw for people, as they are not commonplace in games.

THEREFORE, if av was going to anti-hype darkfall, the best way to do it would BE to update the webpage to reflect the current state of the game.

i hope i've isolated the statements and broken it down enough for you.

 

seriously.

 

Damian wins.

If the goal was to de-hype the game they would update the feature list.

They are obviously just too cheap/lazy.

Why not update the website to let people know what is happening?

 "We have launched the game.  We are currently not offering more subs to ensure a quality experience for existing customers as we add more servers".

How hard is that?

 

Ok, I'll tell you the real reason.

 

The Darkfall developers know that if they do not update their website, players like yourself, perhaps, will not play their game.

Since they cannot even handle all the players that actually want to play their game, regardless of the fact that they haven't bothered to update their website, I think they are making the correct call here.

 

 

 

Dumbass:

They control the number of accounts sold.

You are dumber than a box of rocks.

 

And you, I suppose, are a rocket scisntist....

Originally posted by Vetarnias

I've seen commercial websites that haven't been updated since 2003-2004. 

The difference with Darkfall is that those websites are for small businesses that don't even sell through the Web but just maintain a site so that their potential brick-and-mortar customers can know about them, and what they offer.  If you are, say, a beeswax candle shop, how many times do you need to update your website?

Darkfall is not only a computer video game, which these days implies you have Internet access (unless it's also a console title), but it is an MMO, which requires it in order to play.  In fact, you can't even buy it except through the internet.

Which makes updating a website a priority.  Because information changes.  Because a release is taking place.  You indicate that the situation isn't the same as last December, or last June, or the summer of 2006.

The hype/non-hype issue is moot.  People know the game came out in February.  As much as you could say that this makes updating the website unnecessary, I will answer that having as latest information that the first wave of beta invites has been sent -- for a game that everybody knows has been released -- is downright amateurish.

It's not a question of hype.  It's a question of making a good impression.  If you're a tech company and don't even bother to spend 20 minutes updating a website, what does that say of you?  Makes you look sloppy, I'd think.

Please stop trying to defend them on this. They have no excuse.

well articulated.  bravo.

makes sense and intelligent.

qfe.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Vetarnias

I've seen commercial websites that haven't been updated since 2003-2004. 

The difference with Darkfall is that those websites are for small businesses that don't even sell through the Web but just maintain a site so that their potential brick-and-mortar customers can know about them, and what they offer.  If you are, say, a beeswax candle shop, how many times do you need to update your website?

Darkfall is not only a computer video game, which these days implies you have Internet access (unless it's also a console title), but it is an MMO, which requires it in order to play.  In fact, you can't even buy it except through the internet.

Which makes updating a website a priority.  Because information changes.  Because a release is taking place.  You indicate that the situation isn't the same as last December, or last June, or the summer of 2006.

The hype/non-hype issue is moot.  People know the game came out in February.  As much as you could say that this makes updating the website unnecessary, I will answer that having as latest information that the first wave of beta invites has been sent -- for a game that everybody knows has been released -- is downright amateurish.

It's not a question of hype.  It's a question of making a good impression.  If you're a tech company and don't even bother to spend 20 minutes updating a website, what does that say of you?  Makes you look sloppy, I'd think.

Please stop trying to defend them on this. They have no excuse.

 

I hope they never update the site, in reality.

 

Keep the game niche. There is enough of a base of players, that will expand, to keep the game going a long time.

 

My opinion on the matter, anyway... 

I'm sorry to say this but you have got to be insane, there is no other explanation. 

Let me break it down for you. Aventurine is an internet based company. They provide their service through the internet. As such, keeping their website updated is very important. Because it is the only way they can communicate with their potential customers.

When I say 'updated,' I don't mean completely redesigned which would require money they apparently don't have, since I'm not sure if any web developers out there will work for gyros. No, when I say 'updated' I mean updating the information on the website, which can be done by a trained chimpanzee (or intern) using Dreamweaver or Notepad. On the plus side, chimps (and interns) will probably work for gyros. Now I want a gyro... But I digress.

As they control the amount of active game accounts by limiting the amount of available purchases, the hype that may be generated from an updated website is not a problem. It would actually be a good thing as they will clearly communicate to their potential customers the state of the game and the company's plan of action. What may be a problem is negative hype generated from no communication at all.