Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by 03cobradude

The only reason why I left aoc was for the lack of content 55+. There was nothing for me to do except grind, and that was not fun at all. Yes, they did nerf a few things that pissed me off and there where some bugs but it was the lack of content that killed it in the end for me. I would try a free trial but I hope that they have addressed all the issues before sending out the invites for this free trial. I still have the game installed, and I hope this trial shows me that I don't need to finaly delete the game from my computer. Only time and a free trial will tell if they can truly make the game into something that's worth playing.

 

If you though level 55+ lacked content then wait until you get to level 70+. You need to grind half the xp for each level, maybe more. It's a painful task but somehow you find the energy to do it because you want to reach level 80 and start the endgame.

Then when you finally hit 80 you realize there is no endgame and you quit.

Originally posted by Timoshenko: October 2008:

I quit Conan this week. I have one level 80 and a couple of lvl 60+.

Yes, I know how pvp rewards work. Yes, in theory there is no incentive to kill lowbies but in reality it happens a lot. You go to Kheshatta with a level 70 character and someone will kill you in 30 sec, that is a fact. Go level up and try it.

Before the pvp patch there was no incentive either but that didn't stop ganking and griefing. Why should it stop now? Yes this patch 3.0 will change things but I'm not talking about the future, I'm talking about now.

You are level 45 or something, You probably haven't even been to Kheshatta. You haven't seen the gankfest. Why do you talk about things you don't know anything about?

Does anyone else find it strange how Pezz is always so well informed about all aspects of AoC? Technical, financial, everything. Yet he claims to be be a new player who has played for only 3 weeks. I guess he has done a lot of research or something..
 

Hey Timo, I remember when you posted that back in October,  so you only played from July to October? Because you made it clear that week you quit. Then pretty much 4 months you re-appear saying the same stuff?

That would mean that you never tried Ymirs Pass, nor any patch including that one or thereafter. Nor there at launch.

Remember in that thread and those at the time you were putting people down and telling them you were talking about the game then?

It seems you contradict yourself many times in this thread.

Well 5 months nearly have gone past. Still informed? It doesn't look like it to me.

Oblivious to changes - yep, looks like it. Maybe you decided that you just don't want to hear about the changes as you are not accepting they happened. Or maybe you don't like the poll results. Whatever the case they speak for themselves..

Quite a few changes have happened, people are moving from Kesh to the Border Kingdoms (all 3) for the PvP resources and drops now. Or they are trying out all the extra endgame content that has been put in, the improved sieges and crafting too.

Things are pretty good in flowing to level 80 now and thereafter. Patch 1.05 soon to hit test server will have Tarantia Commons, whole high level zone with dungeons too. Not to mention the whole reitemization project which has been in the works behind the scenes since October 2008.

I really like Craig Morrison, and it's a shame that he is always being dropped into the helm of a previously failed product, but there's just really no getting around AoC's estalished reputation. Not in 2009.

I hope at some point he is picked to lead his own project to the checkered flag, rather than being the perpetual fixer-upper called in to clean up other people's messes. He deserves it.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Hey Timo, I remember when you posted that back in October,  so you only played from July to October? Because you made it clear that week you quit. Then pretty much 4 months you re-appear saying the same stuff?

I already replied to your conspiracy theory. Check this out.

Lol don't you have anything better to do than analyzy other posters post history dating back to October last year?

Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Hey Timo, I remember when you posted that back in October,  so you only played from July to October? Because you made it clear that week you quit. Then pretty much 4 months you re-appear saying the same stuff?

 

I already replied to your conspiracy theory. Check this out.

Lol don't you have anything better to do than analyzy other posters post history dating back to October last year?

Considering there are plenty people around here who keep telling you what your saying is wrong or confused how you could form such opinions on matters which clearly are trolling attempts and misinformation on purpose. Your still failing to acknowledge changes and your still trying to tell people what the game was at launch when you have clearly presented the fact you have not played since launch. 4 months before October does not = May 20th. Your also happy to tell people how bad DX10 is when there is a nice 10 min video in my Signature which links to other DX10 videos which show performance is good in all area's at the stage it is at right now. You also offer no 1st hand experience of all the content people have presented to you since you left in October including the level 80 stuff such as the two new dungeons and the whole of Wing 3. You are also under the impression PvP happens anywhere expect Epic Kesh when there are plenty of proof videos and posts out there showing the transition to the Borderkingdoms is on the go. Fail to acknowledge there are no guards nor consequence system there and yet fail to acknowledge the change in combinations that has happened.

All you arguments are based off old information. Unless you can provide some recent proof your a concurrent player at this point in time, everything you say points to misinformation with intent to disrupt the forums here with negative purpose. You have already demostrated this several times in with disruption which is agains the rules here.

The best thing you can do is let people make their own mind up about the game instead of trying your damnest to disuade them, do you think that the readers here are that inept? Obviously the poll results on this thread speak for itself.

Again where as plenty of posters have pointed out to you and answered your troll attempts with factual information you chose to simply ignore it and say "oh no its not" without providing contrary proof of your own to back up what you say which means it is all just hot air.

There are patch notes, videos, new content additions, crafting changes, sieges changes, raid changes, raid content, Culture Armor additions, feat changes, class balance changes, game optimization changes, guild changes, GUI changes, server merges, regular sieges on nearly every server on a daily basis. Yet this information that is almost overwhelming in comparison to the things you say is not worth you putting something up?

Of course things are not perfect, there are no more bugs in this game that any other mmorpg at the moment, countless people posting come back reviews here, many posters that have been around for years verifying much of what I point out above and yet it seems that you have not experienced these things yourself.

Many people are picking up on the good vibes the game is generally giving out at the moment and drawing more people to post and questions on the game as they want to know what it is like now. By having a free trial at least they can see the changes for themselves and make a better informed personal decision in deciding if they would like to continue to sub or not. But at least they will try and nothing you can say will prevent that.

The thing is I am willing to bet we will continue to see more posts putting the game in better light following on from those trying now without the free trial, will only increase when it comes and there is no reason to think otherwise based on the amount and quality and respectful posts and threads that populate the first few pages here. Point is again, people are making their mind up themselves. Difference is if they didn't like the game the first time, they are not likely to go on a bender and post all over the site how bad the game is based on that old info unlike some.
 

PS. it is nice that you just come out and say you just resubbed, but still bring up obvious statements that are appropriate for the time since you last subbed, coupled with the obvious ignorance of anything shown to you as different. It is ok to not like the game but really it makes it hard to believe you just "happened" to resub. Nevertheless maybe it might be better for you to move on if you find the game causes you such distress?

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

PS. it is nice that you just come out and say you just resubbed, but still bring up obvious statements that are appropriate for the time since you last subbed, coupled with the obvious ignorance of anything shown to you as different. It is ok to not like the game but really it makes it hard to believe you just "happened" to resub. Nevertheless maybe it might be better for you to move on if you find the game causes you such distress?

I had some cash lying around and after reading a couple of positive threads I decided to give it another go. I can now see those threads were LIES made by friends and family on Funcom employees. It was shocking how little the game had changed. But then again

Seems like you are trying to force me to like your game. Can't you understand that people like different things? There is a minority (graphic freaks) who like AoC but a big majority of MMO gamers do not like Age of Conan. Don't believe me? Ask those 700k players who QUIT.

You really cannot force anyone to like AoC. Boring is boring and no amount of reasoning is going to change it. It's like trying to force a child to like broccoli by saying it's good for them.

Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

PS. it is nice that you just come out and say you just resubbed, but still bring up obvious statements that are appropriate for the time since you last subbed, coupled with the obvious ignorance of anything shown to you as different. It is ok to not like the game but really it makes it hard to believe you just "happened" to resub. Nevertheless maybe it might be better for you to move on if you find the game causes you such distress?

 

I had some cash lying around and after reading a couple of positive threads I decided to give it another go. I can now see those threads were LIES made by friends and family on Funcom employees. It was shocking how little the game had changed. But then again

Seems like you are trying to force me to like your game. Can't you understand that people like different things? There is a minority (graphic freaks) who like AoC but a big majority of MMO gamers do not like Age of Conan. Don't believe me? Ask those 700k players who QUIT.

You really cannot force anyone to like AoC. Boring is boring and no amount of reasoning is going to change it. It's like trying to force a child to like broccoli by saying it's good for them.

I am not here to force anyone to like the game, like I said they can make their own mind up. Rather yourself on a self confessed crusade of some sort.

What is shocking again is the presumption your under and again providing no proof and ignoring everything else but your opinion.

Friends and family of FC employees? pleaseeeeeeee.

What about the 2 billion people of liking 1 type of religion to billy joe in the middle of no where no believing. Does 12 million WoW players say the game is right for everyone? Is 1 life worth more than 1 million - or is everyones opinion / worth equal and should be respected. If you respected everyone that replied to you instead of glossing over their comments then you wouldn't get the backlash your getting. Isn't it nice to have the anonymity of the internet to through some numbers around like you swear by them.

You see again your stating things like they are true but really it is your opinion only. Much like the ones I expressed myself up above.

The difference is people like myself are replying to people who want to know about the game from 1st hand experience where as your either quoting second hand information and not giving anything with proof to back up what you say. You simply don't want people to play the game because it would agree with your opinion and make you feel better. Having a relaunch like the OP puts gives the people themselves the ability to make their mind up. Another difference is I don't insult the players by calling them "freaks" or just generally knocking on players because they may have different likes. Either you like it or you don't - simple as that. I can accept your comments and find sometimes a slight genuine edge to them, but yet you don't give the same respect back. No one here is saying the game is perfect in any way, especially not myself. I test the game to make it better to provide feedback from here (from all, both good and bad) and also personal experience ongoing with the game. Funcom are have quickened the pace in fixing, polishing and adding content. Widely accepted as a good thing that is tangible in game.

But it does seem that, well.. maybe it is human nature... Whenever, there are people coming back, or new people to the game who give feedback that has some form of mild positive connotations, it seems like those that left will interject with some old info. Then when propositioned always, always, fall back on the "well I am playing something else now", or the "well I actually just resubbed"

It almost seems that some people have to confirm this in essence to justify that they left the game the first time. Like I said maybe it is human nature. One does not want to admit they may have made a mistake and therefore reaffirms a new interest in the most positive light often with the backing of others, whether painting the picture of 12 million WoW subs can't be wrong or the thousands of people who left AoC can't be wrong, so there are lots there, and I will include myself in that "lot".

You see just as people can change, games can too, as was pointed out. Lots of times in this thread I might add in lots of area's. And on these boards many, many new posts expressing AoC comeback in a better light than before. Far more better than worse, but put constructively and with presenting current issues to which there are some, just like most games.

It is often whether people can "get over themselves" to revisit old interests to see if there is any improvement is often a big step for courage. The poll in this thread has 3/4 for.. thats good news.

And at the end of the day what counts is that people are happy. Happy pursuing new interests, revisiting old ones, or starting out afresh. Acknowledgement of having those interests which may of changed is good, as you never know where you may be missing out.
 

Good luck on moving on, and may you find a game you like as it would be nice to see your happy side too :)

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

I am not here to force anyone to like the game

You sure about that?

What I've seen, it's like everyone who has says anything negative about the game will be attacked by a handful of Age of Conan fan who try to try to discredit him and accuse him of being a troll. Seems like if you post ANYTHING negative about AoC you are getting your whole post history analysed by some potentially crazy person who now possibly knows where you live. Scary.

About his whole "Relaunch" business..

I really hope they postpone the Relaunch as much as possible because lets face it, the game is NOT ready for its second chance. there's still a lot of content to be added to make the leveling more smooth and the endgame interesting. I hope they would redo the whole siege because right now it's not something I would want to do more than once or twice.

If they DO a relaunch today, AoC will probably fail as bad as it did the first time, and if you lose your customers twice they are NEVER coming back.

EDIT: I looked at the poll results. Seems like 25 of players are not coming back even if it's FREE. Lol that's pretty bad . I was expecting a much better result knowing this is an AoC forum and should have higher density of fans than anywhere else.

Originally posted by NightBandit

I am fed up to the teeth of being ripped off by gaming companies and as far as I am concerned spoilcom have not learnt or listened to AO or AoC beta testers who told them they would fail if they didn't postpone retail day and we all know what happened to both games. Total disaster though in their defnece they did manage to get AO up and runnimng but again too little too late imo.

 

..Another angry beta tester that got mad because his advices were not considered. Who for the love of god would listen to beta testers? They know shit, they just whine. WHAT AN ADVICE. Beta testers TOLD THEM to postpone retail. What game out there wouldnt rather be postponed to continually improve? I hope this age of free betatesting will soon end, so we won't need to hear more whines from these losers how they warned that the retail should be POSTPONED. Oh hell, where is my medicine.

Outstanding game, I really don't understand why people complain.

There is plenty to do and it runs smoothly.  There are a lot of bitter and twisted people out there.

Really it should be the dominant game on the market.

Originally posted by Maendauron

 

Outstanding game, I really don't understand why people complain.

There is plenty to do and it runs smoothly.  There are a lot of bitter and twisted people out there.

Really it should be the dominant game on the market.

Like you said on other thread, you are new to the game and haven't even left Tortage. It's a known fact that most of players liked levels 1-20 but it's all downhill after that.

Come back in a couple of weeks and we'll talk more. Maybe then you understand why 90% of players quit and why Age of Conan is ranked #42 and not the "dominant game on the market".

Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by Maendauron

 

Outstanding game, I really don't understand why people complain.

There is plenty to do and it runs smoothly.  There are a lot of bitter and twisted people out there.

Really it should be the dominant game on the market.

 

Like you said on other thread, you are new to the game and haven't even left Tortage. It's a known fact that most of players liked levels 1-20 but it's all downhill after that.

Come back in a couple of weeks and we'll talk more. Maybe then you understand why 90% of players quit and why Age of Conan is ranked #42 and not the "dominant game on the market".

WHAT a nonsense. I was a long time hater of this game due to its extreme overhype. Nevertheless, tortage is the worst part of the game for me. Very very linear, lots of instances, small maps, and too many quests. The zones that come after are much better designed (khopesh province, fields of dead, valley, ...) 

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by Maendauron

 

Outstanding game, I really don't understand why people complain.

There is plenty to do and it runs smoothly.  There are a lot of bitter and twisted people out there.

Really it should be the dominant game on the market.

 

Like you said on other thread, you are new to the game and haven't even left Tortage. It's a known fact that most of players liked levels 1-20 but it's all downhill after that.

Come back in a couple of weeks and we'll talk more. Maybe then you understand why 90% of players quit and why Age of Conan is ranked #42 and not the "dominant game on the market".

 

WHAT a nonsense. I was a long time hater of this game due to its extreme overhype. Nevertheless, tortage is the worst part of the game for me. Very very linear, lots of instances, small maps, and too many quests. The zones that come after are much better designed (khopesh province, fields of dead, valley, ...) 

Lol you're both right. Tortage sucked AND it was the best part of the game.

Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by Maendauron

 

Outstanding game, I really don't understand why people complain.

There is plenty to do and it runs smoothly.  There are a lot of bitter and twisted people out there.

Really it should be the dominant game on the market.

 

Like you said on other thread, you are new to the game and haven't even left Tortage. It's a known fact that most of players liked levels 1-20 but it's all downhill after that.

Come back in a couple of weeks and we'll talk more. Maybe then you understand why 90% of players quit and why Age of Conan is ranked #42 and not the "dominant game on the market".

There's that 90% quote again. Yeah it is becoming clear your other accout was banned. It was NewSparta last time wasn't it?

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by Maendauron

 

Outstanding game, I really don't understand why people complain.

There is plenty to do and it runs smoothly.  There are a lot of bitter and twisted people out there.

Really it should be the dominant game on the market.

 

Like you said on other thread, you are new to the game and haven't even left Tortage. It's a known fact that most of players liked levels 1-20 but it's all downhill after that.

Come back in a couple of weeks and we'll talk more. Maybe then you understand why 90% of players quit and why Age of Conan is ranked #42 and not the "dominant game on the market".

 

WHAT a nonsense. I was a long time hater of this game due to its extreme overhype. Nevertheless, tortage is the worst part of the game for me. Very very linear, lots of instances, small maps, and too many quests. The zones that come after are much better designed (khopesh province, fields of dead, valley, ...) 

Those are the 2 most important words in your post.

I actually agree with you in some way. I found Tortage to be the worst part of AoC. Sure it was pretty and had voice-overs but it was also extremely linear. Everything after Tortage is linear too but Tortage is so linear it's unbeliavable.

I found the best part to be Field of the Dead. For some reason I liked that zone. It is a big place with a lot of quests and mobs. If they made all zones similar to FotD I would have been a much happier customer. Happy enough to play for years? No. But happy enough to play for a couple of more months at least.

However you and I are the minority here. Most players think Tortage was the best part and post-Tortage was unfinished borefest.

There is no right or wrong answer here. It's all about what you look for in an MMO.

  You calling whoever say things have improved is lying, while at the same time being on a bashing campaign using a broken record method ALLOVER this forum area, over and over again, whitout even discussing things  is just sad now.

  I guess i lie, and every single person here that says it's improved (and have actually played recently) lie (and that's the majority of the posters thata ctually have stated that they are playing atm, have resubbed or played recently) and not that you just have a grudge and are playing on it, or maybe you simply want to impose your preference onto others.

  In any case, opinions are cool and all, and are to be respected, repeating the same bashing over and over and calling who says otherwise (which happen to be the majority here that have tried the game recently) is not so cool, just make your intentions too transparent.

I liked the game, Conan's creators had great visions. The only part I didn't like was that it was, by far, not ready for launch. I helped in betatesting the game. It was playable, but those special moments you want to remember in an MMO, like doing your first dungeon, picking up a profession/tradeskill and making your own items did not work. After the game was launched.

Everything else that worked was great. Note: EVERYTHING.

I'm really sorry that everyone is in such a rush at the making of the game. Make it work, make it fun and worth remembering. A game really only have one chance to catch the players interest for a long term relationship. Tortage caught me, it really had me want to level up and enjoy that enviroment even at the higher levels. Oblivion for example, when you enter the first town it's wonderful and the feeling and style lasts through-out the game. Conan dropped the charm after Tortage. And introduced the unfinished part. I know much of it has been improved, but I still experienced the bugs and the pain, which is greater than the charm and style.

I'm sorry if you don't agree, but this is just my opinion/experience. No offense! I hope some of you have the joy to experience Conan as a working, enchanting world :)

Originally posted by Deadman87

 

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Originally posted by Timoshenko Age of Conan basically ends at level 80 and you have to either reroll or quit.

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Huh? PvE raids to get better armor. Helping your guild finish building your city and sieging for a battlekeep, whilst perhaps trying to get up those PvP levels. Increasing your tradeskills and perhaps getting those insanely fast mounts.
 
I seriously don't understand how with that you still feel players HAVE to reroll or stop playing

 

I did all of that and more in May-October. There is nothing to "re-launch". AoC indeed does end at lvl80.

Funcom has zero vision for the game and has no idea where it is headed or how to fix it. The game needs new head developer/designer more than anything.

  that is your opinion, and it's to be taken in consideration, but also considering the reported ammount of additions, tweaks and fixes that have been implemented from October till today, it is also fair to say that you don't have experience on the matter as of now.

  Word of advice, up till october 08 you found this problems to be the case, anyone considering on getting the game should have that in mind, and that all the additions, changes and fixed done by FC up to now may or may not corrected this.

  If they relaunch or give a big push towards promoting the game again and they don't have a good enough product, still, the ones that has more to lose would be FC, for the individual it would be spending time on free trials/win back campaigns, or in the worst  scenario spending 15 bucks, for FC the loss would be getting a worse reputation they could have ever had before, which would affect all their future projects, and AoC itself, via the backslash.

Originally posted by Timoshenko

Originally posted by Maendauron

 

Outstanding game, I really don't understand why people complain.

There is plenty to do and it runs smoothly.  There are a lot of bitter and twisted people out there.

Really it should be the dominant game on the market.

 

Like you said on other thread, you are new to the game and haven't even left Tortage. It's a known fact that most of players liked levels 1-20 but it's all downhill after that.

Come back in a couple of weeks and we'll talk more. Maybe then you understand why 90% of players quit and why Age of Conan is ranked #42 and not the "dominant game on the market".

I left tortage over a week ago.

Hey... Timoshenko..Hello Kitty Online sounds like your thing. ..anyway..don't worry...I'm sure you'll find some more friends to play with you in the (apparently) perfect mmo you've discovered. What happened? They all leave for AoC? Is that  why you thrash every positive AoC thread?