Hi guys

My daughter (10) has been playing a few mmo's (COH / Runescape) she struggles with the higher end of COH but does pretty well on Runescape. Im looking a game we can both enjoy playing and unfortunately in the years Ive been playing I have never regarded the trade route and have always gone for the more agressive charector roles so Im at a loss in choosing a game.

So Im looking for something where she can go out and harvest materials which she can then manufacture into an end product which she can then sell on the games market, Im hoping she will have fun and at the same time learn something from the experience.

Everquest 2 / LOTRO / Guildwars ???  Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Most of the games that deal with crafting pretty extensively would likely be awfully tough for a ten year old unless she's quite precocious.  There are a lot of games with a crafting system that is nothing more than something stupid to grind levels in (e.g., Runescape).

Among the games you cite, Guild Wars is a great game, but basically doesn't have a crafting system.  While I haven't played it, EverQuest 2 seems awfully focused on raiding, and I'd advice against introducing a 10 year old to that.  I haven't played LotRO either, but its crafting system looks like it's of the something stupid to grind levels in variety.

You might want to try Puzzle Pirates.  There's a fair bit of depth to the game economy, though less so than there used to be.  It's also more kid-friendly than a lot of the other games out there.  The big objection that some parents might have to Puzzle Pirates is the portrayal of alcohol ("grog", "swill", and "fine rum"), which basically serves as fuel for the pirate ships.

I would suggest  World of Warcraft. The crafting is very simple and the game is very easy to get into.

But on a personal note, do take care of some siliies kids that will spout nonsense, though all mmo have such players but because of WoW populations, they have more.

Hope it wont influence your daughter, though i kinda find her quite too young to be playing pc or console games.... just my personal opinion.

Have fun...

Hello there,

You might take a look at Saga of Ryzom.  Though, to be honest, it might be a bit confusing for her.  Vanguard also has a very nice crafting system, but crafting is a bit difficult there as well.  Sadly, I think most games with a detailed and useful crafting system also tend to be quite complex.  There are also few games that I think might appeal to both a ten year old and an adult equally well.  You might give World of Warcraft a try.  It's simple, but still quite engaging and fun to play.  Unfortunately, the community is often rather lacking.  Overall, though, that's what I'd recommend.  Other than that...I don't really know. 

Kayn

I'd keep an eye out on Free Realms by SOE and maybe take a look at Mabinogi - both appear to be kid friendly.

Fusion Fall doesn't look to me like it has crafting (only played a little bit) but it's a fun game especially if you're daughter is into Cartoon Network.

The nice thing about all of these is that they have a free 2 play element so you can try them out first.

Of the 'older' MMO's I would say the best crafting is in:  SWG, Istaria (Horizons), EVE, ATITD, EQII, LOTRO.  Problem is that all of them are either grindy or technical in nature - which might be ok, but can take a long time to see tangible results.

What was I thinking.

To an extent I do agree that she is somewhat young to be playing mmo's, but too young to be playing pc/console games in general  I have to disagree. Her time online is policed and the idea for sharing a game with her will only ollow me to police it further, Im only to familiar at what goes on in some of the chat windows and on the forums.

As far as grinding is concerned she sat for a few hours the other night growing bloody cabbages to sell on Runescape which I found hilarious as I dont suppose its a too lucrative/interesting activity to participate in, she seems destined to be an mmo junky like her dad so I think I will look further into LOTRO and Vanguard.....Do these both have player driven markets??

If your daughter likes grinding and you don't, then that might make it hard for the two of you to play together if you do a game that is all about heavy grinding--in which case, you might as well stick with Runescape.  I'm playing Vanguard now, and I'm still fairly new at it, but it looks like they tried to make the game more hardcore than most.  A lot of things are awkward and confusing, and that might not be the best for a 10 year old.  LotRO is reputedly more casual-friendly.

Are you looking for a game that nominally has a crafting system, even if it's a completely stupid one, or do you want the game to actually have an interesting crafting system?  If your daughter is going to craft and you're not, and she's fine with ridiculous grinding, a completely stupid crafting system might be just fine.

Yes both have player driven markets though Vanguard is less populated overall.

LOTRO does have the ability to grow stuff and the story is great.

Both have houses and mounts (though LOTRO is only horses).

LOTRO has more fluff such as delivering the mail and playing as a chicken.

And the good news is that both have free trials going on right now - best bet is to try them both and see which you all like better.

i would also suggest world of warcraft. i mine and am a blacksmith and its actually pretty fun and a good way to make money

WoW could be taken as the canonical example of a crafting system that is nothing more than something stupid to grind levels in.  The crafting process literally consists of click a button to start crafting, wait a bit, and then you're done.

WoW doesn't have much of an economy, either.  You can buy and sell stuff on the auction house, but if something is really good so that you might actually want it, it will probably be bind on pickup, so that it can't be bought or sold.

It also depends on whether you want your daughter to see nearly naked dancing night elves.  A lot of parents wouldn't want their 10 year old kids seeing that, but they're pretty much unavoidable in WoW.