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3/11/09 5:20:15 PM#41
Originally posted by Suvroc
Unfortunately it happens to many on this board. If i listened to what my "diagnosis" was here my gosh its a wonder how I manage to put one foot in front of the other. Its kinda silly really but then this board is strange to start with. Last person to diagnose me here was archangel (err maybe a couple more afterwards) but the fact remains it looks funny from both sides. Oh yeah and I forgot every person who plays SWG has stockholm syndrome (classic case I am told). Again its a wonder how I manage to put one foot in front of the other or comb my hair with this load of crap to be honest. (arthritic finger just one not wanting to type the right key again sounded like I had a cold..) |
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3/11/09 7:19:02 PM#42
Originally posted by ummax
Unfortunately it happens to many on this board. If i listened to what my "diagnosis" was here my gosh its a wonder how I manage to put one foot in front of the other. Its kinda silly really but then this board is strange to start with. Last person to diagnose me here was archangel (err maybe a couple more afterwards) but the fact remains it looks funny from both sides. Oh yeah and I forgot every person who plays SWG has stockholm syndrome (classic case I am told). Again its a wonder how I manage to put one foot in front of the other or comb my hair with this load of crap to be honest. (arthritic finger just one not wanting to type the right key again sounded like I had a cold..) That's the truth right there. You remember when there were some people who were outspoken when the NGE came out, then you see those same people sometime down the line start defending everything the devs and reps do or say. Isn't that kind of what Stockholm Syndrome is? I don't see anymore reason for me to pay to play SWG, to me it's just not the game I bought. That and I don't like being constantly lied to. According to what I've been seeing on the official boards, the people still playing are still getting hosed and those who rise up are soon shot down. Just like when NGE first came out, I gave them some great suggestions, such as: at least bringing the combat system back and putting the movement and animations back to normal speeds. The people who were once against the NGE rose up and bashed me for my suggestions, so I gave up on them. If they want to play that, though I think they're crazy, they can play it. Me on the other hand will be siding with Bioware, who has yet to let me down in gaming. Here's to the sinking ship, bless all those who drown in her.
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3/11/09 7:24:22 PM#43
Originally posted by Asmiroth20 That's the truth right there. You remember when there were some people who were outspoken when the NGE came out, then you see those same people sometime down the line start defending everything the devs and reps do or say. Isn't that kind of what Stockholm Syndrome is? I don't see anymore reason for me to pay to play SWG, to me it's just not the game I bought. That and I don't like being constantly lied to. According to what I've been seeing on the official boards, the people still playing are still getting hosed and those who rise up are soon shot down. Just like when NGE first came out, I gave them some great suggestions, such as: at least bringing the combat system back and putting the movement and animations back to normal speeds. The people who were once against the NGE rose up and bashed me for my suggestions, so I gave up on them. If they want to play that, though I think they're crazy, they can play it. Me on the other hand will be siding with Bioware, who has yet to let me down in gaming. Here's to the sinking ship, bless all those who drown in her.
lol I rest my case (omg that was funny truly it was)
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3/11/09 7:52:32 PM#44
Originally posted by ummax
Unfortunately it happens to many on this board. If i listened to what my "diagnosis" was here my gosh its a wonder how I manage to put one foot in front of the other. Its kinda silly really but then this board is strange to start with. Last person to diagnose me here was archangel (err maybe a couple more afterwards) but the fact remains it looks funny from both sides. Oh yeah and I forgot every person who plays SWG has stockholm syndrome (classic case I am told). Again its a wonder how I manage to put one foot in front of the other or comb my hair with this load of crap to be honest. (arthritic finger just one not wanting to type the right key again sounded like I had a cold..)
Except I said rational and logical discussions |
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3/11/09 9:58:08 PM#45
Kudos to those who have actually tried to keep the thread on topic. It seems like some folks want to talk about the latest developments in SWG. Others (only 2 people really) seem to want to shut this down through bizarre criticisms, false accusations and side-trails. I think I'll just acknowledge all that for what it is, and ignore it. As for the contempt or cluelessness. My theory is that they started with a measure of both. Contempt in the sense that they seemed to believe people would play any piece of crap with the StarWars label on it, even if it wasn't nearly ready for release. Then when it became clear that their unfinished, bug-ridden StarWars game wasn't able to retain StarWars fans, I think cluelessness took over. The smart thing to do, in my mind, would have been to finish what they started, fix what was broken, and add content. Cluelessness, in my opinion, led to a series of poorly planned and poorly implemented game revamps that served to alienate the existing customers more than anything. I think that's when contempt took the reigns once again. When players didn't warmly embrace the clueless revamps, some of the SOE reps seemed to get quite testy. At this point, it looks to me like they think they have very little to lose. As a result, it appears that they're using SWG to test controversial business models, and to see just how much cash they can milk out of the smaller population base that remains before the next StarWars MMO goes live. That definitely comes across to me as contempt. As long as they keep reaching out to me and my gaming friends saying things like, "come on back, we've changed our ways," and as long as it seems they keep finding new ways to give gamers the crappy end of the stick, I'll probably be inclined to comment on it. Chatting in here is really like hanging out with friends at a coffee shop talking about politics and the like. If some folks don't enjoy the conversation, I don't think they need to feel compelled to participate. |
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3/11/09 10:08:00 PM#46
Originally posted by Daffid011
This is how it looks to me as well. Nicely summarized. |
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3/11/09 11:13:59 PM#47
Originally posted by Asmiroth20 That's the truth right there. You remember when there were some people who were outspoken when the NGE came out, then you see those same people sometime down the line start defending everything the devs and reps do or say. Isn't that kind of what Stockholm Syndrome is? I don't see anymore reason for me to pay to play SWG, to me it's just not the game I bought. That and I don't like being constantly lied to. According to what I've been seeing on the official boards, the people still playing are still getting hosed and those who rise up are soon shot down. Just like when NGE first came out, I gave them some great suggestions, such as: at least bringing the combat system back and putting the movement and animations back to normal speeds. The people who were once against the NGE rose up and bashed me for my suggestions, so I gave up on them. If they want to play that, though I think they're crazy, they can play it. Me on the other hand will be siding with Bioware, who has yet to let me down in gaming. Here's to the sinking ship, bless all those who drown in her.
Thread on Stockholm Syndrome, in case you're interested :)
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3/12/09 3:15:56 AM#48
Originally posted by ArcAngel3 That's the truth right there. You remember when there were some people who were outspoken when the NGE came out, then you see those same people sometime down the line start defending everything the devs and reps do or say. Isn't that kind of what Stockholm Syndrome is? I don't see anymore reason for me to pay to play SWG, to me it's just not the game I bought. That and I don't like being constantly lied to. According to what I've been seeing on the official boards, the people still playing are still getting hosed and those who rise up are soon shot down. Just like when NGE first came out, I gave them some great suggestions, such as: at least bringing the combat system back and putting the movement and animations back to normal speeds. The people who were once against the NGE rose up and bashed me for my suggestions, so I gave up on them. If they want to play that, though I think they're crazy, they can play it. Me on the other hand will be siding with Bioware, who has yet to let me down in gaming. Here's to the sinking ship, bless all those who drown in her.
Thread on Stockholm Syndrome, in case you're interested :)
lol no I dont think I could talk about that with a straight face. Its one of those comments I have seen that everytime I see someone telling me I have a classic case of stockholm syndrome I laugh out loud. lol |
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3/12/09 7:30:09 AM#49
I agree. It seems many simply dismiss the business ethical debate because SOE is in business to make money. A good business can make money while making their customers happy. Has SOE honestly done that? -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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3/12/09 7:55:55 AM#50
Originally posted by Moaky07
You know how closely that statement fits you? Almost everyone else seems fine with the fact that soe has a long and ugly history of disrespect towards its customers. Fewer and fewer are the people who will publicaly come out and defend this company, because in reality people are just getting fed up and leaving them. Denial is trying to say that soe is a company that cares for its customers or any of the nonsense you seem to subscribe to. Keep something in mind, you are paying money to a company that has more than once considered you, their customer, dispensable. On several occasions they have knowingly taken actions that would cause their subscribers to leave and they were fine with that. They have always valued the potential customer more than they value you, the person actually supporting them. Yet here you are trying to apologize for them. Much like someone who has a constantly cheating spouse does, because they just don't want everyone else to keep talking about it.
If you really want the vets to be quiet, please talk to soe and tell them to stop trying to get the people they thew under the bus to come back to their game. We all know it isn't going to happen and it just keeps the hostility alive. That and their continued disrespect that you come here to defend on a daily basis. Yet the problem is with other people... Keep telling yourself that.
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3/12/09 7:57:48 AM#51
Originally posted by Daffid011
I'd bet they do make the same ones over there! |
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3/12/09 10:42:50 AM#52
Blizzard and Valve ahve shown what you can do when you keep your fanbase happy and not only do you have a long cashflow but these people will buy your games in the future and your sales will continue to grow. Where as SOE move through like a Virus killing off everything in their path and eventually they'll hit a point where they can't just keep milking it like Need for speed and the sales wont come. Not only that but all your old games stop making much money like all their games currently whcih are dead and empty so SOE had to find new ways of milking like 2 expansions a year and TCG.
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3/12/09 11:22:59 AM#53
Originally posted by John.A.Zoid
Agreed. Everyone has their breaking point, even Obraik, Ummax, Badger, etc... sooner or later SOE will get to theirs. It's like they do it on purpose. |
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3/12/09 12:10:25 PM#54
Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw
Agreed. Everyone has their breaking point, even Obraik, Ummax, Badger, etc... sooner or later SOE will get to theirs. It's like they do it on purpose.
Don't know about the others you mention but Obraik has actually said that his first introduction to Star Wars was SWG, he hadn't seen any of the movies before playing the game, I think that speaks volumes to be honest. I honestly can't see any self respecting Star Wars fans putting up with shit like the cupid ewoks... an event centred around the Star Wars Holiday special (was that a joke? hard to tell these days) and all this TCG crap, it really is like SOE are intentionally trying to piss people off. I mean that Friday Feature on the TCG shit, they put that up while the gameplay board was still being deluged with anti-tcg threads. Even SOE aren't that dumb, surely? ...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought. |
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3/12/09 12:43:01 PM#55
Originally posted by efefia
Don't know about the others you mention but Obraik has actually said that his first introduction to Star Wars was SWG, he hadn't seen any of the movies before playing the game, I think that speaks volumes to be honest. I honestly can't see any self respecting Star Wars fans putting up with shit like the cupid ewoks... an event centred around the Star Wars Holiday special (was that a joke? hard to tell these days) and all this TCG crap, it really is like SOE are intentionally trying to piss people off. I mean that Friday Feature on the TCG shit, they put that up while the gameplay board was still being deluged with anti-tcg threads. Even SOE aren't that dumb, surely? Guess again they are that stupid. they just keep repeating the loop over and over again, they just do not listen, or they seem to do the opposite of what ever the out cry is about. |
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3/12/09 12:48:05 PM#56
I honestly do not think that SOE cares at this point if SWG stays afloat. LEC either for that matter. I think SOE is simply using it as a test bed for RMT while milking what they can and then apply those lessons learned to current/upcoming titles. Not that they have ever understood what their customers wanted anyway. -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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3/12/09 1:05:32 PM#57
Originally posted by Valeran
I'm inclined to agree, which is precisely why I think their business ethics should be discussed more openly. |
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3/12/09 1:32:09 PM#58
Originally posted by efefia
Don't know about the others you mention but Obraik has actually said that his first introduction to Star Wars was SWG, he hadn't seen any of the movies before playing the game, I think that speaks volumes to be honest. I honestly can't see any self respecting Star Wars fans putting up with shit like the cupid ewoks... an event centred around the Star Wars Holiday special (was that a joke? hard to tell these days) and all this TCG crap, it really is like SOE are intentionally trying to piss people off. I mean that Friday Feature on the TCG shit, they put that up while the gameplay board was still being deluged with anti-tcg threads. Even SOE aren't that dumb, surely? I am constantly surprised what the typical soe subscriber will put up with. In any discussion they will eventually turn the NGE into a positive for the company in their defense of how soe acts. Because the nge was the biggest intentional screw up in mmo history, they hide behind it under the premise that everything else soe does is tiny by comparison and therefor not important. Other times they will completely dismiss mountains of facts by painting the poster of said facts as being hung up on the nge. I actually had one fan tell me the other day that soe does more good than they do bad as if that somehow equals out their intentional lies and deceit.
It is amazing the level of apathy and self denial some of the subscribers will go through. Not only that, but the lengths some go through to justify and defend those actions is simply amazing.
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3/12/09 4:29:26 PM#59
Its all going towards micro transactions, Blizzard is doing the same thing, and Bio-ware already said they will also. Why so much hate towards SOE? The game is not that bad, people that listen to the get a life vets on here constantly say its more fun than I expected. If the game was launched as it is now, it probably would have been a big hit with the fan base. Remember they launched without half the features of a mmo, no vehicles or instances. Your right about they dont really care as long as it keeps making them a little money. The game has paid for itself and then some. Right after the NGE, SOE and LA had a big meeting to decide what to do. Save the game or move on, LA has decided to move on, that is extremly clear with the support and development money going towards SWTOR. Smed has admitted they dont know exactly what players like or will accept with pay to play items or content. SWG may be a test bed for future games. With a new flagg ship game being developed soon, and many rumors about EQ3 being developed is half true. Smed has stated that the mistake they made with EQ2 is calling it EQ2. I expect SOE to be pushing hard with this new game whatever the title is, it more than likely will be a fantasy based game meant to compete with WOW. Thats one problem that most Vets have, this game has become small potatoes with SOE and LA. They have much bigger fish to fry. But that does not mean the game will be closing anytime soon. SOE spreads the costs, they dont dump anything that can make them money. |
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3/12/09 6:00:31 PM#60
Originally posted by BullseyeArc1 Smed says alot of things that turn out to be outright lies. Sorry...you just do not get a do over. They had the customer base they had when they launched and got greedy because Wow hit a homerun. They didn't even copy the things Wow did right. I wonder how much money the cost of their reputation has and continues to cost them? -------- "SOE has probably united more gamers in hatred than Blizzard has subs"...daelnor |
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