expressing a point of view is not a terrorist action zorndorf. besides, I have played a good few mmos in my time and have never never come across a game that was clunky in anyway. if you are getting that then its probably your computer or internet connection at fault, not the game. its like trying to play crysis on a laptop in the highest graphic settings, of course it will be slow and clunky. go to minimum settings and it works fine.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Z3R01

I agree, My son loves the game..... hell so does my Wife, my brother and sister in Law LOL!

That's saying something about WoW huh? The fanbois in this thread decided to attack me since im normally a sandbox activist on these forums.  Which is true I enjoy games with more gameplay features, deeper customization and pvp with heavy death penalty.

My son sees what I play and he wonders why I wont let him play a game like Eve. I've seen adults that couldn't deal with the death penalty in Eve theygo of the deep end and rage quit. I feel a child shouldn't have to deal with that.

So I call Eve a big boy game, hes only 10 (just turned a couple months ago). It stops him begging me to play and he keeps on playing WoW with his buddies.

These raging fanbois on this site kill me, you can;t say one damn thing without them flaming or trolling you.

I bet if I told someone that I played WoW for 3+ years raided Naxx and BT(which is actually true) there would be a 200 post thread with these same dudes praising me.

It's sad really.

 

Edit: you better watch out, you said you're getting tired of WoW. these guys may have a heart attack.

No use defending your posts like these.
 

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He tells me "Daddy when I get bigger I wanna play the big MMOs like you"

Its nice, its like WoW is a kind of MMO training wheels for him.

He loves the babyish quests and the cute purple armor he gets to buy from pvp.

He plays arena with his friend from school and My sister in laws friends nephew.

Little guys are doing good

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That was pure trolling in TWO different threads.

At least I didn't call you an idiot like some other guys said in the other thread you posted these remarks about Wow being a kid game with "babyish quests".

Wow is as adult or "BIG" as EVE or as gamish as anything else.

Like I said better let "him" get used to unresponsive controls and avatars with a stick in their ass if he wants to play the "big" MMO's.

Sorry I didn't give  you a free ticket to the cute baby train cave.

 

I think there's something wrong with you.

Do you have children at all? Sons look up to their daddys, My son sees me driving a car, playing Ice hockey or sitting down after a long day of work and playing Eve and he wants to do that too.

I personally don't let my son play Eve due to the Death penalty. In WoW he doesn't lose that epic pvp armor he gets, the game is easier. WoW is more Lax about that stuff and to me that makes WoW a great game for him to play.

WoW is 95% quest stacking, with one Mod download he can click a quest and have a directional indicator on his map leading him directly to his goal, to me thats a babyish quest. He doesn't need to explore and actually map out hidden areas like EQ or Triangulate hidden entities in Eve. If me saying WoW is easier bugs you, deal with it because it is.

Look at the armor system in WoW, they color code everything that right there makes the game easier. HE knows that most of the time Purple = best unless daddy tells him a certain blue might have better stats for his pally. He's only a child you raging psycho fanboi.

As for your stick in the ass, unresponsive comment. Last time I played eve it wasnt unresponsive, actually features wise Eve seems to be the superior game. It happens to have Niche' features like FFA pvp, sci-fi, tough learning curve and being a non-hand holding sandbox also not everyone likes spaceships.

Also games like Lotro, EQ2, WAR seem to be as responsive as WoW, sure they don't have FPS controls like WoW its moslty auto facing. Also I havent seen bad animations in those games either.

I think you need to lower that fanboi shield for a second and realize certain people find WoW easy and not as technical as other MMOs like Eve. I think you take these games too seriously bro, you just attacked a father talking about his sons favorite MMO. Instead of actually being happy that another person enjoys the same game you play, you get all crazy at his father for thinking the game is easier then Eve lol.

Go over the two threads i "Trolled", reread all your posts. You come off as a freaking nut! Its only a videogame.

Edit: Dude I was curious and clicked your profile. Your a 53 year old man? If thats true I would expect more out of a person of your age. Atleast I would expect you to understand I choose to let my son play WoW. The way you carry yourself on these forums is quite pathetic for a person of your age. from your posts I pegged you as a college kid or some raging 16 year old not an elderly man near retirement. Please refram from responding I feel sorry for you. actually Your on ignore so don't bother.

ok here's how we sort this out. you are both right in your own respects. blizzard are a respected company in the mmo world, and are taken very seriously by their competitors. likewise, CCP is a respected company and taken very seriously as well. some people like the fact that eve online has such a harsh death penalty system (because it makes the game more challenging in that respect), and likewise, some people prefer wow because it doesn't take everything off you if you die.

I personally can't stand eve online because I don't like having to wait a day to learn a skill, it seems (to me) like the game is doing it for me. thats my opinion, so what did I do? I left eve online and carried on playing wow. thats my choice. tbh all the views displayed in this thread are subjective (except for the lag issue that people have in wintergrasp).

now come on and get a grip you guys, you are both acting like children and its just pathetic.

   Yea the pvp in wow has gotten alot better I played WAR for a while got my guy to 40 and had some pvp fun but not as good as WOW. Almost every weekend there are huge city seiges now. Last week there was probably 150 people involved in a siege on Ironforge on my server.

 still the same boreing pvp 

- 5 great Battlegrounds
- 6 Arena theaters
- 100/100 Massive world PvP in Lake Wintergrasp with destructable Keeps, Towers, Tank combat and moblie Siege engines multiple times EACH night on every server.
- Open world daily PvP quests throughout Northrend (dozens of them)
- Large City raids on enemy's capitols with awards. Killing the opposite leaders as a main target
- Ladder based rated gear and weapons.
- Ranking the best PvP players worldwide per 20 server cluster or per server.
- Dueling options
- Seperate 200.000 dollar arena tournament with free to chose gear. Mostly done by professional PvP players. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duX4QpVaAQ
- Best fluid control of avatars

Yep the same "boring" pvp.

I wish all those other PvP based mmorpg games had these choices of play....

Why discuss when someone only sees what he wants to see?

Originally posted by woeye

- 5 great Battlegrounds
- 6 Arena theaters
- 100/100 Massive world PvP in Lake Wintergrasp with destructable Keeps, Towers, Tank combat and moblie Siege engines multiple times EACH night on every server.
- Open world daily PvP quests throughout Northrend (dozens of them)
- Large City raids on enemy's capitols with awards. Killing the opposite leaders as a main target
- Ladder based rated gear and weapons.
- Ranking the best PvP players worldwide per 20 server cluster or per server.
- Dueling options
- Seperate 200.000 dollar arena tournament with free to chose gear. Mostly done by professional PvP players. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duX4QpVaAQ
- Best fluid control of avatars

Yep the same "boring" pvp.

I wish all those other PvP based mmorpg games had these choices of play....

 

Why discuss when someone only sees what he wants to see?

im sorry but having a rated arena system, one pvp zone and the same battlegrounds forever basically means WoWs pvp is still tacted on to their actually decent pve mechanic.

Pvp is an addon and nothing more. all these little mini games were developed because most WoW players can't deal with large raid difficulty. hell blizzard had to get rid of 40 man raids because only the hardcore EQ raiders could actually do top tier content. It's a fact that less then 5% actually got threw Naxx before Tbc hit. So pvp is a newb gift for unskilled pvers.

Gotta give it up to blizzard it was a smart move.

Edit: before you say pve takes no skill need I remind you of the pvers that used to pvp in AQ40 and Naxx gear and Wtf pwn high ladder pvpers? yeah shows how skilled those players were and how skilless pvpers in wow are.

half of the PvPers in wow are twinks and so do no end-game PvP or arenas. they do not take skill, with enough money you can get the best gear and pawn the battlegrounds, but that doesn't make you a good player. most of them are really really bad players, the only reason they win is because they have superior gear, or gank up on individuals while shouting "OMG PWN UR A$$ NOOB 111NOOB111".

So lake wintergrasp sucks?  or is it just hella laggy?    Because that was one thing I was going to enjoy when I came back.  I left for WAR and loved its open PvP but I miss my fam so Im comming back to WoW soon.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

Like I said ... I would LOVE every MMORPG had ALL the above features "as an add on ..."  :)))

You really only play wow huh? Last time I checked other MMOs have instanced pvp, city siege, Arenas and duels lol.

"PvP is a gift for unskilled pve players"? That's why NOT one person could do the PvP achievements until today? While around 1% or less could do the Raid achievements?

What achievement? Old WoW players didnt have that achievement its new. Also I wouldnt be too proud of that Achievement mechanic. seems blizzard shoehorned that feature in it pales in comparison to CoH,Lotro and WARs version.

How many sponsored professional PvP players are there in your beloved EVE ?

Did i say anything about Eve in the post you quoted? you need to chill with the flaming/trolling ur gonna get banned :)

There are MORE PvP players in Wow than there are players in ALL other MMO's combined at the moment. If it's 20%, it would be around the 2.000.000 mark.

Sub numbers argument.... yadda... yadda thats all you have. I win all these arguments once you guys use that.

Oh and the prestiguous titles and ultra highest gear are distrubted on SERVER CLUSTERS (about 20). That's a players base of 200.000 players doing the same competition... with just one winner's title: the deadly Gladiator title.

LOL! you just brought up a title? hahahhahahahhahahahahhhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha

This is really sad now you need to stop posting lol.

NOT bad for ... an add on.

Nope perfectly viable for an addon to keep you guys paying while blizzard uses all your cash to make the next Basic feature MMO that you will blindly praise and support.

 

Edit: I wouldnt bring up that arena league feature too much, dont you have to pay extra for that? if so sounds like more of a cash shop feature to me.

 

 

 

Originally posted by GalvanizeX9

i started playing wow when it first launched then i left after sunwell opened up and i was hoping on hearing that the world pvp gotten better. can someone tell me if this game is worth coming back to anymore?

 

i was never really into the whole do 7 matches of arena and wait a week for your arena points to get your gear kinda player... i was more into the whole out door REAL pvp.

 

can someone fill me in on what has happened? if so im goin to keep playing AoC.

 

Thanks!

   Simple answer is NO it actually has gotten worse with WotLK , the DK has destroyed the mechanics of BGS and arena ladders.. I would go to Wows official PVP forum and read up there instead of the basing my decision on the responses of a few rabid Wow fanbois here.. You can read dozens of threads from hundreds of dedicated Wow players and how unhappy they are with PvP now..

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Z3R01

My son seems to be having a nice time.

He has a little paladin its cute seeing him run around and when he dies he gets to respawn fast like in some kind of FPS.

Its good for him, teaches him about pvp and with no Death penalty he doesn't get stressed out or upset.

You should see the little guy in 3v3 arenas he's jumping all over the room laughing with his friend from school.

So i would say WoWs pvp is fun and from my sons reaction it didn't need to get better.

 

 

 

Another one who wants to hide behind his "son".

That's what happens when Wow killers just ran out of arguments.

THAT's what makes me glad: they no longer talk about the game, but they begin to rant on the public that plays the game.

Tell your son, this is IT. He won't find any better , unless you want to play craptastic games of LOTS of promise but no delivery.

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Tell him he won't find ANY other MMORPG with these nice controlled fluid avatar moves.

Tell him he will need to adapt to avatars with a "stick in their asses" and clunky unresponsive controls and movement.

Tell him about the "real" mmo games are out there which will PROMISE things but NEVER deliver.

Tell him his daddy wanted real massive world PvP games of 100 against 100 every night,  but that daddy still waits for a new game that will have these promised things... while the son's been playing it all along.

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I think your kid has the right to be told the truth. Before he thinks you are filling out your savings in a spreadsheet every night in "playing" the "never leave the cockpit game"..... waiting for .... promised things.

Perhaps the son has the intelligence of his mother instead of father's views....

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Scorchien

 

   Simple answer is NO it actually has gotten worse with WotLK , the DK has destroyed the mechanics of BGS and arena ladders.. I would go to Wows official PVP forum and read up there instead of the basing my decision on the responses of a few rabid Wow fanbois here.. You can read dozens of threads from hundreds of dedicated Wow players and how unhappy they are with PvP now..

Nice try, but it would work counter productive in your Wow hate. You see ....it changed there a month ago....

You know these days a LOT of very serious and good discussions on Wow forums. And at least with the real remarks the game deserves.

Because if you want to post credible posts there you have to publish with the AVATAR picture directly linked to your armory and - new - achievement system.

The bullshit posts seen there are kept to a minimum in the level 80 department.

Stating something and with no proof is kinda silly isn't it ? With all these data throwing around....

if you want to have credibility there you post with the 80 Avatar. Of course level 1's are being made to trash, but a LOT less whining lately since the achievements were in place. !

So indeed the Armory and in game achievements system linked to your 80 avatar means far better in depth discussions than before.

I even find them TOO soft in judging serious gaming problems like the hidden arena ratings which demotivates players.

But to understand these duscussiions ... you have to PLAY the game actively and discuss things like a CD of 8 to 6 seconds....and not spit nonsense.

DK ? How come they weren't even in the arena finals ? :)))

 

                 Ill let the players speak for themselves ,

                         http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15657787752&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661687882&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443445304&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15659707559&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443253982&sid=1

http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/2/all/all/all/all/

2 classes making up 55% of 2v2 should tell you something.

Anyhow lotsa of credible lvl 80s commenting on the state of Wows PvP .. the fact that you continuously defend it and find absolutley nothin wrong with the state of Wows pvp just completely discredits you..

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

 

 

Since you don't know what achievements are, y... ou don't know what the non instanced Lake Wintegrasp PvP is either, nor Strand, nor Northrend PvP daily quests...

I simply stated Achievements weren't around back in the days of WoW, I've also mentioned that I have very close family members who still play WoW. I also have access to these accounts, so I know WoWs current state of the game. I do not post on a game if Im not up on current features within said game.

So why even intervene if you don't know anything about WotLK.

Of course I know about Wotlk, If i didnt I would have stopped posting when It released lol.

Because THAT was the thread  wasn't it? ... Oh I see the 6 points in PvP options I mentioned and you apparently don't know anything about anymore.

 THe POINT of the thread was "is wow pvp better in Wotlk" my response was to my son enjoying the pvp experience so I thought it was. Do you purposly try to forget peoples posts to validate your posting nonsense?

Try not to insult me saying my posts arent credible, first harassment, now insults? stalking? Back quoting? flaming? seriously grow up.

Originally posted by alkennjoi

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Z3R01

My son seems to be having a nice time.

He has a little paladin its cute seeing him run around and when he dies he gets to respawn fast like in some kind of FPS.

Its good for him, teaches him about pvp and with no Death penalty he doesn't get stressed out or upset.

You should see the little guy in 3v3 arenas he's jumping all over the room laughing with his friend from school.

So i would say WoWs pvp is fun and from my sons reaction it didn't need to get better.

 

 

 

Another one who wants to hide behind his "son".

That's what happens when Wow killers just ran out of arguments.

LOL! I discredit and break down WoWfanbois whenever im on this forum. I don't need to hide behind my boy, You guys fight for a basic feature MMO. You fight a losing battle even before it begins.

THAT's what makes me glad: they no longer talk about the game, but they begin to rant on the public that plays the game.

Tell your son, this is IT. He won't find any better , unless you want to play craptastic games of LOTS of promise but no delivery.

Craptastic to who? Not everyone wants to play a jack of all trades MMO,thats basically a Master of none.

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Tell him he won't find ANY other MMORPG with these nice controlled fluid avatar moves.

LOL! you mean the FPS controls? yeah thats a reason to play a MMO for years *rolls eyes*

Tell him he will need to adapt to avatars with a "stick in their asses" and clunky unresponsive controls and movement.

Clunky and unresponsive? in what game? certainly not Eve?

Tell him about the "real" mmo games are out there which will PROMISE things but NEVER deliver.

Promise what? like WoWs hero class mechanic that they scrapped infavor of a ezmode lame level 55 deathknight instead of adding complexity to a game you pay for hahahahahaha!

Tell him his daddy wanted real massive world PvP games of 100 against 100 every night,  but that daddy still waits for a new game that will have these promised things... while the son's been playing it all along.

Hmm last battle I was in it was closer to 500v500 tyvm, again your wrong. Also im glad my son likes WoW.

I think your kid has the right to be told the truth. Before he thinks you are filling out your savings in a spreadsheet every night in "playing" the "never leave the cockpit game"..... waiting for .... promised things.

LOL what nonsense, "tell me son the truth"? do you think my son hasen't watched me in my big fleet battles or running a mission?

Perhaps the son has the intelligence of his mother instead of father's views....

God I hope so considering my Wife is a writer and an amazing women in general. My views are my own, my son has no idea I can't stand WoW. I let the boy play what he wants and even keep up on the game to help him pwn guys like you all day.

 

This is sad. Why do you continue to argue with a person that actually knows about your game and could probably own your ass in the game and raided high tier content than you? Goto the DF forums were the negative posters actually never played the game before, its an easier fight.

Edit: I have never, ever argued a topic in a game forum that I myself wasn't a vet of. From EQ to EvE messing with my Opinions are pointless. everyone sooner or later starts to flame. keep the convos civil and stop trying to attack me. my opinions of your game aren't a direct attack on you, stop  taking this so seriously.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Edit: I have never, ever argued a topic in a game forum that I myself wasn't a vet of. From EQ to EvE messing with my Opinions are pointless. everyone sooner or later starts to flame. keep the convos civil and stop trying to attack me. my opinions of your game aren't a direct attack on you, stop  taking this so seriously.

 

 

Anyone who calls himself a "vet" in gaming usually is an arrogant self centered jerk whos good for nothing. Not saying that you're and arrogant self centered jerk, just that its the term those kind of people use. 

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Scorchien

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Nice try, but it would work counter productive in your Wow hate. You see ....it changed there a month ago....

You know these days a LOT of very serious and good discussions on Wow forums. And at least with the real remarks the game deserves.

Because if you want to post credible posts there you have to publish with the AVATAR picture directly linked to your armory and - new - achievement system.

The bullshit posts seen there are kept to a minimum in the level 80 department.

Stating something and with no proof is kinda silly isn't it ? With all these data throwing around....

if you want to have credibility there you post with the 80 Avatar. Of course level 1's are being made to trash, but a LOT less whining lately since the achievements were in place. !

So indeed the Armory and in game achievements system linked to your 80 avatar means far better in depth discussions than before.

I even find them TOO soft in judging serious gaming problems like the hidden arena ratings which demotivates players.

But to understand these duscussiions ... you have to PLAY the game actively and discuss things like a CD of 8 to 6 seconds....and not spit nonsense.

DK ? How come they weren't even in the arena finals ? :)))

 

                 Ill let the players speak for themselves ,

                         http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15657787752&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661687882&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443445304&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15659707559&sid=1

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443253982&sid=1

http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/2/all/all/all/all/

2 classes making up 55% of 2v2 should tell you something.

Anyhow lotsa of credible lvl 80s commenting on the state of Wows PvP .. the fact that you continuously defend it and find absolutley nothin wrong with the state of Wows pvp just completely discredits you..

 

Official Arena play is organised around 3vs3 and play balance is group based on this and 5vs5.

In 5vs5 ... 9 classes out of 10 are in the top 4 arena teams. What more could you want ?

Also the threads are just a discussion thread following players emotions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duX4QpVaAQ

proves Wow is a professional e-sport event, not one other MMORPG can even come close to these thousands of dollars line of event spread out in the gaming world.

Glad you just put yourself out of that PvP league. As an amateur you have NO idea what you are talking about.

 

                   Lol  anyone can go visit there site view  hundreds of threads with thousands of players unhappy with the state of PvP.. You have proven again that you are just a flaming fanboi .. Whos E-GF can do no wrong ....

heh just player emotion .. weather good or bad all players are participating for emotion .. even you in your undying defense of Wow you are doing it out of emotion , without it there would be no reason to play weather its happy, anger,hate ,joy,power,elitist,loyalty,friendship we all play with emotion .. But you just keep talkin and discredit your self and opinions .. By disreagrding all the players responses in those threads becuase they have emotion , only further discredits yourself..

I have played WoW since launch and can say that the pvp in the game has been horrible for well over 2 years. Season 2 of arena marked the end of its and it has gone south every since. Get used to it because frankly the game is all about pve with a splash of pvp because of the two factions.

WoW has the best balanced pvp in  any MMORPG out today. Every class can kill every class and they are all very different in pvp. It's gear based, so if you're not doing raids to get the best equipment once you hit the lvl cap you're done, it's like fighting level 80's while you're level 70. You just won't win.

Aside from the very highest lvls, the game is incredibly balanced and anyone who says it's unfair is just upset that they can't win in pvp. I died alot, but I also won a lot more.

You'll always play someone with more skill than you, someone who plays more and is more diehard, but that's just life. You're never the best.

again, wow is the best pvp balanced game on the market, and most entertaining with quick movement and fast reactions.