Originally posted by Wrender

Heh Urvan is sounding more and more like a Gold Spammer with each post. Dig that hole! The truth will set you free!

I hear ya.

To be honest.. Making a too big thing about nothing to be honest.

it's common that companies bans Proxy-users due to the easy answer. "You could be a bot/spammer/something we do not want in our game" They have all right in the world to ban anyone they seem suspicious. Which you did. And yes, using proxys is not illegal. Still doesn't prove the point that they did anything wrong. If you rant about the same thing you've done over the last four pages. You've lost your valid point =p

cheers.

And oh, for all others.. He is a guy, he has a boyfriend (if you don't mean Best friend that is, then you're just plain stupid)

So i'd say.. Live with it =p

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Originally posted by NotArkard

 Even on the same network, different computers have different external IP addresses.

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LOL, have you ever heard about PAT aka nat overloading. With that you can have a network with some private ip adresses, all using the same public ip. How is this possible you ask? well the router assigns a port number to the public ip.
Example

Private Ipdresses.
Computer1: 192.168.1.100
Computer2: 192.168.1.102
Computer3: 192.168.1.103

public IP
80.100.100.100

Accesing www.mmorpg.com

If EG computer1 would access www.mmorpg.com he could get the public ip with a random portnumber like
80.100.100.100:10000. when the user gets feed back from the website, the website would send feedback to 80.100.100.100:10000.
When the router retrives the package, the router will look up at what private ip, it assigned that port number (:10000 which was 192.168.1.100) and send it to that ip address.

This way SEVERAL of private ip addresses can share i public ip address, they all just get a seperate port number.

ofcause this slows up the latency because the router has to assign port numbers and "unpack" the bitstream up to the 4th layer of the OSImodel (transport layer) to look up the port number, when a package takes a trip, but as long as it isent to many ips, it is not THAT really notaceble..

so what if we dont have a session that started from the inside, how will outside computers beable to access a computer on the private network? EG if you have a webserver on a computer, well here you use port forwarding in the router. You assign some ports to a ip eg if it is a webserver you assign port 80 (or 8080) to the private webserver, so when people from the outside type your ip in the browser the router will redirect the packet to the private webserver. (unless you type the ip with another portnumber than 80)

ps. i dont want to get in to the whole DNS thing, why i havent mentioned it.

Oh please keep doing with the networking lesson. Brings back those fond memories of college.

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ofcause this slows up the latency because the router has to assign port numbers and "unpack" the bitstream up to the 4th layer of the OSImodel (transport layer) to look up the port number, when a package takes a trip, but as long as it isent to many ips, it is not THAT really notaceble..

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Of cause it does.

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Originally posted by NotArkard

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ofcause this slows up the latency because the router has to assign port numbers and "unpack" the bitstream up to the 4th layer of the OSImodel (transport layer) to look up the port number, when a package takes a trip, but as long as it isent to many ips, it is not THAT really notaceble..

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Of cause it does.

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Originally posted by Urvan

Yep its true.  Me and my b/f was going to give FFXI another go since they now implimented this Level Sync thing we thought it might be easier to find members to party with since we used to sit around for hours getting no where.  Now around 2 days ago, during the time that me and my b/f were actually playing he suddenly got booted out of the game and got error LM-17 which according to most websites means a ban has been placed on the account.  I managed to contact their so called live chat support and got told the same shit I already gathered, that it was banned, and according to STF his account was banned because of improper obtainment of the trial key O_o  Whats mostly funny is that we did go via the official site, the only thing we did wrong was use Hotspot Shield instead of waiting forever to obtain 2 keys since it only seems to allow you to gain one every god knows how many hours and used a fake/rerouting email address because we didn't see why we should give a real one when we just want the damn key!  So.. I donno what kind of shit STF are smoking but if these are the reasons to why they did it then well they clearly have nothing better to do and still letting RMT run wild over innocent potential customers who just wanna try the damn game!   Oh and get this, chat support was uncooperative about doing anything about it and kept telling us to phone them, how does this make any difference?? Anyways, just wanted to get that off my chest and share this funny news with you guys, thanks for reading.

O.o you don't see why you got band ... and you even got 2 reasons for it, and you know that they're true. There are rules so that people, won't be able to use the game for there advantage, as an example: play the game for free with trials or spamming. Maybe you didn't want to do something illegal , but you could so there for you got banned.

Take a brief man, and btw people say that SE have the best service and support system in the world for mmos, and they put most work in it, so don't dis it lol you won't get anywhere. Anyways have fun :D

There isn't a clause about banning people for using proxies in the ToS, but I think there is a clause about SE reserving the right to ban your account for any reason they feel like. Remember that everything on SE's servers belongs to SE. You're more or less "renting" your account.

Originally posted by AgentsAreGo

There isn't a clause about banning people for using proxies in the ToS, but I think there is a clause about SE reserving the right to ban your account for any reason they feel like. Remember that everything on SE's servers belongs to SE. You're more or less "renting" your account.

O.o really!, well Idc, I feel they treat me good and I know what they do, to make this game clean and fair. And what happened to the banned guy, was fair.

To you banned guy, take a brief and get over it. In the IT world shit happens, people shouldn't get angry because of it. Well I got a good laugh of it, just so you know it, you make you self look dumb, sorry.

Originally posted by Vapiant

Originally posted by AgentsAreGo

There isn't a clause about banning people for using proxies in the ToS, but I think there is a clause about SE reserving the right to ban your account for any reason they feel like. Remember that everything on SE's servers belongs to SE. You're more or less "renting" your account.

 

O.o really!, well Idc, I feel they treat me good and I know what they do, to make this game clean and fair. And what happened to the banned guy, was fair.

To you banned guy, take a brief and get over it. In the IT world shit happens, people shouldn't get angry because of it. Well I got a good laugh of it, just so you know it, you make you self look dumb, sorry.

Well, a lot of businesses have some sort of thing like that to fall back on. It's the same thing as when you see a sign in a store that says "We reserve the right to refuse service" or something. Typically they're not going to if you're not doing anything wrong since they want your money. They're probably a bit less lenient on free accounts because they haven't given any money.

Why is everyone feeding this obvious troll?

He did something he shouldn't have, and got caught.

He is, of course, never going to admit this.  So any arguing that fact is going to prove fruitless.

Looks like everything worked out fine. Nice to see someone posting about when a game does something right. Congrats.

Dev

i think the point the op is trying to get across here is that there was no warning or nothing, and any contact after the initial message was sent to him was bunk with no sympathy.  As much as i have used proxys and things like the op used to obtain the keys, iv never had to deal with angry support...whats it like???  if your really angry about it we could plot to sabotosh SE's servers ...that sound good? hmm...i dont wana get on SE's bad side though for the soul reason aion will be king of the mmo's and i wana be able to play it. 

Originally posted by ic0n67

Just gonna venture to guess here, but you probably got your account terminated because you used an outside source to get your key? I am not sure what that Hotspot thing is. Just think of it as someone looking from the outside. RMTs probably do the exact same thing you did so they can get in get some gil and get out as quickly as possibile to avoid detection. I am not sure how the whole trial thing works to be honest I know in WoW you can't really interact with anything to counteract this very thing. Maybe that is more like the answer to the problem, but then again FFXI is a much more communal game than WoW.

Also, for the tech support thing: Making a phone call is more effort than an email. I do not believe those that were temp banned eariler this year were turned back on until people called up support. It might help show that you are not some person who is just going about to farm up some gil. They would probably just go get another account and keep moving on and an email is not much effort to try and fix the problem. Plus it helps when you don't answer the phone: "Nei ho"

ni hao you meant :)

Originally posted by TsukieU

Why is everyone feeding this obvious troll?

 

He did something he shouldn't have, and got caught.

 

He is, of course, never going to admit this.  So any arguing that fact is going to prove fruitless.

He isn't being a troll. If he was spreading out to other post about it then I would call him a troll. He is just really defending he point; that just happens to be wrong. If you guys do notice he stopped coming back to try though ... time to put this puppy to bed.

Originally posted by NotArkard

It is an anti-RMT measure. Using Hotspot Shield, or webproxies and using fake e-mail addresses are the most common things for RMTs to do, so they can create a thousand accounts, log into a game and spam the hell out of people.

If there is a next time, use real e-mail addresses. Also, if there's two of you, I assume there's two computers(unless you devised some magnificent way to play split-screen FFXI). That means one key per computer. No need to even use Hotspot Shield, and I don't see why you did. Even on the same network, different computers have different external IP addresses.

Yes i agree as to the purpose,but the real solution is to not allow any interaction by trial players.OR at the very least no trading of gil or items,the ONLY thing they should allow is the trading of say a LINKPEARL.I mean the whole purpose of a trial is to get the feel for the game,you should not be worried about any trading anyhow.Eliminating trading would mean only the legit people would make any use of the trial accounts.