Originally posted by DiTH

Originally posted by pprllo

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Hackers do not hack enrypted packets to speedhack, thats a LONG way around. They hacked the client itself, found the part responsible for encrypting (if they do that at all) and sending packets and modified it to send their own version of packets. Decoding encrypted stuff takes time,if you dont know how it was encrypted. Its much easier to just reverse engineer the code itself. Well, at least thats how i see i would of done it, not that I could... or would...

But yeah, if the client side was hacked, there is no way (other then visually monitoring the hacker) to tell when someone is speedhacking. If server would process client packets, then there would be server side processin, which I dont think any MMO is capable of doing atm (imagine processing millions of packets by millions of clients, would probably need a HAL9000 type computer).

Actually the server HAS TO process client packets, because it has to notify the positions of all players to every player. So, you can write a 3 line check for speed hack that basically goes "IF PositionNow - PositionBefore > NineThousands Then KickThisMotherFucker".
 

 

 

Actually i think the speedhack is saying that you can sprint without losing stamina forever.Not run faster.So the check you just mentioned would kick everything trying to sprint. :P

Actually it has an option to be fast or normal, and both without stam loss...

This person has no clue about programming.

Originally posted by Sturmrabe

Originally posted by Trand

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by Trand

Originally posted by Thunderous

Originally posted by Trand

Sigh these are not hacks they are MODS! No diffrent than what people download and use for WoW! They just make the game more enjoyable for some people, I swear all you people just make up this stuff to bash DarkFail.

 

 

 

Those are indeed hacks that give an unfair speed advantage to a player.  It's unfortunate that the Darkfall client is heavily packed client-side, it really is.

With little or no GM presence it is almost impossible to detect.  I don't see how Aventurine can fix this, I really don't.

Your just a DarkFail hater,  these are not hacks, if there were hacks there would be videos on the net yet there are none! You just don't want to admit that DF alows features in it's game that your carebear game never thought of!!!!

DarkFail is here to stay, Just deal with it and go back to WoW!

 

fine here is the damn vid....dont care if i get banned

 

 

What Link?  You have no proof! Darkfail 4life
 

Why do haters come in here and try to bash this game? Its going to have an awesome vibrant modding community to make Obliv/Fallout3 look like shit!

I could guarantee that DF would flourish if they allowed player modding.  That might end up being what they will have to do just to keep afloat.

I can tell you now, if Adventurine opened DFO to player added content they would get my money.

why so serious?

I was just playing along w/ the sarcasm!

Originally posted by Cochran1

Speed hack is usually the first to surface in any new game, but Adventurine's professional testers   Advanced AI BOTS apparently weren't talented enough to find exploits like that.

Fixed!!

Originally posted by Sturmrabe

why so serious?

I was just playing along w/ the sarcasm!

Oh don't worry, I never post anything seriously on these forums.  I always have some hidden agenda.

Originally posted by Sturmrabe

Actually it has an option to be fast or normal, and both without stam loss...

This person has no clue about programming.

Speedhack = Faster than allowed by rules, in my book.

What you're talking about is a stamina hack.
 

Stamina hack may be an hell harder to fix, depending on their system. There's chance that the server actually has no information over the stamina of the players and it is managed completely client-side, which would make fixing a stamina hack almost impossible.

Originally posted by OBK1

They had a thread on the official forums with a link to a speedhack video, the thread was taken down but the video did pretty much speak for itself :(

I even think it was an advert for a company that had made the hack. Oh well, they need to stop this sort of thing really really fast. Now there is proof for its existence the real test is how fast they react against this cheating! Even for the most hardcore fans I imagine this could be a gamebreaker if not taken care of.

is it like the speedhack in the comic 'the noob'... i mean they're friends with av and all..

you put one hand on your bottom and you go real fast... you put both hands on your rump and you go so fast that you almost break the server.

Nerds on a forum arguing about packets belittlng each other with "Has no clue about programming".

I think some people here either need to get laid, get back into an MMO to melt their brain or GTFO.

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Originally posted by pprllo

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Originally posted by Sturmrabe
Actually it has an option to be fast or normal, and both without stam loss...
This person has no clue about programming.

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Speedhack = Faster than allowed by rules, in my book.
What you're talking about is a stamina hack.
 
Stamina hack may be an hell harder to fix, depending on their system. There's chance that the server actually has no information over the stamina of the players and it is managed completely client-side, which would make fixing a stamina hack almost impossible.
 
 

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If you'd have watched the video before the mods deleted the link you would have seen that the person was running at an abnormaly fast rate as well as not having any stamina loss. Their hack program allows you to turn different hacks on and off as you are playing so it demonstrated the speed hack and the stam hack and then both at the same time. It was pretty clearly not just sped up, nor was it a sync issue as when he swung his sword as he was blazing around the sword swing speed was normal. I'm sure the video is still on Youtube.

Originally posted by pprllo

Originally posted by Sturmrabe

Actually it has an option to be fast or normal, and both without stam loss...

This person has no clue about programming.

Speedhack = Faster than allowed by rules, in my book.

What you're talking about is a stamina hack.
 

Stamina hack may be an hell harder to fix, depending on their system. There's chance that the server actually has no information over the stamina of the players and it is managed completely client-side, which would make fixing a stamina hack almost impossible.

 

We don't have any proof of what authorative peices of information are held where on either server / client. 

But.. if DF uses too much client side then this is going to be a very very rough ride. Really it depends on how smart we think the developers are. At that point I think I'll stop saying anything.

Originally posted by chinchilla32

Nerds on a forum arguing about packets belittlng each other with "Has no clue about programming".

I think some people here either need to get laid, get back into an MMO to melt their brain or GTFO.

This is funny..

Here's the secret to being cool: Call someone talking about something you don't know anything about a Nerd, then tell them to get out and get laid.. and end it with some cool internet acronym, like GTFO.. This is it folks!!

If you are going to come here and make comments about stuff by insulting people..don't bother.  they voice legimit concnerns about things that are clearly above your intellect level.  Maybe you should "GTFO and read a book"..

Nevermind, posts were removed.

 Why bother, when helpful mods will do it for him? 

Smells like a coverup... 

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Originally posted by rturja

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Originally posted by pprllo

Man, I was clearly oversimplifying it. I guess this game uses UDP packets, the only MMORPG that uses TCP packets is WoW AFAIK.

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Actually quite a few MMORPG's use TCP as connected protocol incorporates already lots of stuff needed. Reinventing the wheel and using homerolled packet validity checkers isn't usually worth the hassle. Only exception using UDP that I am aware of is Asherons Call which uses very wacky twoway implemetation. Some games might theoretically have both UDP and TCP connection to the server for transferring different data but haven't seen this so far.
The games usually using UDP are the shooters and such.

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That's what we do for DarkSpace. UDP is generally used for 'non-critical' data such as movement updates as we can afford to drop a few packets on occasion, although this would not necessarily work for other titles. If the server detects any issues with the UDP stream, it falls back to using the TCP protocol for all updates.

If you have a decent firewall operating, you will be able to use it's monitors to see that there are a number of popular titles which use both UDP and TCP streams for active game play.

What is to cover up?  Anyone that isn't looking at the world through a welding helmet knows that this game is far from exploiter proof.

Originally posted by blix2006

<Mod edit>  are you sure looks like a speed hack to me

it's sync issues for sure i tried speed hacking and i'm a professional hacker but i'm not gona make hacks for this game cause i love it if they do attend to hack i will tell AV what to patch ^^.

Anyways my speed hack failed my comp shut down lol.

Originally posted by Chimps

Originally posted by blix2006

<Mod edit>  are you sure looks like a speed hack to me

 

it's sync issues for sure i tried speed hacking and i'm a professional hacker but i'm not gona make hacks for this game cause i love it if they do attend to hack i will tell AV what to patch ^^.

Anyways my speed hack failed my comp shut down lol.

No, its not.

Stop saying that.

Its a speed hack advertisement with video footage of its use in game.

LOOK IT UP and stop being blind or other.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Chimps

Originally posted by blix2006

<Mod edit>  are you sure looks like a speed hack to me

 

it's sync issues for sure i tried speed hacking and i'm a professional hacker but i'm not gona make hacks for this game cause i love it if they do attend to hack i will tell AV what to patch ^^.

Anyways my speed hack failed my comp shut down lol.

 

No, its not.

 

Stop saying that.

Its a speed hack advertisement with video footage of its use in game.

LOOK IT UP and stop being blind or other.

 

 

. . . but he is a professional hacker.  Surely he should know what he is doing, right?

*snicker*

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Originally posted by Drafell

If you have a decent firewall operating, you will be able to use it's monitors to see that there are a number of popular titles which use both UDP and TCP streams for active game play.

Kinda thought that dualstreaming would be logical step these days, but haven't really bothered looking that much under the hood what's happening, even if a simple netstat would tell it all :)

Only time any firewall voodoo was needed for me was AC which wouldn't connect without doing some bidirectional natting.