Honestly I see no issue with blaming religion as it is in all honesty the cause of much hardship and through history was used to control people and is still used as a weapon today. Religion is and was and perhaps always will be used as a weapon to get others to believe in the same things as you. But I still believe it is some ones right to believe in a god.  Of course since im a non-believer I will most likely be flamed myself for thinking different.

*edit add* I dont mean blaming it completely for everything in the current discussion since in the end it is our choice*

I would also like to point out how some people talk about two men being together as a sin. Well from my understanding a sin is a sin simply put no sin is more evil than another. Thus those who eat too much are sinners because Gluttony is a sin to my recollection.  Basically 99% of us Americans are sinners. How do you justify using the bibel saying its a sin when so is eating that extra muffin for desert? :P

For some reason, I just don't feel threatened....

Originally posted by DubonEngeven

I would also like to point out how some people talk about two men being together as a sin. Well from my understanding a sin is a sin simply put no sin is more evil than another. Thus those who eat too much are sinners because Gluttony is a sin to my recollection.  Basically 99% of us Americans are sinners. How do you justify using the bibel saying its a sin when so is eating that extra muffin for desert? :P

Because all man sin when the disobeyed and ate the apple from the serpent, Jesus is supposed to absorb the sins off all man when he was sacrificed. Accepting Jesus is supposed to grant you access to Heaven. Am I incorrect?

I like that video it was funny.

all the views are very interesting, but gay marriage will be inevitably allowed but it will take ALONG VERY LONG time to get allowed, so why everyone is having a hatred spree i have yet to wonder, but everyone is allowed to there own opinions i suppose

Should not be allowed. I meen you cant breed with shit on your dick.

gays can flood into the Netherlands where gays have right to marry

Originally posted by DubonEngeven

I would also like to point out how some people talk about two men being together as a sin. Well from my understanding a sin is a sin simply put no sin is more evil than another. Thus those who eat too much are sinners because Gluttony is a sin to my recollection.  Basically 99% of us Americans are sinners. How do you justify using the bibel saying its a sin when so is eating that extra muffin for desert? :P

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: The bible doesn't use the word abomination vary much but this one of the times it does,which is trying to emphasize the severity of it.:Leviticus 20:13
 

If God creates a women for man and you refuse that woman then its like slap in the face.Thus the word abomination was added.

The only sin that was not forgiven in the bible was the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Many believe that man or a gay has given in to his or her Passions or lust,if you are born with a passion for the same sex then this is your cross to bare,whether you chose to serve your-self or your god is up to you.To deny your-self and your passions is the greatness service to God.When Eve took the apple it was a selfish act.

Originally posted by frodus

Originally posted by DubonEngeven

I would also like to point out how some people talk about two men being together as a sin. Well from my understanding a sin is a sin simply put no sin is more evil than another. Thus those who eat too much are sinners because Gluttony is a sin to my recollection.  Basically 99% of us Americans are sinners. How do you justify using the bibel saying its a sin when so is eating that extra muffin for desert? :P

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: The bible doesn't use the word abomination vary much but this one of the times it does,which is trying to emphasize the severity of it.:Leviticus 20:13
 

If God creates a women for man and you refuse that woman then its like slap in the face.Thus the word abomination was added.

The only sin that was not forgiven in the bible was the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Many believe that man or a gay has given in to his or her Passions or lust,if you are born with a passion for the same sex then this is your cross to bare,whether you chose to serve your-self or your god is up to you.To deny your-self and your passions is the greatness service to God.When Eve took the apple it was a selfish act.

 

Thanks for sharing your scary interpretation of God's love for us.  Yikes!  I wonder if you know what Leviticus is all about, or that Jesus came to visit us since that was written?  No wonder so many people run when they hear what you have to say.  I would too.

But hey, if you want to go read scary stuff like that and call it love for mankind, then that's all you.  My church doesn't teach that however.  I do hear there is a nice guy named Fred Phelps who concurs with your views and interpretations on those texts however.  You guys should hang out sometime.

Now, back to the issue.  Like I said, my church does not teach that and does perform gay marriages.  It is my religious practice.  You're free to your spooky one, and I would like the same respect towards me when it comes to our version.  We won't go and get the government to force you to "believe" one way and it would be nice to have the favor returned.

In the meantime, that's just what you're doing if you pass legislation for the government not to recognize my religious practice.  You're using the government to pick one religion over another.  That is not what the Constitution says we are supposed to do in our free nation.  Therefore, I demand my equal rights.  If your religious marriage is recognized, then so should my religious marriage be recognized as well and all those nice breaks and privileges that you folks automatically get from that recognition.

ok civil rights is fine and dandy, but im sure if you were to get married in texas in the area where i am at , you would get shot in less than half a second. but thats not the point, from my stand point the goverment is trying to maintain civil order not pick one religion over another, this has NOTHING to do with religion what soever on my stand point, i may be wrong, but from what i see its trying to maintain civil order among american citizens, im sure you wouldnt enjoy seeing a riot outside your window with a sign saying "NO GAY MARRIAGES", that would soon turn into physical violence to show how serious they are, seeing how the amercian life has shown it.

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by frodus

Originally posted by DubonEngeven

I would also like to point out how some people talk about two men being together as a sin. Well from my understanding a sin is a sin simply put no sin is more evil than another. Thus those who eat too much are sinners because Gluttony is a sin to my recollection.  Basically 99% of us Americans are sinners. How do you justify using the bibel saying its a sin when so is eating that extra muffin for desert? :P

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: The bible doesn't use the word abomination vary much but this one of the times it does,which is trying to emphasize the severity of it.:Leviticus 20:13
 

If God creates a women for man and you refuse that woman then its like slap in the face.Thus the word abomination was added.

The only sin that was not forgiven in the bible was the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Many believe that man or a gay has given in to his or her Passions or lust,if you are born with a passion for the same sex then this is your cross to bare,whether you chose to serve your-self or your god is up to you.To deny your-self and your passions is the greatness service to God.When Eve took the apple it was a selfish act.

 

Thanks for sharing your scary interpretation of God's love for us.  Yikes!  I wonder if you know what Leviticus is all about, or that Jesus came to visit us since that was written?  No wonder so many people run when they hear what you have to say.  I would too.

But hey, if you want to go read scary stuff like that and call it love for mankind, then that's all you.  My church doesn't teach that however.  I do hear there is a nice guy named Fred Phelps who concurs with your views and interpretations on those texts however.  You guys should hang out sometime.

Now, back to the issue.  Like I said, my church does not teach that and does perform gay marriages.  It is my religious practice.  You're free to your spooky one, and I would like the same respect towards me when it comes to our version.  We won't go and get the government to force you to "believe" one way and it would be nice to have the favor returned.

In the meantime, that's just what you're doing if you pass legislation for the government not to recognize my religious practice.  You're using the government to pick one religion over another.  That is not what the Constitution says we are supposed to do in our free nation.  Therefore, I demand my equal rights.  If your religious marriage is recognized, then so should my religious marriage be recognized as well and all those nice breaks and privileges that you folks automatically get from that recognition.

What about those that leave the gay life style,what about Sodom and Gomorrah,it wasn't destroyed because they where obeying gods law.

Upallnight i read all your thoughts on this matter and I'm well aware that we disagree on this subject,but Jesus came back to enforce gods law not change it.

When they came to stone the women to death for a simple act of adultery and Jesus intervened and said to her go and sin no more,the implication was she was to stop what she was doing..he didn't give her permission to continue with the adultery.And he didn't comdemn her either,inforceing his love and protection for her.Just if he was to meet you now and say to you go and sin no more.

We all have our cross to bare.

Originally posted by frodus

What about those that leave the gay life style,what about Sodom and Gomorrah,it wasn't destroyed because they where obeying gods law.

Upallnight i read all your thoughts on this matter and I'm well aware that we disagree on this subject,but Jesus came back to enforce gods law not change it.

When they came to stone the women to death for a simple act of adultery and Jesus intervened and said to her go and sin no more,the implication was she was to stop what she was doing..he didn't give her permission to continue with the adultery.And he didn't comdemn her either,inforceing his love and protection for her.Just if he was to meet you now and say to you go and sin no more.

We all have our cross to bare.

 

Does this mean that when jesus comes back he's going to be a heroin taking, weed smoking, cocaine snorting junkie? wow

Gays should not be allowed to marry as there will be no value remaining for customs, traditions & family life...

Originally posted by frodus

Originally posted by upallnight

Originally posted by frodus

Originally posted by DubonEngeven

I would also like to point out how some people talk about two men being together as a sin. Well from my understanding a sin is a sin simply put no sin is more evil than another. Thus those who eat too much are sinners because Gluttony is a sin to my recollection.  Basically 99% of us Americans are sinners. How do you justify using the bibel saying its a sin when so is eating that extra muffin for desert? :P

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: The bible doesn't use the word abomination vary much but this one of the times it does,which is trying to emphasize the severity of it.:Leviticus 20:13
 

If God creates a women for man and you refuse that woman then its like slap in the face.Thus the word abomination was added.

The only sin that was not forgiven in the bible was the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Many believe that man or a gay has given in to his or her Passions or lust,if you are born with a passion for the same sex then this is your cross to bare,whether you chose to serve your-self or your god is up to you.To deny your-self and your passions is the greatness service to God.When Eve took the apple it was a selfish act.

 

Thanks for sharing your scary interpretation of God's love for us.  Yikes!  I wonder if you know what Leviticus is all about, or that Jesus came to visit us since that was written?  No wonder so many people run when they hear what you have to say.  I would too.

But hey, if you want to go read scary stuff like that and call it love for mankind, then that's all you.  My church doesn't teach that however.  I do hear there is a nice guy named Fred Phelps who concurs with your views and interpretations on those texts however.  You guys should hang out sometime.

Now, back to the issue.  Like I said, my church does not teach that and does perform gay marriages.  It is my religious practice.  You're free to your spooky one, and I would like the same respect towards me when it comes to our version.  We won't go and get the government to force you to "believe" one way and it would be nice to have the favor returned.

In the meantime, that's just what you're doing if you pass legislation for the government not to recognize my religious practice.  You're using the government to pick one religion over another.  That is not what the Constitution says we are supposed to do in our free nation.  Therefore, I demand my equal rights.  If your religious marriage is recognized, then so should my religious marriage be recognized as well and all those nice breaks and privileges that you folks automatically get from that recognition.

 

What about those that leave the gay life style,what about Sodom and Gomorrah,it wasn't destroyed because they where obeying gods law.

Upallnight i read all your thoughts on this matter and I'm well aware that we disagree on this subject,but Jesus came back to enforce gods law not change it.

When they came to stone the women to death for a simple act of adultery and Jesus intervened and said to her go and sin no more,the implication was she was to stop what she was doing..he didn't give her permission to continue with the adultery.And he didn't comdemn her either,inforceing his love and protection for her.Just if he was to meet you now and say to you go and sin no more.

 

We all have our cross to bare.

 

Again, you keep bringing up your religious problems with this.  All the while you are not recognizing that this is not a religious issue.  This is an issue between you and the Constitution and Bill of Rights of this country.  The government is not supposed to show favor to one religion over another.  It's all there if you want to read it.
 

If you want to have a religious debate then go have it with someone you might persuade.  But there are a lot of us who have already chosen our religion and church and mine do not condemn gay marriage.  And if the government decides to recognize one religious practice over another, then it is going agains the founding documents of this country.  You have now stepped across the line of "equal rights for all" into the realm of "rights if you're in the majority".  That is not America.

I'm not going to get into a religious debate here with you.  I've found my way to Christ and that's all you need to know about me.  I've got my church and my salvation.  And it does not include a scary rendition or interpretation of God.  Try using the scare tactics on someone who might be more susceptible to them.

Oh, and I'm not usually one to correct people on their spelling being about as dyslexic as they come, but it's not bare it is bear.  If you "bare" a cross then you are unwrapping it.  I think you were trying to imply that I am instead supposed to have that cross as a burden.  And while I'm at it, might I suggest that you too have your cross to bear as well, perhaps one of non-judgment on others and their lives.  Or perhaps your cross is to let others find their salvation in their own way instead of you trying to force your beliefs on others.  And when you start using the government to manipulate peoples behavior, you are forcing your beliefs on them. 

Originally posted by calvin80

Gays should not be allowed to marry as there will be no value remaining for customs, traditions & family life...

That's a sweet argument for you, I'm sure.

In the meantime you're still using the government to recognize one religion over the other.  Can we stick to the issue here, please?

Originally posted by Bloodlust221

ok civil rights is fine and dandy, but im sure if you were to get married in texas in the area where i am at , you would get shot in less than half a second. but thats not the point, from my stand point the goverment is trying to maintain civil order not pick one religion over another, this has NOTHING to do with religion what soever on my stand point, i may be wrong, but from what i see its trying to maintain civil order among american citizens, im sure you wouldnt enjoy seeing a riot outside your window with a sign saying "NO GAY MARRIAGES", that would soon turn into physical violence to show how serious they are, seeing how the amercian life has shown it.

All this tells me is that Texas is still extremely bigoted and stuck in the dark ages. Didn't you use to do the same to black people? Actuaaly if you look at the number of "lynchings" in the USA today i think Texas is still right up near the top of the list. Maybe beaten by Alabama but hey. In Alabama can't you marry a horse?

Originally posted by ounumen

Should not be allowed. I meen you cant breed with shit on your dick.

Well neither can you so whats your point or are you just increasing your post count like the guy who bumped this tired old topic.

Originally posted by frodus

We all have our cross to bare.

 

Now if a Christian or Muslim comes to your house and shoots you dead on in the face, it'd be nothing to worry about, you deserved it. Yea, you f*cking prick, you heard right.

Crackin on a different state, humurous to you im sure but back to the point, you are not understanding that the government is trying to hold civil order, take that into thought for a second before making your fool hearty jokes mate, im sure in new jersey or another state there will be some moron who hates gays like crazy and will pop a cap in there head, but hey thats me mate, im only looking beyond the "hey its because there favoring one religion over another" sights