The OP was well written and sounded exciting. Normally I would not say the below but I feel DF has too much written descriptions (e.g. Lord Tasos) when reality is more grounded.

When watching DF videos do not compared in anyway to the textual description. Yes... you can PvP anyone ... yes you can take there stuff. The problem is.. thats it. No trade routes, no trade shipping, no politics, no formation fighting and dismal crafting which is most likely going to be Macro assisted.

All I get visions of when thinking of DF during the OP post,  is the following  :

• Horrible sound effects which do not scale over distance. When your heard that battle it sounded like it was going on RIGHT next door.
• Horrible Benny HIll Style fighting which is no better than the leet teh pwnzr crap of WoW bunny hopping. As I have said before I am embarrassed that Tasos invoked the words "like" M&B to describe this game
• Stiff back pain induced animation with TWO.. yes ... TWO modes of attack. 
• Hack .. Hack.. Hack.. Run... Run.. Hack fights.. but with no real blocking. I still want to see raised shields and decent thud of arrows in them. Death should be almost instant if you are hit from behind. Hint: Thats where your buddy is supposed to be !

Sorry but as well written the post is and passionate but  I don't feel the game is simply that amazing. Certainly it exists in people minds because of the lack of decent  PvP MMOs and the cookie cutter forumula many companies have taken on. Fills a niche.. yeah... the second coming of Christ ? Afriad not.

Originally posted by tombear81

 The OP was well written and sounded exciting. Normally I would not say the below but I feel DF has too much written descriptions (e.g. Lord Tasos) when reality is more grounded.

When watching DF videos do not compared in anyway to the textual description. Yes... you can PvP anyone ... yes you can take there stuff. The problem is.. thats it. No trade routes, no trade shipping, no politics, no formation fighting and dismal crafting which is most likely going to be Macro assisted.

 

All I get visions of when thinking of DF during the OP post,  is the following  :

• Horrible sound effects which do not scale over distance. When your heard that battle it sounded like it was going on RIGHT next door.
• Horrible Benny HIll Style fighting which is no better than the leet teh pwnzr crap of WoW bunny hopping. As I have said before I am embarrassed that Tasos invoked the words "like" M&B to describe this game
• Stiff back pain induced animation with TWO.. yes ... TWO modes of attack. 
• Hack .. Hack.. Hack.. Run... Run.. Hack fights.. but with no real blocking. I still want to see raised shields and decent thud of arrows in them. Death should be almost instant if you are hit from behind. Hint: Thats where your buddy is supposed to be !

Sorry but as well written the post is and passionate but  I don't feel the game is simply that amazing. Certainly it exists in people minds because of the lack of decent  PvP MMOs and the cookie cutter forumula many companies have taken on. Fills a niche.. yeah... the second coming of Christ ? Afriad not.

The OP just wanted to tell about his PvP experiences. He did not talk about the trade routes or politics.

But if you read between the lines you can find alot of politic.

Maybe he will write about his crafting trading experiences next time?

Originally posted by TowlieFTW

How can you make that 30 minute walk?You walk so fucking slow in darkfall it probably would of taken 10 mins in a regular MMO, someone explain to me why you walk soooooo slow.

Why dont u run or take an horse. Troll

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by tombear81

 The OP was well written and sounded exciting. Normally I would not say the below but I feel DF has too much written descriptions (e.g. Lord Tasos) when reality is more grounded.

When watching DF videos do not compared in anyway to the textual description. Yes... you can PvP anyone ... yes you can take there stuff. The problem is.. thats it. No trade routes, no trade shipping, no politics, no formation fighting and dismal crafting which is most likely going to be Macro assisted.

 

All I get visions of when thinking of DF during the OP post,  is the following  :

• Horrible sound effects which do not scale over distance. When your heard that battle it sounded like it was going on RIGHT next door.
• Horrible Benny HIll Style fighting which is no better than the leet teh pwnzr crap of WoW bunny hopping. As I have said before I am embarrassed that Tasos invoked the words "like" M&B to describe this game
• Stiff back pain induced animation with TWO.. yes ... TWO modes of attack. 
• Hack .. Hack.. Hack.. Run... Run.. Hack fights.. but with no real blocking. I still want to see raised shields and decent thud of arrows in them. Death should be almost instant if you are hit from behind. Hint: Thats where your buddy is supposed to be !

Sorry but as well written the post is and passionate but  I don't feel the game is simply that amazing. Certainly it exists in people minds because of the lack of decent  PvP MMOs and the cookie cutter forumula many companies have taken on. Fills a niche.. yeah... the second coming of Christ ? Afriad not.

 

The OP just wanted to tell about his PvP experiences. He did not talk about the trade routes or politics.

But if you read between the lines you can find alot of politic.

Maybe he will write about his crafting trading experiences next time?

The politics of running around and killing things. Which I suppose a lot of  poltiics is about but really where the window dressing. Wheres the framework in DF for this ? It certaily is not about "material" goods all safe in your little bank and no need to move em anywhere. Epic fail on AV part this is.

As for crafting... I would love to see a tale based on that. Oh wait everyone is macro'ing that ?

Sorry but if my mind had not been tainted by all those horrible beta leaks then I might be excited as it is just the combar invokes the points above. Fix them and I might consider this game a base on which to build. Sod everything else... 

Originally posted by tombear81

 The OP was well written and sounded exciting. Normally I would not say the below but I feel DF has too much written descriptions (e.g. Lord Tasos) when reality is more grounded.

When watching DF videos do not compared in anyway to the textual description. Yes... you can PvP anyone ... yes you can take there stuff. The problem is.. thats it. No trade routes, no trade shipping, no politics, no formation fighting and dismal crafting which is most likely going to be Macro assisted.

 

All I get visions of when thinking of DF during the OP post,  is the following  :

• Horrible sound effects which do not scale over distance. When your heard that battle it sounded like it was going on RIGHT next door.
• Horrible Benny HIll Style fighting which is no better than the leet teh pwnzr crap of WoW bunny hopping. As I have said before I am embarrassed that Tasos invoked the words "like" M&B to describe this game
• Stiff back pain induced animation with TWO.. yes ... TWO modes of attack. 
• Hack .. Hack.. Hack.. Run... Run.. Hack fights.. but with no real blocking. I still want to see raised shields and decent thud of arrows in them. Death should be almost instant if you are hit from behind. Hint: Thats where your buddy is supposed to be !

Sorry but as well written the post is and passionate but  I don't feel the game is simply that amazing. Certainly it exists in people minds because of the lack of decent  PvP MMOs and the cookie cutter forumula many companies have taken on. Fills a niche.. yeah... the second coming of Christ ? Afriad not.

I like this post, It is a good counter post in a way. Not anti-game, but a sort of de-grandising(sp?) and reminder that the combat isn't as romantic as it may seem.

Still, I enjoyed the OP.

Dinged max level on Friday, been out killing players ever since and carrying loot back to bank.

Game is truly epic and the old UO feel is there, even more because it's 3d and world is actually a big big place with tons and tons to explore.

Originally posted by Zodan

Dinged max level on Friday, been out killing players ever since and carrying loot back to bank.

Game is truly epic and the old UO feel is there, even more because it's 3d and world is actually a big big place with tons and tons to explore.

"Dinged max level"?

You maxed out every skill?

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Dinged max level on Friday, been out killing players ever since and carrying loot back to bank.

Game is truly epic and the old UO feel is there, even more because it's 3d and world is actually a big big place with tons and tons to explore.

"Dinged max level"?

You maxed out every skill?

Meaning that I could actually start playing the content I was paying for from the day 0.

Hence, ding max level!

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Dinged max level on Friday, been out killing players ever since and carrying loot back to bank.

Game is truly epic and the old UO feel is there, even more because it's 3d and world is actually a big big place with tons and tons to explore.

"Dinged max level"?

You maxed out every skill?

 

Meaning that I could actually start playing the content I was paying for from the day 0.

Hence, ding max level!

That's still unclear. What exactly do you mean max level? I don't know the ins and outs of the game, so enlighten me.

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by tombear81

 The OP was well written and sounded exciting. Normally I would not say the below but I feel DF has too much written descriptions (e.g. Lord Tasos) when reality is more grounded.

When watching DF videos do not compared in anyway to the textual description. Yes... you can PvP anyone ... yes you can take there stuff. The problem is.. thats it. No trade routes, no trade shipping, no politics, no formation fighting and dismal crafting which is most likely going to be Macro assisted.

 

All I get visions of when thinking of DF during the OP post,  is the following  :

• Horrible sound effects which do not scale over distance. When your heard that battle it sounded like it was going on RIGHT next door.
• Horrible Benny HIll Style fighting which is no better than the leet teh pwnzr crap of WoW bunny hopping. As I have said before I am embarrassed that Tasos invoked the words "like" M&B to describe this game
• Stiff back pain induced animation with TWO.. yes ... TWO modes of attack. 
• Hack .. Hack.. Hack.. Run... Run.. Hack fights.. but with no real blocking. I still want to see raised shields and decent thud of arrows in them. Death should be almost instant if you are hit from behind. Hint: Thats where your buddy is supposed to be !

Sorry but as well written the post is and passionate but  I don't feel the game is simply that amazing. Certainly it exists in people minds because of the lack of decent  PvP MMOs and the cookie cutter forumula many companies have taken on. Fills a niche.. yeah... the second coming of Christ ? Afriad not.

 

The OP just wanted to tell about his PvP experiences. He did not talk about the trade routes or politics.

But if you read between the lines you can find alot of politic.

Maybe he will write about his crafting trading experiences next time?

 

The politics of running around and killing things. Which I suppose a lot of  poltiics is about but really where the window dressing. Wheres the framework in DF for this ? It certaily is not about "material" goods all safe in your little bank and no need to move em anywhere. Epic fail on AV part this is.

As for crafting... I would love to see a tale based on that. Oh wait everyone is macro'ing that ?

Sorry but if my mind had not been tainted by all those horrible beta leaks then I might be excited as it is just the combar invokes the points above. Fix them and I might consider this game a base on which to build. Sod everything else... 

Beta leaks??

I have been playing for two months! And you didnt understand what i ment about politics. Ok, i will try and explain. From the OPs post you understand there are many clans, clans with citys or strongholds. The politics come in place in the fact on what you should do agenst you neighbours for example. Kill them or protext them. Because you dont want tome enemy force from another race raiding you like the op did. And this is just for starter.

And on the other side......what other sandbox FFAPvP realtime MMO do you compare your betaleaks videos to?? Just wondering.

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Dinged max level on Friday, been out killing players ever since and carrying loot back to bank.

Game is truly epic and the old UO feel is there, even more because it's 3d and world is actually a big big place with tons and tons to explore.

"Dinged max level"?

You maxed out every skill?

 

Meaning that I could actually start playing the content I was paying for from the day 0.

Hence, ding max level!

That's still unclear. What exactly do you mean max level? I don't know the ins and outs of the game, so enlighten me.

No xp or grinding required in this game; total freedom on what you want to do. If you have brains and skillful friends you can go out and kill players with full plate even when you are yourself just starting out - hard but possible.

It's about tactics and no more about grind xyz amount of time to get gear.

Endgame is about having a guild city or as personal goals go: be mage, crafter, fighter or a combination of all.

Anyway I am converted fanboi coming with experience in: WoW, UO, AoC, WAR, DAOC, AC2 and so forth.

Thanks for the info.   Sounds like a game you dont want to solo in.  kinda like the gank squads in aoc.  I noticed the rating dropped at least 2 full points since release.

Originally posted by tombear81

All I get visions of when thinking of DF during the OP post,  is the following  :

• Horrible sound effects which do not scale over distance. When your heard that battle it sounded like it was going on RIGHT next door.
• Horrible Benny HIll Style fighting which is no better than the leet teh pwnzr crap of WoW bunny hopping. As I have said before I am embarrassed that Tasos invoked the words "like" M&B to describe this game
• Stiff back pain induced animation with TWO.. yes ... TWO modes of attack. 
• Hack .. Hack.. Hack.. Run... Run.. Hack fights.. but with no real blocking. I still want to see raised shields and decent thud of arrows in them. Death should be almost instant if you are hit from behind. Hint: Thats where your buddy is supposed to be !

I would like to go over your bullet points, because you're quite wrong on most of them.

Regarding your sound effects, they DO scale over distance. Maybe I didn't make it clear in my stories, but as we were approaching the guild city, we could hear the mana missles and clanking of sword on armor in the distance, and it certainly got louder the closer we got. Sound travels quite far in this game, and since it's surround, directional sound, you can almost always figure out where people are fighting based off of where the sound is coming from, and you can always figure out just how far off they are as well.

I also disagree with your statement on Benny hill style fighting. There is no bunny hopping in Darkfall, as it takes Stamina, and Stamina is THE MOST IMPORTANT status bar in your game, more so then health. Darkfall's combat is very interactive, especially in my experiences. In my first story for example, when my small group baited the guildmates out of their den, my guildmates started using their altitude and location to their advantage to hit players in the back with arrows and mana missles.

Now, with melee combat, I know a lot of people have been talking down about it, especially those who have only watched videos. Let me say it here and now, BLOCKING IS CRUCIAL when engaging in PvP, because not only does it greatly reduce the damage you're taking (which increases in defense as your parry skill increases), but if you time it just right, you use very litle stamina whereas people who "hold" block screw themselves over. It's not just "click click click spam click", because if you do that, you'll run out of stamina very quickly, and again, when you run out of stamina, you're basically dead. I, for example, only attack when I have a clear shot and am sure I will connect, I strafe and dodge their attacks, and sprint only when I have to get behind them.

Finally, your statement on the animations I can understand, but in reality, I really haven't had any issues with them except that they can get better.

Hope this helps clarify some stuff.

Awesome story, thanks for posting!
 

Originally posted by TowlieFTW

How can you make that 30 minute walk?You walk so fucking slow in darkfall it probably would of taken 10 mins in a regular MMO, someone explain to me why you walk soooooo slow.

DF movement speed is the same more or less as every other MMO, stop crying...

besides, only noobs walk anywhere, most people perma-run using food + the mana-to-stamina spell.

@OP: yes, DF is *the* PVP MMO right now as far as i'm concerned. DAOC is sadly too old and unpopulated, WAR was a massive disappointment, AoC still sucks, and WOW is a PVE game.

DF is like what WAR *should* have been. there is already a strong GvG scene starting to appear in DF and it's only been out less than a week.

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Dinged max level on Friday, been out killing players ever since and carrying loot back to bank.

Game is truly epic and the old UO feel is there, even more because it's 3d and world is actually a big big place with tons and tons to explore.

"Dinged max level"?

You maxed out every skill?

 

Meaning that I could actually start playing the content I was paying for from the day 0.

Hence, ding max level!

That's still unclear. What exactly do you mean max level? I don't know the ins and outs of the game, so enlighten me.

No xp or grinding required in this game; total freedom on what you want to do. If you have brains and skillful friends you can go out and kill players with full plate even when you are yourself just starting out - hard but possible.

It's about tactics and no more about grind xyz amount of time to get gear.

Endgame is about having a guild city or as personal goals go: be mage, crafter, fighter or a combination of all.

Anyway I am converted fanboi coming with experience in: WoW, UO, AoC, WAR, DAOC, AC2 and so forth.

You didn't answer Die_Scream's question at all.  Try again please.
 

And to the OP: I could have done without the second paragraph of your post.  It would go a long way toward improving your overly-long post if you removed it.

That was the kind of read I was looking for, beyond "the game is great". Thanks a lot, really makes one feel like trying it.

Originally posted by indiramourn

And to the OP: I could have done without the second paragraph of your post.  It would go a long way toward improving your overly-long post if you removed it.

Done.

Originally posted by indiramourn

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by Zodan

Dinged max level on Friday, been out killing players ever since and carrying loot back to bank.

Game is truly epic and the old UO feel is there, even more because it's 3d and world is actually a big big place with tons and tons to explore.

"Dinged max level"?

You maxed out every skill?

 

Meaning that I could actually start playing the content I was paying for from the day 0.

Hence, ding max level!

That's still unclear. What exactly do you mean max level? I don't know the ins and outs of the game, so enlighten me.

No xp or grinding required in this game; total freedom on what you want to do. If you have brains and skillful friends you can go out and kill players with full plate even when you are yourself just starting out - hard but possible.

It's about tactics and no more about grind xyz amount of time to get gear.

Endgame is about having a guild city or as personal goals go: be mage, crafter, fighter or a combination of all.

Anyway I am converted fanboi coming with experience in: WoW, UO, AoC, WAR, DAOC, AC2 and so forth.

You didn't answer Die_Scream's question at all.  Try again please.
 

And to the OP: I could have done without the second paragraph of your post.  It would go a long way toward improving your overly-long post if you removed it.

Yes he did answer Die_Scream's question actually. You're just being a bit slow to catch on. He is simply pointing out that in other mmos you have to grind through lots of boring repetitive content so you can reach max level and gain access to the end game content which is usually where the fun really begins. In other words the devs force you to waste weeks or months of your life playing against the computer and "reward" you for your efforts by allowing you to take part in some epic PvP battles at the end......which is ultimately what online gaming should be about anyway.

Zodan is simply pointing out that there is no boring PvE grind to go through in Darkfall. The entire game is effectively the equivalent of the fun endgame content that you would get in a more mainstream mmo. You dont have to work to get there. Thats why he said "Ding max level" in his original post. He is taking the piss out of all of the other generic mmos by highlighting the fact that in Darkfall you can jump straight into the fun as soon as you create a character. No hoops to jump through, no quests that you MUST do, no exp bar fill, no stupid static story (which is the same every time) to push forward etc. Starting the game in Darkfall is the same as reaching max level in any other mmo.

Get it now?

Been there, done that...  I guess some of us were looking for something a tad more interesting and in-depth when we started following this game several years ago. Aventurine has skimped so much on Darkfall, the concept of PvP combat sounds better than the actual gameplay. Then...  you get stories like Kosmos(OP) who's seems like he's never played a video game before in his life and somehow all his experiences within darkfall are giving him a boner...!   Combat=lame

If Darkfall is your first video game, OFFCOARSE everything will excite you!  Dude, you need to get out more and experience more games..! 

I beta tested for over 5 weeks, had the same experiences as you and I was like  "Ugg, I did all this in UO and Battlefield... where is this new skill based combat they have been talking about?

I'm gald people like you posts your remarks, know I know why some people like Darkfall so much... they live under a rock!