Originally posted by ThePreventer

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by RetroMonster

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by RetroMonster

It's awful too see people posting these threads.

 

Why is it awful?? Its just a discussion.  If you dont want to post in it, you're not forced to.

Back on the topic. I'm that agnostic, but come from a family of catholics.  I dont really like to think about religion becuase no one has any hard evidence that there is truth behind faith. No one really really know untill the time comes, and even then you can come back and tell someone living...

It's awful because people can start riots with these threads. They can all the sudden decide to compare religeons and that gets very cruel and you should see some things that happen here.

 

Not if you're mature talking about it.  Thats what makes good discussion, always keep an open mind to other peoples opinions or preferences.

 

RetroMonster Hvc is absolutely right. A Good discussion always depends on the people discussing. But back to the topic I'm an Atheist, and if you ask me why? it's because there has been no real proof of any type of "God(s)" if you will. I can't remember who said it i think it was Neuton but he stated "God disguises himself through coincidences" i have pondered that for some time now. And if "God" does love us so much why hide from us? thats just my 2 cents.

Of course, Neuton was a Christian....ask yourself this:  If you saw God, if you were able to actually SEE him, whitness his power for yourself...would you REALLY have any choice as to whether or not you wanted to believe in him?  And your choice wouldn't be dictated by love or worship, but by fear of having that power come down on you.  Some of us believe that the cosmological proof for God is that we desire cosmological proof at all.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Atheism isn't a religion.

 

At school I heard more preaching comeing from Atheists than from Christians... so Id say it counts :P

While I'll admit that there are waaayyyyy to many narccissistic douchebags that are attracted to atheism because they believe it gives them free license to be the smug little asshats that they would be anyway, these people don't really represent the majority of the atheists i have been in contact with. Most of us just don't believe and that's all there is do it.

It takes more than preaching to make a religion. What are the rituals of atheism? What holidays are observed by atheist that honor atheism? What code of conduct is generally accepted by all atheist to be "moral?" I realize that there are differences in these thing even between sects of Christianity, Islam, Buhdism, etc., but there is at least consistency within a given sect. Name one denomination of atheism....

Just because you find us as annoying as religious people, doesn't make us the same category of animal.

I believe in God, I just really don't like his fanbase that insists I'm going to hell or am going to cease to exsist(while they do contiue on) just because I've lived a perfectly honest life but did appreciate them "forcing" the almighty himself to think this way or else.

Originally posted by Draenor

Originally posted by ThePreventer

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by RetroMonster

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by RetroMonster

It's awful too see people posting these threads.

 

Why is it awful?? Its just a discussion.  If you dont want to post in it, you're not forced to.

Back on the topic. I'm that agnostic, but come from a family of catholics.  I dont really like to think about religion becuase no one has any hard evidence that there is truth behind faith. No one really really know untill the time comes, and even then you can come back and tell someone living...

It's awful because people can start riots with these threads. They can all the sudden decide to compare religeons and that gets very cruel and you should see some things that happen here.

 

Not if you're mature talking about it.  Thats what makes good discussion, always keep an open mind to other peoples opinions or preferences.

 

RetroMonster Hvc is absolutely right. A Good discussion always depends on the people discussing. But back to the topic I'm an Atheist, and if you ask me why? it's because there has been no real proof of any type of "God(s)" if you will. I can't remember who said it i think it was Neuton but he stated "God disguises himself through coincidences" i have pondered that for some time now. And if "God" does love us so much why hide from us? thats just my 2 cents.

 

Of course, Neuton was a Christian....ask yourself this:  If you saw God, if you were able to actually SEE him, whitness his power for yourself...would you REALLY have any choice as to whether or not you wanted to believe in him?  And your choice wouldn't be dictated by love or worship, but by fear of having that power come down on you.  Some of us believe that the cosmological proof for God is that we desire cosmological proof at all.

Probaly the main reason i'm an athiest is because i can't see how such a "loving God" could make his creation run the line of hell and heaven. Why would he want his creation to go to such a horrible place? i mean he does love this creation doesnt he? And i have never seen anything in the Bible related to dinosaurs of the 4 billion years before the time of the bible. and im not one of those athiest who critisize christians or any other religion for that matter. but like i said that's just my two cents.

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Atheism isn't a religion.

 

At school I heard more preaching comeing from Atheists than from Christians... so Id say it counts :P

 

While I'll admit that there are waaayyyyy to many narccissistic douchebags that are attracted to atheism because they believe it gives them free license to be the smug little asshats that they would be anyway, these people don't really represent the majority of the atheists i have been in contact with. Most of us just don't believe and that's all there is do it.

It takes more than preaching to make a religion. What are the rituals of atheism? What holidays are observed by atheist that honor atheism? What code of conduct is generally accepted by all atheist to be "moral?" I realize that there are differences in these thing even between sects of Christianity, Islam, Buhdism, etc., but there is at least consistency within a given sect. Name one denomination of atheism....

Just because you find us as annoying as religious people, doesn't make us the same category of animal.

I think what the OP meant by putting athiesm up there was to be like a "not religous" thing but he found a better word for it, what i dont understand is why are there denominations of athiesm? to name two you have Agnostic and Secular. that question has been bugging me latley.

I don't believe in a god, and if there is one, he'll understand why.  He also won't be vain enough to need people worshipping him constantly.

If he does want to send me to hell just for not believing in him, then I wouldn't want to be with him anyway.  Sounds like a douche move.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

I don't believe in a god, and if there is one, he'll understand why.  He also won't be vain enough to need people worshipping him constantly.

 

If he does want to send me to hell just for not believing in him, then I wouldn't want to be with him anyway.  Sounds like a douche move.

my point above but in a simpler form

For all of you non-believers I show you exhibit A. God winked his eye and morphed his only Son onto.....a piece of toast! Praise the Lord!

A.

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Atheism isn't a religion.

 

At school I heard more preaching comeing from Atheists than from Christians... so Id say it counts :P

i've noticed this too. Although i guess some people will just stick to their stereotypes.

Originally posted by Briansho

For all of you non-believers I show you exhibit A. God winked his eye and morphed his only Son onto.....a piece of toast! Praise the Lord!

A.

Damn!! Jezus never looked so delicious!!

I'm a christian...

Originally posted by Reanemeiko

I'm a christian...

If i were an asshole i'd call you ignorant but im not an ass

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Atheism isn't a religion.

 

At school I heard more preaching comeing from Atheists than from Christians... so Id say it counts :P

 

While I'll admit that there are waaayyyyy to many narccissistic douchebags that are attracted to atheism because they believe it gives them free license to be the smug little asshats that they would be anyway, these people don't really represent the majority of the atheists i have been in contact with. Most of us just don't believe and that's all there is do it. All faiths are full of these

It takes more than preaching to make a religion. What are the rituals of atheism? What holidays are observed by atheist that honor atheism? What code of conduct is generally accepted by all atheist to be "moral?" I realize that there are differences in these thing even between sects of Christianity, Islam, Buhdism, etc., but there is at least consistency within a given sect. Name one denomination of atheism....

Just because you find us as annoying as religious people, doesn't make us the same category of animal. I say Nay Nay

At what point do you Become a Religon?

You Preach? Check.

You Force your Ideas and Beliefs on Others? Check. (Proof? I dont rember "Intelegent Design" beeing taught in class... Heck yall fight tooth and nail that faith cant even be with in 100 feet of a student...)

Your second paragraph is Easy to dissmiss. But ill try and point out why this is Dangerous.

It takes more than preaching to make a religion. Verry True But It is a Inportant first step. Its how they ALL started.

What are the rituals of atheism? Did any religon have them at their True starts? They all start somewhere. Christmas day Was a pagen"?" holiday before the pope said Nay Nay.

What holidays are observed by atheist that honor atheism? Again give them time. you honestly think athiests will stand Iddle while Faith based org's practice in the streats?

*Moved to bottem.

I realize that there are differences in these thing even between sects of Christianity, Islam, Buhdism, etc., but there is at least consistency within a given sect. Name one denomination of atheism.... (Atheism)

Do you thing Christians were calling them self Christians in the Time of christ? or were they Jews?

Just because you Dont consider it a choice dosent mean others wont act like it and start to try and rain in power over you.

What code of conduct is generally accepted by all atheist to be "moral?" AHH the Big one.

The Code of conduct that is Beeing Spread around by Atheism is the one that is Destroying the country today. "Good old Christian vallues" like saveing for the a rainy day, Do W/O for now Till you have it In hand, and Other things like the faimly Unit. Saying that Its OK for someone to get Just Get freeky and No worrys is Obserd. 

Athiesm and Lack of any Faith based Moral's are what Lead to the Breakdown of the Country and the Econamy. ProoF?

Ok lets see.

Easy Credit cards... Why Wait Buy it now and pay Us 15% on it. The Idea that you have the Right to something, Sure isent a Christian value.

The TV telling you your a failure if you dont have a 500K house? Nope not us.

Other thoughts will come once My head stops Pounding(Stupid weather) Will update later. and im looking foward to seeing what else you have to say to this Jimmy :P

Does anyone here believe in the FSM?  Pastafarians are becoming a force to deal with you know.   Soon the Pastafarians will have a Chef(sorta like a Pope) and then watch out.   Here is part of the gospel according to Capt. Mosey.

Captain Mosey and the Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"

While brooding atop Mount Salsa because he couldn't find a pirate ship, Mosey the Pirate captain (a parody of Moses) received some advice from the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the form of ten stone tablets. These were called the "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts" by the FSM, the "Commandments" by Mosey, and the "Condiments" by his Pirate gang. While there were originally ten "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts", two were dropped on the way back down the mountain, with eight remaining. This event "partly accounts for Pastafarians' flimsy moral standards." The FSM's commandments address the treatment of people of other faiths, worship of the FSM, sexual conduct, and nutrition.

[edit] The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"

1. I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject.

2. I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.

3. I'd really rather you didn't judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.

4. I'd really rather you didn't indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is "go fuck yourself," unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.

5. I'd really rather you didn't challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the bitches.

6. I'd really rather you didn't build multi million-dollar synagogues / churches / temples / mosques / shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):
1. Ending poverty
2. Curing diseases
3. Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.

7. I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?

8. I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/vaseline. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Elikal

Thelemite. I found it the most convincing concept to follow an active spiritual path, and not just do some passive adoration.

Before you bother Wiki, simply said: Thelema means that every person has a True Will (or True Self), and everyones task is to find and follow this True Will alone. The idea is, if every person follows only his/her True Will, the cosmos would be in harmony.

 

Just curious, does that mean mass murder types were off their path?  Or were they following their core self?

I've not heard of this one, so I am trying to understand where bad things come into the explanation of it all.

 

as for Atheism, it's as much a religion as catholics are.  I love how Atheists get all offended over this one, lol.

 

Religion is man made garbage, for what it's worth. (ALL of THEM)

Relationship with a living God, now THAT's worth checking out.

As every religion, every Thelemite will give you a slightly different answer on this. Unlike Church, in Thelema there is no organization to give "final answers" similar to, say, the Pope for a Catholic or an Imam for Muslims, so this answer is only mine, as Thelemite.

I perceive "crime" or "evil" results from not doing one's True Will, and everyone being at one with one's True Will creating harmony. Of course some might argue, its a complex matter. Is one who kills young Nero or young Hitler evil? I cant say I have easier answer, and the True Will is difficult to find and not always clear. But generally it is the idea to look inward, and if you clear the inward questions, the will to rob others of their autonomy in any way ceases. Like robbing them or killing them.

Essentially "crime" comes from not being at one with yourself, by fear and anger, because your personality is twisted, bend. It is a complex psychological matter also, and I cant explain it in all detail. This just scratches the surface of it. The Thelemite ethics, similar like the Buddhist one, is centered around the idea to reach a certain state of mind, not to follow do's and don't do's, a state where you are at harmoy, simplified said. It means the solving of problems can only arise from reaching a higher awareness and a peace with yourself, not by rulesets or systems of adoration. There, the "divine" is something which is in everything, and we open our perception to that reality.

Now mind you that all Thelemites define "harmony" a bit different. While you may regard it is 100% pacifism, some say a certain degree of conflict is necessary to grow, and I would agree to that. But it is my idea to make a "chivalrous" fight, where you dont degrade the opponent but respect him. Thelema is, like most spiritual ways, not something that has finite answers from authorities, like organized religion, but a set path upon which everyone must find and shape answers by himself. Thats why I chose it. Everyone is his own priest only.

there is never a right answer

What is an Athiest??

Originally posted by Sabiancym

I don't believe in a god, and if there is one, he'll understand why.  He also won't be vain enough to need people worshipping him constantly.

 

If he does want to send me to hell just for not believing in him, then I wouldn't want to be with him anyway.  Sounds like a douche move.

Sorry to pry, but it sounds as if you are blaming God and punishing HIM for something that happened to you.  That is someone who does believe in God, not an atheist.

Originally posted by ThePreventer

Originally posted by Reanemeiko

I'm a christian...

 

If i were an asshole i'd call you ignorant but im not an ass

um....Kettle, this is pot...

So let me get this straight, you called her the name using inuendo instead, so that's ok?  Are you shitting me?

If i missed something, i'll gladly "doh" myself.

Originally posted by ThePreventer

Originally posted by Draenor

Originally posted by ThePreventer

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by RetroMonster

Originally posted by hvc801

Originally posted by RetroMonster

It's awful too see people posting these threads.

 

Why is it awful?? Its just a discussion.  If you dont want to post in it, you're not forced to.

Back on the topic. I'm that agnostic, but come from a family of catholics.  I dont really like to think about religion becuase no one has any hard evidence that there is truth behind faith. No one really really know untill the time comes, and even then you can come back and tell someone living...

It's awful because people can start riots with these threads. They can all the sudden decide to compare religeons and that gets very cruel and you should see some things that happen here.

 

Not if you're mature talking about it.  Thats what makes good discussion, always keep an open mind to other peoples opinions or preferences.

 

RetroMonster Hvc is absolutely right. A Good discussion always depends on the people discussing. But back to the topic I'm an Atheist, and if you ask me why? it's because there has been no real proof of any type of "God(s)" if you will. I can't remember who said it i think it was Neuton but he stated "God disguises himself through coincidences" i have pondered that for some time now. And if "God" does love us so much why hide from us? thats just my 2 cents.

 

Of course, Neuton was a Christian....ask yourself this:  If you saw God, if you were able to actually SEE him, whitness his power for yourself...would you REALLY have any choice as to whether or not you wanted to believe in him?  And your choice wouldn't be dictated by love or worship, but by fear of having that power come down on you.  Some of us believe that the cosmological proof for God is that we desire cosmological proof at all.

 

Probaly the main reason i'm an athiest is because i can't see how such a "loving God" could make his creation run the line of hell and heaven. Why would he want his creation to go to such a horrible place? i mean he does love this creation doesnt he? And i have never seen anything in the Bible related to dinosaurs of the 4 billion years before the time of the bible. and im not one of those athiest who critisize christians or any other religion for that matter. but like i said that's just my two cents.

If I were an asshole i'd just call you ignorant, but I'm not...so it's ok.

I'll just clarify your missing data...since as a Christian we actually have these questions ourselves...

The scripture actually speaks of the planet earth before God placed humanity on it.  Most scholars agree that this is when the dinobots existed.  omg, we actually all agree that they were wiped out by some cosmic event too!

As for God wanting his creation to go to hell... again...i don't want to be an asshole...  here's the proper answer ...he DOESN'T.    You just ignore the parts (*perhaps study a bit more before making a conclusion) where God gave us a free will....  even free enough to reject him. 

Hell isn't a guy with a pitchfork either, hollywood.

One question about Atheists...  How can ANY atheist claim to be a good person when they reject EVERY Tennant of God...the basis of which ALL LAWS are founded upon?  Did you ever see Ben Stein's movie?  That kind of lawless thinking goes only one place, genocide.