Really this only needs a Yes/No answer. If enough people answer it should be interesting. As things are it's kind of unclear whether macroing is OK or not. Or if it is OK if you are sat at the keyboard etc. A thread like this got closed in the official forums so maybe its not. No one knows for sure.

Just to be clear if you use a G15 to gather resources while you chat with clan members you should answer 'Yes'.

If you want to scribble why you think its OK or not, be my guest.

If i pay for a game, i intend to play it. Not using macros.

Originally posted by daarco

If i pay for a game, i intend to play it. Not using macros.

I can see, from a "purist" point of view, how macroing could be viewed as "evil." However, I have played plenty of games that put in boring, pointless tasks that are absolutely required (sometimes for months on end) before you can really enjoy the game.

I think macroing is great as long as it isn't fully automated, and the player is actually present and active. If it gets to the point where the player can go AFK for minutes or hours at a time, or is not required to even pay attention, then it's getting out of hand and needs to be stopped.

So I guess you could say there is a fine line between "shortcut to relieve unnecessary clicking" and "cheating."

I would never macro. I don't understand at all why people would even want to macro. If the game is so boring that you don't want to play it yourself, I'd simply cancel my subscription.

This is also the reason why I'd never pay for gold or lvling services. Gaming is my hobby, what's the point in paying someone else to do my HOBBY?

Originally posted by tarkin1980

I would never macro. I don't understand at all why people would even want to macro. If the game is so boring that you don't want to play it yourself, I'd simply cancel my subscription.

This is also the reason why I'd never pay for gold or lvling services. Gaming is my hobby, what's the point in paying someone else to do my HOBBY?

Exactly!

I have never done something i have felt as boring in a MMO. For example:  I never craft because i think thats boring and i never gather resourses either..because i think its boring.

Edit: Darkfall is the first time i craft or gather stuff, and i think its fun.

Originally posted by tarkin1980

I would never macro. I don't understand at all why people would even want to macro. If the game is so boring that you don't want to play it yourself, I'd simply cancel my subscription.

This is also the reason why I'd never pay for gold or lvling services. Gaming is my hobby, what's the point in paying someone else to do my HOBBY?

Took the words (letters) right out of my mouth. Couldnt agree more.

Originally posted by tarkin1980 

If the game is so boring that you don't want to play it yourself, I'd simply cancel my subscription.

You're mixing up "macros" and "botting" which are two totally different things. With macros, you're still playing, you just have to press fewer buttons (like WoW macros to bind multiple spells together into a single key, for example). That's what the discussion is about.

chop their damn fingers off! Macro users that is.

Originally posted by Aethios

Originally posted by tarkin1980 

If the game is so boring that you don't want to play it yourself, I'd simply cancel my subscription.

 

You're mixing up "macros" and "botting" which are two totally different things. With macros, you're still playing, you just have to press fewer buttons (like WoW macros to bind multiple spells together into a single key, for example). That's what the discussion is about.

You're splitting hairs. Botting and macroing is fundamentally the same thing. They are both ways to skip things that you should be doing yourself. This is called cheating. Don't make a fool of yourself trying to defend it.

Originally posted by Aramanu

chop their damn fingers off! Macro users that is.

What good would that be? They're not using them anyway.

The thing is if you want to lets say build a city....the clan macros it really is as simple as that. Or you could gather naturally and end upmonths behind so no stones are available. Its a very real issue.

incidentally before the poll got shut down on the official foprum it was panning out that about 50% of people do not macro.

If the games UI facilitates setting up and using macros, sure. And no, doing so AFK has never been ok.

Otherwise, it is typically against most games ToS/EULA to use any 3rd party applications. Therefore not allowed. Please, feel free to move along if you can't even follow some common sense rules of gameplay.

"But..but... it's the developer's fault that they made stuff boring... " 

All I can do is laugh when I see that, then have to listen to same  people spout about instant-gratification WoW carebears.

wow... so many "hardcore" pvpr's don't like playing ..... 40+% use macros......

I haven't been one of the lucky ones to get into Beta or experience the game first hand, so my knowledge is limited. If macroing were simply assisting crafters and gatherers I wouldn't mind as much. If I understand correctly, however, it is entirely possible to skill up combat techniques by throwing spells into the sky via macros, etc. Obviously, in an environment like Darkfall, anyone seeing a line of spells going into the sky for minutes at a time is probably going to see it as a giant 'whack the fleshy pinata' beacon, so there is a con to this method, but I can imagine someone clever enough to circumvent the skill grind is going to figure a way past being defenseless. It could be entirely possible that some people will macro-max out several key skills before they really ever sat down to play the game. It's not illegal, or in any real way unfair, but not something I plan on doing. If that puts me at an extreme disadvantage, well, I suppose there's a certain amount of masochism required for a game like this anyway.

Originally posted by miagisan

wow... so many "hardcore" pvpr's don't like playing ..... 40+% use macros......

I did use a macro in beta while I was watching TV next to the PC. It was like this "use left mousebutton" "wait 11 seconds".

I know some of you might consider that cheating, but I don`t really care. The harvesting part in DF is boring enought as it is, and you can kill macroers. I agree however that unattended macroing is wrong.

I've been jumping in front of people who are macro-ing with mana missle, I'm completely naked, of course, and let them kill me.

Nothing like coming back from your AFK to check your mad skillz only to realize you're at the chaos stone getting turned into everyone's beotch!

Originally posted by Hotjazz

I did use a macro in beta while I was watching TV next to the PC. It was like this "use left mousebutton" "wait 11 seconds".

I know some of you might consider that cheating, but I don`t really care. The harvesting part in DF is boring enought as it is, and you can kill macroers. I agree however that unattended macroing is wrong. 

I thinkl people will relaise that doing this 100's of thousands of time (left clicking every 11 seconds) is not fun but clan cities are an integral part of the game.

spamming spells and any macroing WITHIN the protective radius of the guard towers in the starting areas will result in a kick, and repeated offenses could result in a ban.

I jizzed a little.
 

Macroing lol.

There is something to be said about the person who is too lazy to play a video game.

People like that are sad, and I wish they would go die.

Edit: If you find that the game is boring, well then guess what, don't fucking play.

If all you want to do is PvP w/o any leveling, crafting, etc... then go play an FPS and let the people paying to PLAY... PLAY.

And kicking people for cheating? Wow.... I think AV needs to take some lessons and quit running their game like a WoW Private server.

Originally posted by Thoric485

spamming spells and any macroing WITHIN the protective radius of the guard towers in the starting areas will result in a kick, and repeated offenses could result in a ban.

I jizzed a little.
 

Which means that if i macro OUTSIDE of the protective radius of the guard towers is legal?