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Originally posted by damian7
1. u wont find 12 million ppl who think wow is a great game, they just play it cuz their friends do.
2. Funny how the ppl who are playing darkfall think its great, and the ppl who arent think its not... I wonder who makes the most sense... And 8 thousand vs 60 trolls is still ALOT more ppl who like it then hate it.
-Darkstar
i'm sorry, that's just non-logical.
Really ? its non-logical that the people who have actually played the game like it and the only ppl who hate it are ppl who have never trid it ? U can call us fanboys all u want, it still doesnt make it true, if the game was bad we wouldnt play it.
-Darkstar
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3/01/09 3:09:59 AM#42
Originally posted by Darkstar111 lol your a very damn funny person since when did 6k to 8 k people suddenly become alot of people. there is billions of people in the world. there is 12 million people playing wow, then that means wow must be a really good game. wake up gal this game only appeals to a few. its not big , I think even Istaria has more players than this game. wake up call a few thousand is not alot of people. stop making it seem bigger than what it is.
with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players. sorry i posted this here its just to damn funny. LOLLLOLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL gg AV with superior customer service LOOOLOLLOLLLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
1. u wont find 12 million ppl who think wow is a great game, they just play it cuz their friends do.
2. Funny how the ppl who are playing darkfall think its great, and the ppl who arent think its not... I wonder who makes the most sense... And 8 thousand vs 60 trolls is still ALOT more ppl who like it then hate it.
-Darkstar
you fail in logic big time. i like how you can easly dismiss wow as being a great game yet darkfall is perfect it has "alooot" of players it appeals to all type of players. Grow a brain. In the MMO industry 8k people means Jack. its not alot. no matter how you look at it. Thats the reality of it. This game will never NEVER see as much subscribers as they vast majority of the mmos out there. Like i said the buggy game istaria has more players than darkfall does. oh and soon darkfall will have less players as it seems they will have to ban 50% of the player base due to macroing since the game dispite NOT haveing lvls is a TOTAL grindfest. Cast spell 1000 times to see a minor upgrade is the same as getting a few lvls in another game and getting an upgrade. Keep casting and throwing arrows. Go look for those bugged mobs that do not attack back to raise your swordskill. yay Im going to sell you a dream. |
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3/01/09 3:16:04 AM#43
Originally posted by damian7
Fails to emerge. Is not released. Fails to be released. Never emerges.
Get the picture?
Darkfall is an MMO that is CURRENTLY OUT, granted its not meeting up with the whole supply versus demand atm, but thats the way AV chose to release it, its their game and they couldnt afford more then one server. Calling it Vaporware is, by ur own definition, out of the question.
-Darkstar
but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product.
amazing how the meaning changes when you read the entire sentence, as opposed to 4 words of the sentence. reading with comprehension is what matters. for instance "do unto others" as opposed to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
now that we know you can read 4 words of the post, read the entire post the entire post all of the post all of the words of the post the post in its entirety WITH comprehension
get it? got it? good. let's not have this failing of reading comprehension repeated, it makes you look... not good. DAMN!!! that was like a mega burn. Im calling this one.....winner by knockout DAMIEN....darkstar....gg.....take some time off after that whoopin.
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3/01/09 3:22:12 AM#44
Originally posted by xTwiSteDx
What a total troll post. Still vapourware? Sigh, i guess some people never grow up.
It's called being in denial. |
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damian7
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Joined: 4/20/06
why must i be nice to people that have no clue, are lying, or are just stupid? |
3/01/09 3:26:30 AM#45
Originally posted by Darkstar111
i'd post the meaning(s) of various types of beta, but you couldn't read the meaning of vaporware. can anyone go buy the game right now? no. how many mmos currently in retail, right this moment, can i NOT go buy a copy of/download? darkfall. staged release? seriously, you're one of the few players (at least players that are being honest) that are saying this is NOT a pay-to-play beta. the friends i have, who are playing, even the ones who LOVE this game, readily admit this is nothing more than a pay-to-play beta, even moreso than AOC or POTBS.
MMOs can, and do (seriously - they do) release polished, relatively bug free, all parts playable, little exploitation, etc. this isn't 1999. MMOs have come a long way. people lowering their expectations should not expect ANYONE else to lower expectations. unless, of course, this game costs a lot less than the normal MMO being released. it does not. so, if, when the game comes out of pay-to-play beta, the game costs the same as other MMOs, it will be judged by the same measure as other MMOs... no amount of spinmeistering will change that. good day.
hahahaahahah, sorry that part made me laugh. Go ahead, mention one. Another one throwing Vaporware around, get over it, the game is out.
Can u buy it now if u want it? yeah, probably on Ebay.
Can u buy every item that exists on the open market today ? Nope. only if it is in supply, and that supply is not exceeded by its demand, which in the case of this particular merchandice is the case.
Think of it like tihs if u must: U go to the store to buy a banana, but all the bananas are sold out, does this mean there are no more bananas? Ofcourse not, u just gotta wait for the next shipment.
Dont worry that Banana boat is coming ur way.
-Darkstar
ahahahahahaha! sorry i took so long to reply, i fell out of my chair laughing. let's see WAR came out, i had no problem setting up an account, no problem with billing. i was able to log in and play fine. everyone was doing PQs, not a lot of the keep defending going on, some raiding. their version of "battlegrounds" normally had little wait. the chain quests for (at least Chosen) which went on for 15+ levels, were quite fun and the angel/demon/whatever creatures that appeared and spoke to me at the end of the chain, were pretty cool. UI was complete. everyone that wanted to purchase a copy seemed to be able to, and if not, they were able to shortly purchase a copy (oh and it wasn't out at just a few thousand copies). LOTRO had a smooth launch. there is quite a list of decent/good/great launches out there. i'm sorry that you're new to MMOs and unaware of things such as this, which are incredibly COMMON knowledge to people that have played MMOs for any amount of time. seriously -- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH. your comments about supply and demand. you really don't understand what you're talking about there. sorry, but i have to go hahahahahahaah again here. see my comments above about WAR, and well, all MMOs except for Darkfall. but, keep in mind, that sync/desync issue... avoiding that is why there were limited accounts for darkfall... hahahahaah OOPSIES, guess that didn't help. the rest of your reply makes even less sense. ESPECIALLY if you consider it's a DIGITAL DOWNLOAD --- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH (yes, i'm imitating your laughter, cuz it's so droll). how exactly do you run out of a digital download? too much bandwidths from der downloades? too many DOS (denial of service) attacks taking them down? too many people with multiple windows/logins jamming up the system?
you replied to the other post STILL without having read the entire post.. there were two definitions of vaporware in it. you'd have known that if you'd have read it.
that whole "fanboi" label doesn't do you justice. ya know why?
i'll tell you a little story... the wife and i beta tested wow. this is what.. the third or fourth day of this game going into pay-to-play beta? but... you're posting. not just once, but REPEATEDLY posting. says a lot about the game, when even a fanboi thinks that little of it. that first week, the people that really enjoyed wow, were nowhere to be found near a forum, aside from maybe a guild forum.
seriously, the more you post this first week... the more ANY fanboi posts this first week... the more it speaks worlds of how great darkfall isn't.
truly, that's to laugh at. hope you're not a paid damage controller. could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please? |
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3/01/09 3:37:02 AM#46
This entire thread just because he posted yet another "anti-troll" post?
Good grief...
Warhammer sold some 1.5-2 million copies I think, and they had the ability to host those players, now as for what the game turned out to be, that is for each to decide on their own. The Lord of the Rings launch was pretty smooth from what I remember. I am waiting patiently until Darkfall is all sorted out and they finally stress test their server...anyway...kind of laughed at that sentence, "stress test their server"...I thought they had already done that with their bots...
It is the fanatics that seem to be turning me off more and more about this game lately. Blind faith more often then not just leads to spiked Kool-Aid... That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming! |
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damian7
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Joined: 4/20/06
why must i be nice to people that have no clue, are lying, or are just stupid? |
3/01/09 3:40:57 AM#47
Originally posted by Slampig
honestly, i believe the op is very anti-darkfall by the way he's posted in this thread... the entire nonsensical illogical bantering... that HAS to be spoofing of fanbois. it just has to be. cuz if he were a fanboi, or just a fan of the game who enjoys it... he'd be steady playing, instead of steadily posting here.
if he's SERIOUS.... and he's posting this much, instead of playing... yeah, darkfall has a long long way to go to being decent, much less good. could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please? |
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3/01/09 3:44:07 AM#48
Originally posted by Slampig
Tell me about it. This dorkstar guy thinks he is some sort of hero. I guess he wants to make sure he gets some sort of badge or prize . Imagine. Darkfall is so great for him, he spends more time here in the threads "defending" his game from evil trolls that might get ingame and kill its populations. Yeah hes so hardcore . So what do you want some e-award for your e-heroic deeds.?
Im going to sell you a dream. |
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3/01/09 4:36:43 AM#49
Originally posted by damian7
There's no need to be insulting/scarcastic, i believe that i answered your response without it so i fail to see why i deserve it. Because i'm new this site that means i'm some paid apologist? i believe my posting history clearly shows that i'm neither for or against Darkfall but am patiently waiting to see the outcome, i've also pointed out how releasing a game in this state with the market being saturated as it is as a 'bad move' in another thread...and you even replied to it, so either you didn't even bother to read it before replying or only see what you want to see. The term "Vaporware" has been around since the inception of software, naturally there will be many definitions, that doesn't mean they're correct...software cannot be Vaporware if it's been released. Duke Nukem is Vaporware, i'll explain this step by step using DN:F as the example: DN:F Was shown at E3 1998, 3D Realms only stated it'll be released "When it's done". DN:F 1998 was scrapped...Vaporware..the game they are currently working on will not be the same game, brand new engine, improved graphics and different story, this has already been stated by George Broussard. Just because a new game is being made does not make the old game they were working not Vaporware, it's very simple...they promised a game, they did not deliver...Vaporware, unless you can show me somebody who owns a copy of DN:F released back in 1998/2000+ DN and 3D Realms was a bad example to pick and i know why you did, because my first link cites it as an example, and they're right....the chances of us seeing the new DN:F is marginal at best if you take 3D Realms track record into account. AV promised as game as well, but because it didn't come out on time that makes it Vaporware to you and others...no sorry that doesn't make it Vaporware because people are currently playing and have purchased this game...not Vaporware, nobody was able to buy DN:F back in '98 and i very much doubt if people will be able to buy DN:F anytime soon if at all. I hope that puts things in a better light, since it's obvious that we're going to agree to disagree i'll bow out gracefuly now, you seem to have your mind made up about me and my tactics anyways so i fail to see why this discussion should continue.
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3/01/09 4:37:23 AM#50
Originally posted by mcquaided
Tell me about it. This dorkstar guy thinks he is some sort of hero. I guess he wants to make sure he gets some sort of badge or prize . Imagine. Darkfall is so great for him, he spends more time here in the threads "defending" his game from evil trolls that might get ingame and kill its populations. Yeah hes so hardcore . So what do you want some e-award for your e-heroic deeds.?
Hey ppl gotta work for a living. Leave him and his professional |
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3/01/09 5:06:41 AM#51
Originally posted by Darkstar111 Though though though Thou = "where art thou, where are you"
~~in no order~~Anarchy Online, Neocron, EQ2, Lineage2, CoH, CoV, Guild Wars+, DAoC, SWG(+NGE), Starpeace, Second life, Saga Ryzom, Planetside, Auto Assault, Eve-Online, WW2O, DDO, MxO, WoW, VSoH, LOTRO, RF-online, Cabal, Fury BETA,SotNW,TR,PotBS,AoC,WAR,GalaxyOnline, Darkfall, Fallen Earth, Aion, STO, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift, SWTOR |
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damian7
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Joined: 4/20/06
why must i be nice to people that have no clue, are lying, or are just stupid? |
3/01/09 6:25:04 AM#52
Originally posted by nikoliath Though though though Thou = "where art thou, where are you"
seriously, he can't post anymore. not since we pointed out that if darkfall was a great game; then, he'd be playing and not chain-posting like mad. could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please? |
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Respit
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Joined: 11/05/08
“It's not easy to cut through a human head with a hacksaw.” |
3/01/09 7:04:54 AM#53
Originally posted by Darkstar111
So you are saying that Razorwax trashed THIS after working on it for 2+ years? I really doubt it, considering current screens look amazingly similar to the low-resolution screens shown in link.
Now, if you can somehow verify what you stated above as fact, then please do so.
Until that time, Darkfall has been in development for 8+ years, and in concept for 12+ years.
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3/01/09 8:23:19 AM#54
Darkstar... just in case you didn't know, it's 2009..! This game would've been awsome in 2004, but as it stands only the game world is acceptable. You do understand that some games, their quests a narated and have extensive quest books. Some games have extensive graphical user interfaces, that allow you to at least change the font size/color, etc. So, from a non-gameplay stance, Darkfall is utterly amaturish! (character look funny and easily are outdated models, Animations are pethetic, spell effects are 10 years behind most games, sounds are inexusable and cleary from Atari era, etc)
From a gameplay stance, Darkfall is a 6 (out of 10) at best...! Combat is extremely clunky and nothing like a traditional FPS game that it's trying to emulate. The FoV is all wrong and just moving threw the game world gives an uncanny feel because there is no widescreen support. Ranged combat is a joke and only used for chasing people down, it's not a viable role within combat. Melee might seem awsome to many people, but not to the THOUSANDS of us who already burnt ourselves out on Counter strike knife fighting.
Perhaps thats the difference, many of the people who LOVE darkfall probably never played hardcore FPS games..! But the vast majority of us have and will not pay $15/month to raom the lands in gangs looking for a fight. We'd rather log into a game and do battle for 3-4 hours and log out.
The concept is awsome and I am still intrigued and wonder if Aventurine can fix enough of their problems before they have to close their doors. Because, I can see how sieging and combat with enough rewritten code would be spectacular and admittenly, I had a blast in afew battles during my 5 weeks of beta. But there is nothing hardcore or different in Darkfall to be anything else than a run-of-the-mill FPS game. What makes this game so special? You feel combat as it stands right now is awsome and doesn't need any rewriting or tweaking? I don't get it, what is everyone so happy about? Yeah, it new and does have some great things (all games do), but how is Darkfall going to keep you playing for more than 5-6 months..?
That^^ is what everyone is asking you rabid fanbois... What, within this game is so awsome, that you can see yourself playing 1 year from now? If you don't see yourself playing that long, then Darkfall is a failure as an mmorpg, because they rely on monthly revenue and long-term support. It's not like FEAR, where you buy the game and play it when your bored or once in a while. So WHAT in Darkfall is worth $15/month..? Tell us, PLEASE...! ____________________________ |
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daarco
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Joined: 12/19/06
I have Darkfall now! |
3/01/09 8:25:34 AM#55
How can you say DF is nothing, and then pretend that all other MMOs are "good"? DF is **** compared to what? DF combat is not good! Compared to WoW combat its innovative and fun. |
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3/01/09 8:28:57 AM#56
Originally posted by daarco
LOL? Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man! |
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3/01/09 1:23:30 PM#57
Originally posted by daarco
WoW or many of those other games came out 4-5 years ago? Aventurine has had many years to incorporate newer technology and features into their game. Aventurine has not..! There is nothing modern about this game, at all! I feel like I am playing an alpha stage of Oblivion.
Darkfall was suppose top be about this revolutionary combat system, were player skill and interaction was the key element to combat,etc. NEWSFLASH !!! It didn't work out and anyone can see where they cut corners and how it should be VS how they ended up making it. The concept of Darkfall is much more interesting than the actual game..!
So, Daarco... That is why I asked you, what makes you keep defending this pathetic game..? What is so awsome about Darkfall, that warrants $15/month and makes you want to keep playing? Secondly, do you play other FPS games (namely Battlefield series) ..?
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3/01/09 3:05:43 PM#58
Originally posted by Slampig Agreed with your conclusion. |
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3/01/09 3:12:20 PM#59
Originally posted by damian7
first off... who are you? are you supposed to be someone whose name i recognize?
second off... if you use words correctly, people will think you're intelligent.
vaporware, for instance. Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
[edit] Falls short of expectations The biggest example of this is the computer game Daikatana, which was announced in 1997 but did not ship until 2000. Many who had waited felt the gameplay was disappointing. Ultima IX was released to savage reviews in 1999, due to numerous bugs, unbalanced gameplay and high system requirements.
for someone whom made an account a couple of weeks ago, and think everyone should know who you are... at least get that one term straight... and um, good luck in becoming popular so people know who you are?
He has attempted to make a "name" for himself as a front man for AV. He is without a doubt quite devoted to this endeavour. So it leads people to suspect he is not simply a overjoyed fan interested in sharing his good fortune...but rather that he has a agenda. Frankly I commend his desire to keep people informed about the game, and discuss its features. He has done this very well. The problem is he is also in denial about any shortcomings other people see, perhaps in all fairness he dosnt care, or isnt capable of seeing those 'failings" of DF. Its this "rabid" denial and outright dismissal of any other point of view that discredits him. Give him time, you may find him here someday saying, yes. Some of the games detractors were right. Life is full of suprises. |
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