Originally posted by colep53

Originally posted by Rodhull

I played beta and trust me in about 2 weeks (or there abouts) when the novelty of the brilliant map wears off and when the novelty of fighting like benny hill and ganking people wears off it will suddenly seem like a very empty and boring game.

In fact eventually you'll think, 'hold on this is just essentially a massive tech demo for their map' thats actually what the game feels like, the mechanics for the rest of it are so unbalanced and gimped and easy to exlpoit its not even funny.

 

You just joined the site the day game was realsed. Most likely to bash on it. Would love some proof you were in beta.

he was, and all he did was constantly bitch about how the features weren't what he wanted.

He was one of a couple of guys that seemed to have a totaly skewed idea of what the game was supposed to be and wanted them to change it to fit his idea. usualy involving totaly reworking key game mechanics.

Originally posted by jonyak

Originally posted by colep53

Originally posted by Rodhull

I played beta and trust me in about 2 weeks (or there abouts) when the novelty of the brilliant map wears off and when the novelty of fighting like benny hill and ganking people wears off it will suddenly seem like a very empty and boring game.

In fact eventually you'll think, 'hold on this is just essentially a massive tech demo for their map' thats actually what the game feels like, the mechanics for the rest of it are so unbalanced and gimped and easy to exlpoit its not even funny.

 

You just joined the site the day game was realsed. Most likely to bash on it. Would love some proof you were in beta.

 

he was, and all he did was constantly bitch about how the features weren't what he wanted.

He was one of a couple of guys that seemed to have a totaly skewed idea of what the game was supposed to be and wanted them to change it to fit his idea. usualy involving totaly reworking key game mechanics.

Yes but they should have changed it for him and the 3 others that wanted it changed. This is what i thought well after I first thoguht he wasnt in beta at all.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo  

Why would a rational person pay to play an oblivion code with no content? 

 

Because they are and I am dumb.  I payed for a product and service, none of which was received.  I received an email that the launch client is up and I payed for it.  I received confirmation that Launch Date is the 25th.  Launch date 25th?  Nope...lies.  Stable product? Nope...lies.  Content-rich, nope...empty.

 

MMORPG.com:

There had been some speculation that there are plans to push the launch date further back than the originally announced 25th date. Can you tell us if there is any truth to this?

Tasos:

Consistent with the usual speculation sources, there’s no truth to this.
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/news/read/12976/Darkfall-Interview.html

And whos fault is that you rabid fanboy? You got ripped off and didn't want to see the warning signs through your fanboy goggles. Now you expect people to feel for you when all you have done is call anyone who saw through AV pack of lie, a freaking troll.

I am glad you gfot ripped off and next time don't be such a blind fanboy of a company that has broke promise after promise over the last 8 years.

How does it feel to be one of the fanboys with egg on your face. I hope they are smiling while buying beer with your pre order money...LOL

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by colep53

Id rather pay to beta test this game then to play another WoW cloned borefest. Yesterday before synch issues started I was having more fun in this mmo than I have had in any MMO in years.

 

Could you explain what makes the game so fun for you exactly?

what makes any game fun?

I enjoyed the group tactics, I enjoyed the city building. I enjoyed fighting the ai. I enjoyed the world design, I enjoyed being with friends. I enjoy to melee combat. I enjoy the archery. I enjoyed big wars we had. I enjoyed running around on horses. I enjoyed the exploration. I enjoyed crafting potions for my guild mates. I enjoyed the character progression as well as the guild progression.

I enjoyed the couple of quests I did that I found out in small outposts that took me all over the plact and kept on going, I never finished it.

I enjoyed the dungeons I went into.

all of these things made the game fun.

There are lots of things that need fixing, but I still enjoyed it.

can you explain exactly why you are still on a board for a game you don't like?

like the game, think the amount of guild activity will make it better then beta, but wish we had a better way to report bugs and exploits the system in place makes giving feedback a pain in the ass
 

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by colep53

Id rather pay to beta test this game then to play another WoW cloned borefest. Yesterday before synch issues started I was having more fun in this mmo than I have had in any MMO in years.

 

Could you explain what makes the game so fun for you exactly?

I like the combat. Love that its different and not sandwich combat (u know target auto attack then leave and make a sandwich, come back to see if you won or not)

I like how there is player competion for everyhing. Mobs, loot, hell if you wanted to chop on that tree knock the other guy away from it.

I like that when i die it actually means somthing.

I like the big open seamless world.

I like that its not the same thing that i have been playing for years with new paint on top of it.

Ok now i could go on but how about some things to look forward to.

The clan and siege system looks fun, boats, competeting for dungeons and rare spawns, being attacked by flying dragon that i didnt notice but he noticed me from above and wanted to kill me.

Ok im done thats enough.

edit: what i dont like is the devs communication with us. It sucks. If im payignt o beta test somone better be telling me whats going on.

Op get it right your not paying to play a beta game

its officially release

sheesh people these days.

Originally posted by colep53

Id rather pay to beta test this game then to play another WoW cloned borefest. Yesterday before synch issues started I was having more fun in this mmo than I have had in any MMO in years.

To be honest its part our fault for demanding the game be realsed asap and part because AV had no more money.

So I ask you, want a good MMO thats actually fresh then play this, pay for this beta and get this game to be the best it possibly can be so we are not all stuck playing the same game with new skin on top of it like we have been the last however many years of MMO's.

And to al the Darkfall haters why? Why come post here about it. Makes no sense. Never have i had the urge to go post on forums of other game because i didnt like it. What sad pathetic boring lives you must have to spend any amount of time hating on a game. Oh wait thats right your bored becuase every mmo has been the exact same for years.

You really have no clue do you, the sync issues like all the other issues have been around since beta!! the just released the came to get money, In other words they didnt fix it in beta but are fixing it while we pay!

This is going to be a very, very good game.  It just looks like we are going to have to put with some little growing pains first.

I was in the beta and had a blast.  I'm a member of a large guild (SA) and we did so many fun things.  Having no levels, and not being contrained to a certain areas works wonders on the freedom level.  I participated in two big battles, with my FPS holding steady.  This game is all about Clan conquest, territory domination or defense.

Once you guys get to the meat and potatoes of this game, you all are in for a treat.

Originally posted by RoYkO

Originally posted by colep53

Id rather pay to beta test this game then to play another WoW cloned borefest. Yesterday before synch issues started I was having more fun in this mmo than I have had in any MMO in years.

To be honest its part our fault for demanding the game be realsed asap and part because AV had no more money.

So I ask you, want a good MMO thats actually fresh then play this, pay for this beta and get this game to be the best it possibly can be so we are not all stuck playing the same game with new skin on top of it like we have been the last however many years of MMO's.

And to al the Darkfall haters why? Why come post here about it. Makes no sense. Never have i had the urge to go post on forums of other game because i didnt like it. What sad pathetic boring lives you must have to spend any amount of time hating on a game. Oh wait thats right your bored becuase every mmo has been the exact same for years.

You really have no clue do you, the sync issues like all the other issues have been around since beta!! the just released the came to get money, In other words they didnt fix it in beta but are fixing it while we pay!

YEAH heard they fixed it in beta. Also heard there are ton more poeple playing now and it needs fixing. They fix that game is pretty dang awesome. And wasnt my whole post that we are paying to beta so i dont knwo where you were going witht that last part.

And still i dont get why people bash a game. Unless your palying it doesnt make sense to bash it.

Originally posted by jonyak

Originally posted by colep53

Originally posted by Rodhull

I played beta and trust me in about 2 weeks (or there abouts) when the novelty of the brilliant map wears off and when the novelty of fighting like benny hill and ganking people wears off it will suddenly seem like a very empty and boring game.

In fact eventually you'll think, 'hold on this is just essentially a massive tech demo for their map' thats actually what the game feels like, the mechanics for the rest of it are so unbalanced and gimped and easy to exlpoit its not even funny.

 

You just joined the site the day game was realsed. Most likely to bash on it. Would love some proof you were in beta.

 

he was, and all he did was constantly bitch about how the features weren't what he wanted.

He was one of a couple of guys that seemed to have a totaly skewed idea of what the game was supposed to be and wanted them to change it to fit his idea. usualy involving totaly reworking key game mechanics.

Yeah of course cause what i wanted TOTALLY changed the mechanics of the game...

Just for you retard ill recap on the apparent gamechanging changes i wanted implemented and id love to hear you explain how they required completely reworking the mechanics (which you wont be able to cause they didnt)

1) Wanted stamina and sprinting tweaked so that people couldnt sprint in combat and so that sprinting worked off of a seperate smaller 'stamina' bar to prevent people being able to sprint half way across the map which totally devalues exploration and makes avoiding mobs and players way to easy.

2) Make blocking tactically important in pvp by greatly lowering its stamina cost and increasing it speed, as currently it is pretty pointless and MOST people use polearms or 2h swords for a good reason (which leads me onto point 3) blocking atm is only worthwile in groups in PVE

3) Balance the weapons and make them all viable

4) Balance the armours and make them all viable not just studded leather and hard armous like plate (which is all anyone uses)

5) Add localised markets like Eve to facilitate deeper gameplay like trade regions and trade wars.

6) Fix the mob AI across the board, up their damage lower their hits, make them more fun and more dangerous to fight.

7) add more attack skills

8) fix he numerous dungeon and gameplay exploits which totally ruin pvp games

9) Tweak or remove the rogue alignment system as it was retarded and to exploitable, it served no practical purpose

Now please tell me what is so unreasonable about those, and please if your a beta tester tell me how you managed to ignore the posts on all of these problems which appeared almost daily i was by no means one of only 3 people, in fact id say in beta the people who didnt support at least one or two of those changes where a minority.

Originally posted by Hellmoob

I was in beta with him. Although, to be fair, he was kicked out... Same as Lethn and TheFlameDeluge, though they were banned too. It's probably because the devs considered his criticism to be too harsh, which is bullshit really, since it was valid.

'Nuff proof? Honestly, calling someone a troll because you don't have a logical way to refute their statements is weak.

BS.  I don't know why this guy was banned, but if Lethn was banned it was for trolling every single thread on the beta boards.

He wasn't criticizing the game, he was flaming everyone who wasn't absolutely disgusted with the game.

Add to that MoOrbid he was banned to (he pm'd me) all of us the day before the release and payment announcement hit, it was to prevent bad press for their game on their own forums... simple as that

Originally posted by Rodhull

Add to that MoOrbid he was banned to (he pm'd me) all of us the day before the release and payment announcement hit, it was to prevent bad press for their game on their own forums... simple as that

BS.  I openly criticized the game and warned the community that release was going to be very rocky and that they SHOULD NOT preorder unless they are fully prepared and accepting of this.  I posted this in numerous threads in New comers, Advanced and OT.  I never even received so much as a warning.

You are just spreading lies now because you are unhappy with the game and then got banned for being a douche on the forums.

Seriously, if they were so worried with image to the outside world and creating bad press, they would HAVE a PR department or would have at least put a little more effort into cleaning up the forums and their web page.  If you got banned, you were BEGGING to get banned.

Aventurine as a company is what has generated so much of the hate during the game's development, not the game itself.

Shoddy treatment of the community and lack of communication is what we witnessed during Darkfall's development and that's exactly what people are seeing right now.   

Players need to stop separating the game from the company,   Running is MMORPG is more than just designing game mechanics, it's an equal part customer service.     If you're making a MMORPG you have to be able to do BOTH. 

If the OP wants to pay for a beta-test fine, but then the company should come out and STATE that they are asking people to pay for a beta test, not claim that they're releasing a fully complete game.    They should be honest and upfront with the community and communicate.

This isn't about bashing the game, it's about not wanting to see more MMORPG developers copy the behavior we've seen from Aventurine.     If one company gets away with it, then other will think they can as well. 

Originally posted by colep53

To be honest its part our fault for demanding the game be realsed asap and part because AV had no more money.

Please forgive me ='( I thought it was an easy requirement to ask for a game to be finished 8 YEARS AFTER STARTING DEVELOPMENT. Again, sorry for this.

Originally posted by colep53

Originally posted by Hellmoob

Originally posted by colep53

Originally posted by Rodhull

I played beta and trust me in about 2 weeks (or there abouts) when the novelty of the brilliant map wears off and when the novelty of fighting like benny hill and ganking people wears off it will suddenly seem like a very empty and boring game.

In fact eventually you'll think, 'hold on this is just essentially a massive tech demo for their map' thats actually what the game feels like, the mechanics for the rest of it are so unbalanced and gimped and easy to exlpoit its not even funny.

 

You just joined the site the day game was realsed. Most likely to bash on it. Would love some proof you were in beta.

 I was in beta with him. Although, to be fair, he was kicked out... Same as Lethn and TheFlameDeluge, though they were banned too. It's probably because the devs considered his criticism to be too harsh, which is bullshit really, since it was valid.

'Nuff proof? Honestly, calling someone a troll because you don't have a logical way to refute their statements is weak.

 

No just wanted proof since he actually joined this site the day Darkfall came out. Great he doesnt like the game go play another game other like me enjoy it. Enough refuting for you. And what are you his boyfriend sticking up for him? It is nice of you though.

Wait...you ask for proof he was in beta, and when two people vouch for it and the circumstances surrounding it , you mock them and insult them?

There's a difference between trolling/flaming and a valid address of grievances.  Learn them.  Just as you felt the all-powerful need to call people out for 'hating the game', he perhaps felt the same need to warn others about perceived faults.

Short:  Don't be a dick.

Everyone who bashes any game is a dick, plain and simple. There is NO reason to bash a game. If you don't like it then say "I didn't like it" don't go off on how the developers made empty promises or this and that were changed.

Games change ALL THE FING TIME, look at WoW, it's been changed so many times since it's been LIVE. If you don't like the changes then don't play the game.

You aren't saving anyone any money by "telling them what's wrong with it" aka bitching about the game because they will STILL most likely buy the game if they were willing to in the first place.

Aventurine is a small independent game developing company, it took them a lot of years to release their first game because they aren't Blizzard (and btw, Blizzard has been working on Diablo III for at least 5 years. I have the proof for it to if anyone wants to PM me and ask.) And Diablo isn't even remotely as complicated as Darkfall.

So get off your high horses and leave the developers and the game alone. If you don't like it then good for you. I haven't even played the game yet (neither beta nor release) and I'm tired of all the bitching and whinning. I will judge the game on how -I- like it not how much you think it needs to be changed.

And btw, just because YOU think you are important doesn't mean Aventurine does. They don't make games based around your needs and wants, so get over it.