Originally posted by JonMichael

No.

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Originally posted by Chubbyjesus
I know, im the reason that people can't just make decent consumer choices.

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MMORPGs are exempt because they're persistant. They can add ANYTHING in at ANY point. So they can say all types of things.. Same as every MMORPG did..

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Most deliver on the SOME of the things.. Others dont.
Im sorry that you don't feel like you can make a decision on your own and take it from there.
I don't read the box and expect everything. I read the box and expect the stuff I see in the little screenshots and blurbs like "PLAY WITH PEOPLE".
If at any moment I dont like the game, I stop playing it.

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Of course you can avoid disappointment by lowering your expectations to near the zero level. But ask yourself how you could develop that reflex. There are two ways of fighting shitty treatment by others. One is to develop a masochistic reflex and taking it all and the other is to not tolerate it and not fund it. You chose the first, I chose the second. I sure hoped (and with a little corner of my mind still hope) that DF would be a good game to play for months to come. But when I saw the business conduct of AV I abstained. A company which is not able to do simple things like keeping customers informed and have an up to date website (among other things) is more than probably not able to muster all that is needed to sucessfully launch and rund a MMORPG.

[qute]Simply dont buy it/play it. That nullifies all your words.[/quote]
Sometimes you should really use some logic beside your "common sense"...

Thank you. I have been looking for a smart way to tell these people to shut da fug up and calm down.

great post.

I agree with Chubby, everyone should just chill.

This is utter crap. I understand someone saying be patient for fixes. At launch I give the benefit of the doubt to quests not working right. Maybe some skills are bugged. Chat not working, but not even being able to log in is going way too far. The game should at least be in some PLAYABLE state!!!

I've seen horrid launches in my day, but the complaints I'm hearing go beyond patience. Noone like sitting at home with a client loaded and patched then cannot log. These are issues that should have been taken care of. There is no excuse!@

 Whilst I agree with the OPs point, the post itself was one of the most bile-filled, arrogant, masturbatory diatribes I've ever had the misfortune to read.  A great advert for the community...good work fella 

Originally posted by Chubbyjesus

So whats going on!?

 

DarkFall huh.. Sheesh what a mess right?

Here are a few things that us grown ups are automatically doing, because of common sense.

 

 

1) Being Patient. This is an MMORPG. It isn't a single player console games. If you dont understand MMORPGs, just listen to me, I have more then enough experience for the both of us.

 

2) Stop requesting. You look like a jackass. "GIVE ME AN UPDATE/THIS/THAT/FIRST BORN, NOW". If they said "It will be fixed in 7 hours, youd be back in 2 complaining why it isnt fixed yet.

Before you start typing to defend yourself.. Stop. There is no time. This isn't pizza bagels in a toaster oven. They're given rough estimates and due to the lack of maturity in the followers, they rarely even give those. Because people call them liars and murders and rapists.. 

 

3) Pretend the game is launching 2 weeks from now, if you happen to get into the game before then. LUCKY! If not, oh well. You still have a life, right?

 

4) THEY HAVE TO GET THE SERVERS STABLE BEFORE THEY COULD EVER CONSIDER WIPING THEM. Shut up about it already. Its a high chance it wont happen AT ALL. Fat people call people exploiters because they are fat.

 

5) If your pre-order didnt work yet. YOU ARENT A CUSTOMER. You have no rights and they offered a CANCEL option.

SHUT UP AND LEAVE ALREADY.

 

Stop crying, stop bitching and moaning and start being grown ass people.

Grown ass people don't cry like little girls.

 

Hi, im common sense and I approve this message!

 

~Chubby

lol, calling yourself a grown up and then flaming everyone who (has all the right to) complain about it. while some go over-the-top with the complaint i see many being valid, there are gamekilling bugs/exploits that have give a few guilds a headstart over others. why dont u make a new thread and bring up some valid arguments instead of telling everyone to shut up cause u are an awesome experienced mmo player. stop being full of yourself, roflmao
 

Everybody wishes something was different.

Darkfall fans want to play so they cry.

Chub wants people not to complain so he crys.

I guess Chub thinks crying about a game is for kids while crying about people is adult.

Ok you win, you have achieved the highest tier of crying authority.

I know this. I will feast on all you teary asses in game!

Originally posted by Chubbyjesus

Im sorry.. Im way too busy laughing at the irony in posts like this one.. Gimme a second, let me read it more carefully and see if you're actually saying anything.

 K, no you didnt. Basically im ignorant for wanting to buy this game. And you're awesome because its much cooler to lurk around telling people to not play a game.

 Adults don't go into a Jerry McGuire "Whose coming with me" everytime they dont like something.And the only thing really ignorant, is you claiming the game is a flop already.It must be if it doesnt have 'Entitled Player X' playing it.

 ;) Im kidding around a bit with you.. Dont take it seriously. Dont get so upset either.Im excited that your opinion is different then mine.. but its still an opinion.

 

Sorry. Good luck.

Bro, most people are simply responding to YOUR  irrational plea, when simply logic dictates that those are are patient and do not purchase this game, will be rewarded with a more knowledgable facts as they unfold.

Your irrational responses and trite argument doesn't bolster anything within your opening post.

We simple don't care if you are going to buy the game! Go ahead, all the power to you.  But, please, don't come here and troll the forums with MANDATORY must read threads when all you are saying is that you trust Adventurine and no matter their problems, you have confidence.

Most people are discussing relevent matters about the GAME, so we really don't care about your decision to buy the game or even trying to disuade you. We are discussing the many pitfalls and the numerous issues and how those are valid reason to be weary.

If you are blind to those or those issues will not influence your decision, then why even post or announce your decision. Try discussing the game....  

Originally posted by Chubbyjesus

**snip**

This game is just a game to me.

**snip**

And yet, here you are, trying to quell the masses.  If it were truly "just a game" to you then you, like many others from this board, should just sit back and shake your head, as you should already know your words are meaningless.
You have said many times in this topic about everyone having their own opinion; you should really take your own words into consideration.  Do you think because you are a self-proclaimed "MMO Veteran" that your opinion holds more merit than anyone else's here?  I think not, as a matter of fact it makes it sound like you are a blowhard who can barely carry his own ego.

 Well, it's not as if everyone didn't already know this launch was going to be a disaster. Caveat emptor...

I love how OP comes and uses big words and complex sentences to put everyone down who doesn't agree with him.  Actually, makes him look more pathetic and desperate than the people who come and say, "OMFGWTF, I ned to pwnz newbz or I will diezzzz..."

Fact is how can you even come off defending this company?  They screwed up horribly and can't admit it.  They need to just give people the real information about what is going on.  But instead they have Brannoc make some very vague posts in mIRC and have shutr down every other form of contact with them.  Even their support system gives generic auto-replies.  They are trying to cover up all their lies.  They contradict themself with each update they do give.  First the billing was messed and and for whatever reason that was keepign servers from launching, but that the game was and has been ready.  Ok, whatever, now next update says huge bug found so we won't release, but I thought it was ready to go?  This is just one tiny example of what has been going on past several days. 

And I don't know where you think everyone is able to cancel their preorders as the entire account management has been down for days, and only recently came back up with no option to do it since its past the 25th.   They need to offer a refund for people, but they won't.  They are desperate for money, and will abuse peoples trust to get it.  From noon on the 24th to evening on the 25th no one could get into the account management page to cancel their order.  This isn't just a little shady?  Offering preorders then taking the site down where you can do it is a very fucked up thing to do.  Some of you fanbois are just too blind to see that at the momemt.  You guys will eventually come out of your DF induced coma at one point and realize what is really going on.

You fanboyism isn't shielded by the fact that you can put a complex idea together and come up with creative ways to put others down who are askign legitimate questions.  You are the one who is actually looking foolish in this thread.  People have logical concerns about where their money is and about the company accessing their accounts.  They spoon-fed people all these lies about all these great features and did not put a single one in.  No wonder they kept the NDA down so long.  They absolutely couldn't let people see the huge flop they had on their hands or how would they ever get preorder money?

Originally posted by Chubbyjesus

So whats going on!?

 

DarkFall huh.. Sheesh what a mess right?

Here are a few things that us grown ups are automatically doing, because of common sense.

 

 

1) Being Patient. This is an MMORPG. It isn't a single player console games. If you dont understand MMORPGs, just listen to me, I have more then enough experience for the both of us.

 

2) Stop requesting. You look like a jackass. "GIVE ME AN UPDATE/THIS/THAT/FIRST BORN, NOW". If they said "It will be fixed in 7 hours, youd be back in 2 complaining why it isnt fixed yet.

Before you start typing to defend yourself.. Stop. There is no time. This isn't pizza bagels in a toaster oven. They're given rough estimates and due to the lack of maturity in the followers, they rarely even give those. Because people call them liars and murders and rapists.. 

 

3) Pretend the game is launching 2 weeks from now, if you happen to get into the game before then. LUCKY! If not, oh well. You still have a life, right?

 

4) THEY HAVE TO GET THE SERVERS STABLE BEFORE THEY COULD EVER CONSIDER WIPING THEM. Shut up about it already. Its a high chance it wont happen AT ALL. Fat people call people exploiters because they are fat.

 

5) If your pre-order didnt work yet. YOU ARENT A CUSTOMER. You have no rights and they offered a CANCEL option.

SHUT UP AND LEAVE ALREADY.

 

Stop crying, stop bitching and moaning and start being grown ass people.

Grown ass people don't cry like little girls.

 

Hi, im common sense and I approve this message!

 

~Chubby

/facepalm

Originally posted by jimsmith08

Hello Tasos, my old friend,
Its those preorders once again,
The sync has left me softly creeping,
your server farm has left me weeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Yet from you its silence.

And in the forums I did saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
Fanbois hearing without listening,
People writing excuses that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound, of Brannoc

And the fanbois bowed and prayed
To the developer God they had made.
All the signs flashed out their warning,
The realisation was slowly forming
And the signs said, the words of the prophets
Are written in the forum calls
And clan city halls.
Preorders heard the sound,of silence

I wanted  to add this was pure genius, and did add redeeming value to the thread after all.

Thanks for sharing this.

Originally posted by TrikkyMakk

I agree and want to add that if the the people complaining were to complain about what their governments are doing to them as much as they do about this game the world would be a much better place.

I blame the Goverment for letting Taoes to make a useless game like DF.

Originally posted by defariak

I expect to be informed. period.

I am a customer now and it is unacceptable the lack of communication.

period.

nothing else.

They are communicating, so just chill out.

Good post OP, happy to see at least one decent human being around here.

Good post.

It is sad when you see people posting here being happy that a game failed.

Some of them no longer have the right to call themselves gamers after some of their nonsense.

Especially when have of them guarenteed us the game was vaporware and a scam...and have now conveiniently forgot about that.  Oh well, they have had a very bad launch, but a launch nonetheless...and the game is still better than anything out there right now once they fix sync issues.

Originally posted by Chubbyjesus

So whats going on!?

 

DarkFall huh.. Sheesh what a mess right?

Here are a few things that us grown ups are automatically doing, because of common sense.

 

 

1) Being Patient. This is an MMORPG. It isn't a single player console games. If you dont understand MMORPGs, just listen to me, I have more then enough experience for the both of us.

 

2) Stop requesting. You look like a jackass. "GIVE ME AN UPDATE/THIS/THAT/FIRST BORN, NOW". If they said "It will be fixed in 7 hours, youd be back in 2 complaining why it isnt fixed yet.

Before you start typing to defend yourself.. Stop. There is no time. This isn't pizza bagels in a toaster oven. They're given rough estimates and due to the lack of maturity in the followers, they rarely even give those. Because people call them liars and murders and rapists.. 

 

3) Pretend the game is launching 2 weeks from now, if you happen to get into the game before then. LUCKY! If not, oh well. You still have a life, right?

 

4) THEY HAVE TO GET THE SERVERS STABLE BEFORE THEY COULD EVER CONSIDER WIPING THEM. Shut up about it already. Its a high chance it wont happen AT ALL. Fat people call people exploiters because they are fat.

 

5) If your pre-order didnt work yet. YOU ARENT A CUSTOMER. You have no rights and they offered a CANCEL option.

SHUT UP AND LEAVE ALREADY.

 

Stop crying, stop bitching and moaning and start being grown ass people.

Grown ass people don't cry like little girls.

 

Hi, im common sense and I approve this message!

 

~Chubby

It's because of posts like this, that this type of 'release' is excused and tolerated.

There is NOTHING acceptable about any of this soap opera.  These games should be independantly tested before they ever see the light of day, and the company involved is allowed to get anywhere near CC details.

Server stress tests should be mandatory as part of this procedure, as well as all the relevant support structures that involve customer accounts.

I would be ashamed to have posted anything similar to what you just did.  The days of hoodwinking the public should be a thing of the past.  Unfortunately, it is very much part of the present day.  This garbage needs stamping out - quickly.

Originally posted by TheNitewolf

Originally posted by Mathillas
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I guess in Europe where people are slaves to socialism ...

 

been out of your bunker recently? sorry but with a statement like that in your post, how can you be expected to be taken serious by anybody who's not mentally stuck in the 50s? what's worse is that you're most likely not old enough to have lived in those times.

No, actually, he is spot on.  He even used the phrase "hurry up and wait," a phrase well known to Americans living in many European countries.  Although I wouldnt quite call them "slaves to socialism," just because the wall fell, doesnt mean attitudes towards business in Europe are nearly as competitive or cut throat as they are in the US.

The fact of the matter is, cut throat (or otherwise) competition is not a factor in many businesses in Europe, thus breeding a lax attitude towards a company's customer base.

Just ask any customer of Deutsche Telekom...