Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by miagisan

i think alot more of it has to do with the fact their server code is running in Java rather than C#/C++. Java does not have the "backbone" to handle huge amounts of data like an mmorpg has.

 

  Don't blame this on Java: The worst part about Java is actually compiling it; once compiled and built it is as good as any other language.

Some applications are written entirely in Java ( i.e. Runescape) , so it has a very sufficient "backbone". People just prefer to use older languages like C/C++/Fortran, because they already have vast libraries written for them.

ok :) i will respect your knowledge over this more than mine. I am a geologist who has dabbled in a little bit of programming, but everyone i ever talked to has always said, if you are going to build a code for mass data, never use Java.

   The difference is WoW was created by a professional company with a track record of great games. The OP keeps comparing DF to WoW saying "They did it so we can to."

  No they cant. You see Blizzard didnt cap pre-orders to 10k. The reason WoW's servers blew up is because the surge of unexpected players. AV had a goal of 10k players on launch and couldnt even handle it after 8 years of development. What was Beta for? FAIL

Blizzard is the big bad bos you and me hate. What they actually developed was (surprise surprise) a tedious boring game good for zombies and even better for (multi million dollar mentality) corporations.

What the MMO world needs:

Less filthy rich bosses to boss the market around and make our lives BORING...

Freedom for the middle man to cater his good ideas to the masses that can give us an ALTERNATIVE.

ALTERNATIVE is about being alive.

BORING is about becoming a zombie.

Can't get much clear than that.

Still here? I thought you were off to play DF

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by gnlLucid

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by gnlLucid

Originally posted by gnlLucid

Originally posted by imbant

As a beta tester, i was one of many who saw this launch coming.  We begged them to delay and get it sorted out, and you better believe I am very upset with them for messing this up....they made a huge noob move and look pretty bad.

BUT

Just like WoW...they are admitting their mistake...offering 3 days of free play for the 1 day of delay.  Does it excuse them not being ready?  of course not....but it does show that they know when they messed up.

 

Fact is...they have released the game, and the game is still amazing.  The fact that they are retarded with their billing system and ability to handle the flow is a seperate issue.

So sorry if you are claiming "the skeptic were right"...no you werent.  The game isnt vaporware, it released, and the game itself is still the best pvp mmo on the market right now in the fantasy setting....they just are absolutly retarded when it came to how they handled billing.

 

This was expected though, as the haters were going to say they were right now matter what happened, so of course they are getting wet over this....pretty sad when you see gamers say "yes yes yes the game failed"....i feel bad for them.

 

Only pre-orders can log in, no new account registrations will be activated until the server is "stable".  Hell not even all of the pre-orders are activated.  Thus, the game has not been released, just in paid closed beta.

 

 

Heres one you passed up.

 

Yea thats one that I would pass up to get to other posts...especially given your post history on this forum as pure trolling, although that one isnt bad.

The game is released....a bad release...but call it what it is.  It isnt closed beta...thats just strecthing and if you really want to bash df you can do better than that.

 

Ok fine, its released, can you link me to where I can buy it please?

Maybe you should have bought it before they sold out. Don't worry, more copies available in a day or two, then you can admit you're wrong to everyone? 

Heh how does a Digital game sell out? I get it when box copies sell out there are no more, are they out of bandwith to download the game? Oh thats right they want to make sure the server can handle the load, that really sounds like a stress test to me, only thing is usually stress tests are free.......... you don't have to fork out $50.00 to play the stress test.
 

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Mcpoopypants

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Borkotron

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by bongloads

Originally posted by Gameloading

Um, they were right. Darkfall turned out to be another Dark & Light,a very low quality mmorpg.

Darkfall proved once more that you can't make a triple A mmorpg on a low budget these days anymore.

 and yet another troll....   

Once you get past the fear of hiding behind your tab-targetting system you might enjoy this game...  nah it's probably too dark and scary for you.

 

Cute, another mindless fanboy drone. Whenever you say something bad about the game you get branded as a "troll". Please by all means, keep thinking you are "Manly" by playing Darkfall. Wow, you're a darkfall player? watch out people, There is a tough guy over here.

 

And you are a mindless troll. How stupid are you to equate a problematic start to a game being exactly like Dark and light or not having any possibility of being a Triple A MMO? How many "triple a" MMOs also had problematic starts? Are they all like Dark & Light too? I mean how stupid can you be to generalize like that?

 

And where was I refering to the launch problems in this thread?  Do you even read posts before you click on reply, or does your mindless fanboi instincts tell you to click the "Reply" button whenever someone dares to say something bad about your low budget, low quality mmorpg?

 

This coming from someone who used to worship Archlord. Archlord has been out for years and Darkfall already beats it hands down. It's obvious you didnt play Darkfall or you'd know its much higher quality then DnL and Archlord

 

ArchLord is far superior to Darkfall. In fact, even many free low budget asian mmorpgs beat Darkfall, it's really that bad.

you're saying that with a straight face?   lol 

It's premature to say what Darkfall is going to do one way or the other, there have been online games that were hailed by fans as the "best game ever" only to watch them close up shop, on the other hand there have been online games that have been plagued with "this game will fail" and are still up.

What is fact is that Darkfall had a VERY rough two days that every staff member didn't want to happen all the way down to the janitor and for whatever reason they released way too early, maybe they needed too..that is possible, maybe they thought it was ready...really though the only people that can answer that is the devs.

These problems is like a choice, well-cooked prime rib with mashed potatoes dripping with gravy and a ice cold beer to wash it down, trolls/skeptics are going to jump on it with the ravenous appetite of somebody who hasn't eaten in days, my suggestion for the true Darkfall fans out there is to learn to roll with the punches because if Darkfall is a success then the trolling will subside slowly, and if the game fails you probably won't be posting here anymore which will stop the trolling as well.

I cannot take the OP seriously because the topic isn't a discussion, it's troll-baiting at it's worst and his response to everybody with a different view breaks down to "quiet troll", people here who have given polite (with a touch of abrasive/sarcasm in some) replies that touch on the problem that are going on now is met with the same.

Baiting a subject then proceeding to troll the trollers makes you a troll as well OP, and no you're not fighting some good fight but instead are eager and willing to show exactly how far you're willing to stoop to somebody else's level to prove some type of point.

This was a bad way to start up a new online game in an industry that is saturated with them as it is, this is a fact and that's all that needs to be said.

Originally posted by Signe

Good Grief, imbant.  You seemed completely obssessed with "haters" and "trolls" and "skeptics"  You can't simply say, "We get three days of compensation. (or whatever the latest news is)  Yay!", you have to bring up trolls again and again.  You even anticipate what a "troll" might say before they've even seen it. let alone respond, like some fortune teller.  You have post after post doing it, too.  What is up with that?

He has a agenda? hmm...

Nicely said.

These trolls need to gtfo tbh.

Originally posted by TheGrue

It's premature to say what Darkfall is going to do one way or the other, there have been online games that were hailed by fans as the "best game ever" only to watch them close up shop, on the other hand there have been online games that have been plagued with "this game will fail" and are still up.

What is fact is that Darkfall had a VERY rough two days that every staff member didn't want to happen all the way down to the janitor and for whatever reason they released way too early, maybe they needed too..that is possible, maybe they thought it was ready...really though the only people that can answer that is the devs.

These problems is like a choice, well-cooked prime rib with mashed potatoes dripping with gravy and a ice cold beer to wash it down, trolls/skeptics are going to jump on it with the ravenous appetite of somebody who hasn't eaten in days, my suggestion for the true Darkfall fans out there is to learn to roll with the punches because if Darkfall is a success then the trolling will subside slowly, and if the game fails you probably won't be posting here anymore which will stop the trolling as well.

I cannot take the OP seriously because the topic isn't a discussion, it's troll-baiting at it's worst and his response to everybody with a different view breaks down to "quiet troll", people here who have given polite (with a touch of abrasive/sarcasm in some) replies that touch on the problem that are going on now is met with the same.

Baiting a subject then proceeding to troll the trollers makes you a troll as well OP, and no you're not fighting some good fight but instead are eager and willing to show exactly how far you're willing to stoop to somebody else's level to prove some type of point.

This was a bad way to start up a new online game in an industry that is saturated with them as it is, this is a fact and that's all that needs to be said.

 

 

Outstanding post.
 

To the op.

you kinda may want to change your sig as it does fuel the info trolls and haters need to burn you with. With that sig your basicly walking around drenched in gas and have a torch lot.

Your burning yourself.

I have seen many of your posts on how you bashed people. how you blew them up with the feb 25  release date and its real stuff.

Yes a few idiots decided to say this game was vaporware which its not. I quite knew you would make a post like this.

Most of the skeptic people and those who had legitament complaints were right. The game was not ready and the company would not be able to handle it properly. It is showing right now how many are complaining how they cannot get into the game. the game is out of sync. ect. These are things that listed on your sig links were not supposed to happen because according to your tasos this game was MORE than ready than many mmos out there.Keep in mind many of these people are players of the game complaining of the game. not trolls.

Originally posted by maxnrosy

To the op.

you kinda may want to change your sig as it does fuel the info trolls and haters need to burn you with. With that sig your basicly walking around drenched in gas and have a torch lot.

Your burning yourself.

 

I have seen many of your posts on how you bashed people. how you blew them up with the feb 25  release date and its real stuff.

Yes a few idiots decided to say this game was vaporware which its not. I quite knew you would make a post like this.

Most of the skeptic people and those who had legitament complaints were right. The game was not ready and the company would not be able to handle it properly. It is showing right now how many are complaining how they cannot get into the game. the game is out of sync. ect. These are things that listed on your sig links were not supposed to happen because according to your tasos this game was MORE than ready than many mmos out there.Keep in mind many of these people are players of the game complaining of the game. not trolls.

 

 

Lol  you are right about his sig.

in other news you have baaaaaaad spelling.

Originally posted by imbant

As a beta tester, i was one of many who saw this launch coming.  We begged them to delay and get it sorted out, and you better believe I am very upset with them for messing this up....they made a huge noob move and look pretty bad.

BUT

Just like WoW...they are admitting their mistake...offering 3 days of free play for the 1 day of delay.  Does it excuse them not being ready?  of course not....but it does show that they know when they messed up.

 

Fact is...they have released the game, and the game is still amazing.  The fact that they are retarded with their billing system and ability to handle the flow is a seperate issue.

So sorry if you are claiming "the skeptic were right"...no you werent.  The game isnt vaporware, it released, and the game itself is still the best pvp mmo on the market right now in the fantasy setting....they just are absolutly retarded when it came to how they handled billing.

 

This was expected though, as the haters were going to say they were right now matter what happened, so of course they are getting wet over this....pretty sad when you see gamers say "yes yes yes the game failed"....i feel bad for them.

vaporware...  the word still does not mean what you think it means.  look it up, use it correctly.

Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

that last sentence is certainly not an exception which would include darkfall.

[edit] Falls short of expectations
This category refers particularly to products that may not be inherently flawed or defective, but rather fail to fulfill the high expectations of the consumers who have been subjected to aggressive marketing campaigns and constant hype from either the company itself or the media who reported about it in the period leading to release. Delays on such products have been known to inflate to months and even years, creating often unrealistic expectations of the final version once it eventually reaches store shelves.

The biggest example of this is the computer game Daikatana, which was announced in 1997 but did not ship until 2000. Many who had waited felt the gameplay was disappointing. Ultima IX was released to savage reviews in 1999, due to numerous bugs, unbalanced gameplay and high system requirements.

daikatana is just not very hardcore, it was only 97-00... lightweight.

hmm iam a fanboi becuase i want a game to succed so i can have fun. So iam a normal person if i want the game fail and for no one to have fun? this dosent make sense to me awwwwwwww.

Originally posted by dougmysticey

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by kdparton

Originally posted by imbant

As a beta tester, i was one of many who saw this launch coming.  We begged them to delay and get it sorted out, and you better believe I am very upset with them for messing this up....they made a huge noob move and look pretty bad.

BUT

Just like WoW...they are admitting their mistake...offering 3 days of free play for the 1 day of delay.  Does it excuse them not being ready?  of course not....but it does show that they know when they messed up.

 

Fact is...they have released the game, and the game is still amazing.  The fact that they are retarded with their billing system and ability to handle the flow is a seperate issue.

So sorry if you are claiming "the skeptic were right"...no you werent.  The game isnt vaporware, it released, and the game itself is still the best pvp mmo on the market right now in the fantasy setting....they just are absolutly retarded when it came to how they handled billing.

 

This was expected though, as the haters were going to say they were right now matter what happened, so of course they are getting wet over this....pretty sad when you see gamers say "yes yes yes the game failed"....i feel bad for them.

 

Do you realise what you just said?

You begged them to delay the game but at least they admited there mistake by giving all players TWO FUCKING extra days???

So your saying they needed to delay the game by two days?????

You fanbois are hilarious.

 

Are you so quick to troll that you dont bother to read?

You really read my post as me implying they needed to delay by two days?  Yea the fans are the hilarious ones...what are you doing here again?

The fact that they are giving us 3 (why do trolls always change numbers to make their arguement sound more legit...maybe cause they know they are trolling) days just like WoW did on their botched release is them saying that they messed up and giving us something for it...obviously an extra day or two wouldnt have changed this release...they needed a new billing system all together.

Playing Devil's advocate here:
 

I think what he meant was that you begged for a delay as the game was not ready and needed more development time. They gave you two days to compensate for the launch problem but if they still needed time to develop, so what does two days really get you? two extra days of problems because the game was not ready for release.

At least that is how I took it.

Anyway, I hope it sorts out because I am tired of seeing the fans of the MMO genre being constantly dissapointed by bad launches and games being released before they are ready.

 

Exactly how i took it aswell.  I find it funny how all the fanboys go after his typo's instead of understanding the post.

Originally posted by Signe

Good Grief, imbant.  You seemed completely obssessed with "haters" and "trolls" and "skeptics"  You can't simply say, "We get three days of compensation. (or whatever the latest news is)  Yay!", you have to bring up trolls again and again.  You even anticipate what a "troll" might say before they've even seen it. let alone respond, like some fortune teller.  You have post after post doing it, too.  What is up with that?

perhaps it has to do with hate.

Originally posted by Mcpoopypants

Originally posted by gnlLucid

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by gnlLucid

Originally posted by gnlLucid

Originally posted by imbant

As a beta tester, i was one of many who saw this launch coming.  We begged them to delay and get it sorted out, and you better believe I am very upset with them for messing this up....they made a huge noob move and look pretty bad.

BUT

Just like WoW...they are admitting their mistake...offering 3 days of free play for the 1 day of delay.  Does it excuse them not being ready?  of course not....but it does show that they know when they messed up.

 

Fact is...they have released the game, and the game is still amazing.  The fact that they are retarded with their billing system and ability to handle the flow is a seperate issue.

So sorry if you are claiming "the skeptic were right"...no you werent.  The game isnt vaporware, it released, and the game itself is still the best pvp mmo on the market right now in the fantasy setting....they just are absolutly retarded when it came to how they handled billing.

 

This was expected though, as the haters were going to say they were right now matter what happened, so of course they are getting wet over this....pretty sad when you see gamers say "yes yes yes the game failed"....i feel bad for them.

 

Only pre-orders can log in, no new account registrations will be activated until the server is "stable".  Hell not even all of the pre-orders are activated.  Thus, the game has not been released, just in paid closed beta.

 

 

Heres one you passed up.

 

Yea thats one that I would pass up to get to other posts...especially given your post history on this forum as pure trolling, although that one isnt bad.

The game is released....a bad release...but call it what it is.  It isnt closed beta...thats just strecthing and if you really want to bash df you can do better than that.

 

Ok fine, its released, can you link me to where I can buy it please?

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=2827440#post2827440
 

 

your welcome

got a link that works?  and why would you be purchasing a product thru a forum and not some type of ooooooooo secure CC thingie?

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Originally posted by imbant

 

Wait...haters are saying they were right?

 

I don't mean to derail this no doubt important discussion but I decided to make a list of some of the problems with this launch.

-Unstable servers? check (lol stress testing bots)

-People who should be able to log in now can't? check

-Pre-orders mess up? check

-People being charged the pre-order fee and still can't play? check

-People not being able to pre-order because their information is wrong (even when it's right)? check

-Exploiting guilds and players? check

-Buggy mobs who get stuck in water? lol check

-Amazing AI that runs through acid pools and dies? check

-syncing problems which were apparently fixed? check

-macroing? check

-speed hacks and other exploits? I'm not sure, I wish someone would try the G15 keyboard exploit and tell me if it works. possibly a check

Anything else I missed, feel free to add.

So... Were the haters right? Yes, yes I think they were.

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by miagisan

Fact is:

Aventurine claimed a rock solid stable client.

BUT:

And the server is lagging and crashing with JUST the preorder people...how much better do you think it will be when it goes out to the general public?

You're saying "just the pre order people" like that's somehow a small number. Also, I'm getting no reports of lag. I have crashed though, for the first time since January 22nd, which is odd. Servers are still runining either way. 

guess you're the exception to the rule?  how are those queues for logging in?  i mean, it was a limited release to avoid stress issues and queues, yes?

how many exactly are the pre-order people?  5,000? 10,000?  those are small numbers, super incredibly small.

but, not all games can be hardcore like say... solo carebearing in nullsec in eve... THAT is hardcore in ways you'll never understand until you're the one chilling in a hulk/mackinaw with nothing but some drones to protect ya AND a faction fit... i doubt darkfall will EVER be able to reach that level of hardcore!  and that isn't sarcasm, that is true hardcore.

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by TheGrue

It's premature to say what Darkfall is going to do one way or the other, there have been online games that were hailed by fans as the "best game ever" only to watch them close up shop, on the other hand there have been online games that have been plagued with "this game will fail" and are still up.

What is fact is that Darkfall had a VERY rough two days that every staff member didn't want to happen all the way down to the janitor and for whatever reason they released way too early, maybe they needed too..that is possible, maybe they thought it was ready...really though the only people that can answer that is the devs.

These problems is like a choice, well-cooked prime rib with mashed potatoes dripping with gravy and a ice cold beer to wash it down, trolls/skeptics are going to jump on it with the ravenous appetite of somebody who hasn't eaten in days, my suggestion for the true Darkfall fans out there is to learn to roll with the punches because if Darkfall is a success then the trolling will subside slowly, and if the game fails you probably won't be posting here anymore which will stop the trolling as well.

I cannot take the OP seriously because the topic isn't a discussion, it's troll-baiting at it's worst and his response to everybody with a different view breaks down to "quiet troll", people here who have given polite (with a touch of abrasive/sarcasm in some) replies that touch on the problem that are going on now is met with the same.

Baiting a subject then proceeding to troll the trollers makes you a troll as well OP, and no you're not fighting some good fight but instead are eager and willing to show exactly how far you're willing to stoop to somebody else's level to prove some type of point.

This was a bad way to start up a new online game in an industry that is saturated with them as it is, this is a fact and that's all that needs to be said.

 

 

Outstanding post.
 

i wonder how many people posting on this forum... wouldn't care enough about darkfall to even go TO this forum... EXCEPT for the incessant trolling of darkfall fans on many many many NON-darkfall forums the past 6+ months?

i seem to remember something about reaping...