Seriously, look at all the gameplay options this game gives you.

The freedom to do what you want.

Risk v reward for everything you do.

Amazing economy, a fully shaped gaming universe totally ran by the players.

The customization options within the game are mind boggling.

The graphics are second to none, they even kick the shit out of sci-fi space games that aren't even out yet!!!

When Corps (guilds) get thier ass kicked in this game, it isn't news on a game forum, the god damn BBC writes an article about it!!!!

The Devs give us constant updates and tweaks. 5+ years of game play and the game is as supported as any mmo that released this year.

Seriously while certain people may not like the sci-fi setting or the type of combat or risk the game holds it should still be respected for what it gives the players that actually play the game.

people that down right hate the game and say its the worst thing they ever played are insane.

Being a good or bad game is subjective, but to hate a game? I don't understand it.

 i don't realy hate it. :)

The problem is i don't realy wanna pay for this game. 

Originally posted by shadow417

 i don't realy hate it. :)

The problem is i don't realy wanna pay for this game. 

When you get really good at Eve its F2p

 Yeah i heard that you can change in-game money for play time code, But you need to do that with the community. thats smart but wierd 

Originally posted by shadow417

 Yeah i heard that you can change in-game money for play time code, But you need to do that with the community. thats smart but wierd 

Yeah players sell 30 day pilots license on the Market for 300 million isk.

A three month old player in a hulk mining strickly in high sec can make that isk in 10+ hours of farming a month easily.

Hell I farm isk for my pvp mains I havent paid for two accounts for 14 months.

 Can you spare me 300isk?. 

and i will be your slave 

Originally posted by shadow417

 Can you spare me 300isk?. 

 

and i will be your slave 

haha!

I'm Amarr I have enough slaves *Glances at minmatar female sex slaves*

Originally posted by Z3R01

Originally posted by shadow417

 Can you spare me 300isk?. 

 

and i will be your slave 

 

haha!

I'm Amarr I have enough slaves *Glances at minmatar female sex slaves*

 

Aaahhh comon. 

Originally posted by slask777

Originally posted by Z3R01

Seriously, look at all the gameplay options this game gives you.

The freedom to do what you want. Sandbox games are unpopular for a reason. Most people don't like them as they like to be guided towards whatever shiny is at the end. Eve not that sandboxy though. You still need to follow a somewhat set route to be successful in Eve. It got sandbox elements, but to call it a true sandbox game is a lie. Tell me what other MMO out there is a true sandbox and what a true sandbox is.

Risk v reward for everything you do.

Amazing economy, a fully shaped gaming universe totally ran by the players. No argument there. While it do the economy game quite ok, it's not automatically a good thing, or even a thing unique to Eve. Every bloody mmo got an economy of sorts, some more or less broken than the next one, Eve being no exception. Eves economy is broken ? How ? Besides, no other MMO out there has the economy like Eve.

The customization options within the game are mind boggling. As in what? A mind-numbing high number of skills? I don't exactly call that good customization. As an example, what do Signature Analysis and Signature Focusing has to do with shooting lasers at stuff in space? The massive list of skills actually work against this game, not for it and let me not start pointing out the way you gain skills in this game. Signature Analaysis does this and Signature Focusing does this. They have nothing do with firing lasers but to do with locking speed and the ability to use a specific module. Sorry that the game is too overwhelming for you.

The graphics are second to none, they even kick the shit out of sci-fi space games that aren't even out yet!!! Pfft! Glorified window-dressing. The graphics hardly tell you anything, as proven that everything you do, you gotten done from selecting them from lists and context menus. LOL , way to downtalk with nothing to back yourself up with. Sorry the game isnt just click a couple of buttons and collect epic loot.

When Corps (guilds) get thier ass kicked in this game, it isn't news on a game forum, the god damn BBC writes an article about it!!!! Link, or it didn't happen, unless it was a gaming show and if it was, then it's a given and nothing to write home about. Here is your link. Was already a thread about it.

The Devs give us constant updates and tweaks. 5+ years of game play and the game is as supported as any mmo that released this year. So what. Every mmo is supported with tweaks and patches now and then, even games older than Eve. Yeah tweaks and patches from other MMOs, not full on expansions for FREE.

 

Seriously while certain people may not like the sci-fi setting or the type of combat or risk the game holds it should still be respected for what it gives the players that actually play the game. Ok, fair point. Well over 200k subscribers do like this game and what it's offering and the game seems to be growing, slowly but steadily. This is correct. The only mmo besides WoW that has steadily increased numbers every year since launch.

people that down right hate the game and say its the worst thing they ever played are insane. Oh, so since I don't like this game at all, and think the community this game harbors is a bunch of knee-capping jerks, I'm insane? Oh well, I rather be insane, than a navel-gazing asshole. And we're the knee capping jerks ? You're just an asshole because of what you say and not because you don't like Eve.

Being a good or bad game is subjective, but to hate a game? I don't understand it.

 

Ok, I'm bored and wanted to troll a little and this thread seemed like a good target

Ok, I'm bored so i'll bite.

I hope this feeds your poor hungry little troll belly now go back under your rock.

Uuuh, trolls are never satiated.  He'll be back, I guarantee it!

Originally posted by slask777

Originally posted by Z3R01

Seriously, look at all the gameplay options this game gives you.

The freedom to do what you want. Sandbox games are unpopular for a reason. Most people don't like them as they like to be guided towards whatever shiny is at the end. Eve not that sandboxy though. You still need to follow a somewhat set route to be successful in Eve. It got sandbox elements, but to call it a true sandbox game is a lie.

Risk v reward for everything you do.

Amazing economy, a fully shaped gaming universe totally ran by the players. No argument there. While it do the economy game quite ok, it's not automatically a good thing, or even a thing unique to Eve. Every bloody mmo got an economy of sorts, some more or less broken than the next one, Eve being no exception.

The customization options within the game are mind boggling. As in what? A mind-numbing high number of skills? I don't exactly call that good customization. As an example, what do Signature Analysis and Signature Focusing has to do with shooting lasers at stuff in space? The massive list of skills actually work against this game, not for it and let me not start pointing out the way you gain skills in this game.

The graphics are second to none, they even kick the shit out of sci-fi space games that aren't even out yet!!! Pfft! Glorified window-dressing. The graphics hardly tell you anything, as proven that everything you do, you gotten done from selecting them from lists and context menus.

When Corps (guilds) get thier ass kicked in this game, it isn't news on a game forum, the god damn BBC writes an article about it!!!! Link, or it didn't happen, unless it was a gaming show and if it was, then it's a given and nothing to write home about.

The Devs give us constant updates and tweaks. 5+ years of game play and the game is as supported as any mmo that released this year. So what. Every mmo is supported with tweaks and patches now and then, even games older than Eve.

 

Seriously while certain people may not like the sci-fi setting or the type of combat or risk the game holds it should still be respected for what it gives the players that actually play the game. Ok, fair point. Well over 200k subscribers do like this game and what it's offering and the game seems to be growing, slowly but steadily.

people that down right hate the game and say its the worst thing they ever played are insane. Oh, so since I don't like this game at all, and think the community this game harbors is a bunch of knee-capping jerks, I'm insane? Oh well, I rather be insane, than a navel-gazing asshole.

Being a good or bad game is subjective, but to hate a game? I don't understand it.

 

Ok, I'm bored and wanted to troll a little and this thread seemed like a good target

Yippee, Slask the EVE-troll is back! You know Slask, if you spent half as much time playing a game - any game - as you do trolling this forum you might actually have a little fun someday. We do get it Slask, really we do - you didn't like the game. We're fine with that, why aren't you?

Eve is cool and a great game , just not the game for me. I can see why so many people like it.

yay! I caught a troll!

A really bad troll, first line typed was an attack saying Eve isn't a real sandbox?

Seriously I expect better from Eve online trolls lol

Well, I don't care for EVE all that much, and I'll try to explain why and try not to sound like a troll.

Sandboxes are fun, but I have a short attention span unless I have something specific to do. Yes, that's kind of sad, but it's a reason.

Combat, while it's stakes are high, isn't all that interesting to participate in simply because (In my opinon) it's not all that fun to watch ships fly in circles and shoot missles at each other.

Time based leveling? Thanks for screwing over the new guy. Though I suppose if you make some allies early it won't really be all that much of a problem that you start out near defenseless in an almost completely PVP oriented game.

So yeah... I don't care for it much, but I can most definetely see why people would like it.

Originally posted by gringemore

Eve is cool and a great game , just not the game for me. I can see why so many people like it.

My brother is the same way, he thinks it's a good game just not the setting he prefers.

I seriously don't know one person that wouldn't want the freedom or gameplay options CCP gives its players but in a setting more to thier liking.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

Nuff said.

You may now begin with the "omfg troll!!!eleventyones" 

Originally posted by TheGrue

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

Nuff said.

You may now begin with the "omfg troll!!!eleventyones" 

LOL gimme a break that dude is a comedian (a very funny guy actually).

If you take anything he says about videogames seriously I really don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by Kurai3

Well, I don't care for EVE all that much, and I'll try to explain why and try not to sound like a troll.

 

Sandboxes are fun, but I have a short attention span unless I have something specific to do. Yes, that's kind of sad, but it's a reason.

 

Combat, while it's stakes are high, isn't all that interesting to participate in simply because (In my opinon) it's not all that fun to watch ships fly in circles and shoot missles at each other.

 

Time based leveling? Thanks for screwing over the new guy. Though I suppose if you make some allies early it won't really be all that much of a problem that you start out near defenseless in an almost completely PVP oriented game.

 

So yeah... I don't care for it much, but I can most definetely see why people would like it.

See now this is a legitimate way to say you don't like something. He's not slamming Eve at all, but merely pointing out what he doesn't like and why. I can see why you wouldn't like Eve if you have a short attention span. Combat can be more involved than just circling each other but that is how a lot of people fly.

I don't agree with your statement about the skill training system screwing over new people at all though. It's a topic thats been discussed to death in these forums already.

I think the two biggest reasons people come to actually "hate" Eve are the lack of percievable forward progress and the death mechanic.

1) 90% of all MMOs now and in history, you can simply log in and do an hours work of work and see a definitive progress.  Your progress in the game is directly reflected by the time you spend in the game.  Eve, with the skill requirement, often makes it hard for initial players to get that feeling of accomplishment.  Likewise, more established players often come to hate Eve because they reach a point where most of their progress is defined only in small % increases from a Level 1 to Level 2 skill.

2) The all or nothing death mechanic causes a lot of people to outright hate Eve (I don't personally hate Eve but I don't play Eve because of it).  Despite being a fan of PvP, the amount of time required to effectively prepare for or recover from, a failed PvP fight is not equivelent (or lesser than) the enjoyment I get out of the fight itself.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Originally posted by TheGrue

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

Nuff said.

You may now begin with the "omfg troll!!!eleventyones" 

 

LOL gimme a break that dude is a comedian (a very funny guy actually).

If you take anything he says about videogames seriously I really don't know what to tell you.

  I do when he talks about EvE

While I will agree on most of your points, none of them are particulary game making or unique to EVE.  I am currently playing EVE, and being someone who is very cautious when it comes to RISK vs Reward I don't PvP unless I am drawn into it with my corp.  I don't sit in low sec space just waiting to gank someon.  Instead I do my thing, support the economy and grow stronger so that I can someday go to Low Sec and help out.  Now honestly I have tried this game 3 times before this run, and played it for about 2-3 months each time.  I am pushing my 3rd month on this round and although the game is still a bit interesting, I can feel the boredom starting to take over.  The monotony of doing Level 3 missions, the monotony of scanning out people or belts or plexs, Lets not talk about the mining or production of things.  The skill system although unique in the way you can train skills is by far not ground breaking and definatly not the best I have saw.  Instead I find it one of the biggest annoyances of the game.

Now please remember that again i don't "Hate" Eve it has its place among the MMO crowd.  It has done well it is I just think that in the long run this game is not for me.

A game that is for me, well in that case there is only one that I truely enjoyed playing, and that kept me interested for a VERY long time 4 years I think.  Asheron's Call, yes a game that is 10+ years old.  Its graphics are one of the only things that are lacking in my opinion, that and Botting.  AC's Skill and attribute system were by far the best of any game out there even by todays standard.  Just the right amount of skills and the ability to raise them with experiance you make off of kills or by repeatedly useing those skills.  Quests that were unique, long and complex if you don't believe me look up the Lady Aerifall quest, or the Olthoi Queen quest.  A PvP system that was second to none, if you went RED and lived that life you were respected.  Corpse Looting was allowed but you didn't drop all of your stuff instead you dropped a set number of items that was decided by the computer, and those were supposed to be random.  A guild system that actually promoted someone to build a good guild.  Also MONTHLY updates and only 2 paid updates in 10 years, and finally a world full of Lore that is unique not just goblins, dwarfs, elves and humans.  Truely original game, and one that I am thinking I may go back to even though the graphics are not the best anymore, but it beats all the SHIAT that has being released in the last 5 years hands down.

Originally posted by zantax

While I will agree on most of your points, none of them are particulary game making or unique to EVE.  I am currently playing EVE, and being someone who is very cautious when it comes to RISK vs Reward I don't PvP unless I am drawn into it with my corp.  I don't sit in low sec space just waiting to gank someon.  Instead I do my thing, support the economy and grow stronger so that I can someday go to Low Sec and help out.  Now honestly I have tried this game 3 times before this run, and played it for about 2-3 months each time.  I am pushing my 3rd month on this round and although the game is still a bit interesting, I can feel the boredom starting to take over.  The monotony of doing Level 3 missions, the monotony of scanning out people or belts or plexs, Lets not talk about the mining or production of things.  The skill system although unique in the way you can train skills is by far not ground breaking and definatly not the best I have saw.  Instead I find it one of the biggest annoyances of the game.

Now please remember that again i don't "Hate" Eve it has its place among the MMO crowd.  It has done well it is I just think that in the long run this game is not for me.

A game that is for me, well in that case there is only one that I truely enjoyed playing, and that kept me interested for a VERY long time 4 years I think.  Asheron's Call, yes a game that is 10+ years old.  Its graphics are one of the only things that are lacking in my opinion, that and Botting.  AC's Skill and attribute system were by far the best of any game out there even by todays standard.  Just the right amount of skills and the ability to raise them with experiance you make off of kills or by repeatedly useing those skills.  Quests that were unique, long and complex if you don't believe me look up the Lady Aerifall quest, or the Olthoi Queen quest.  A PvP system that was second to none, if you went RED and lived that life you were respected.  Corpse Looting was allowed but you didn't drop all of your stuff instead you dropped a set number of items that was decided by the computer, and those were supposed to be random.  A guild system that actually promoted someone to build a good guild.  Also MONTHLY updates and only 2 paid updates in 10 years, and finally a world full of Lore that is unique not just goblins, dwarfs, elves and humans.  Truely original game, and one that I am thinking I may go back to even though the graphics are not the best anymore, but it beats all the SHIAT that has being released in the last 5 years hands down.

See I like posts like this.

While Eve may not be for you atleast we can have a civil conversation about the game.

With players that just pull the "Eve suxz Ass , it's da worz game eva" I can't even conversate with these people.  the straight up ignorance and lack of respect for a product trying to be different kills me.

Also I enjoyed AC, very good game and would kill for graphics/ UI and animations update.

I *want* to like EVE. I really do. I've burned through about a dozen trials trying to 'click', but it never happens. For what it's worth, here's why.

Yes, the game itself is beautiful. Absolutely stunning on my machine. But not having an actual avatar in-game kills any kind of 'that's me' feeling I get when I play other games. Maybe that will change when walking in stations comes out...

The whole sandbox thing is a dual-edged sword. Yay, I can do anything... now what?

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but travel time is ridiculous. Spend ten minutes auto-piloting to spend two minutes zapping bad guys, then schlep all the way back again? Please tell me I'm doing it wrong.

I agree with Zantax, very well put.

The bottom line folks is that not everybody likes the same thing and they're intitled to dislike or even hate it if they choose too, that's the way the industry is,it's been going on back when Atari and Commodore were the big boys on the block and Nintendo was still a sticker/playing card company...it's not going to change,

I'm totally certain that there are people on this earth who cannot stand The Godfather for any number of reasons, too long, to gritty, bad acting, whatever and that's their choice, let them dislike whatever they want and like whatever you want...life moves around alot easier that way.

Don't understand the hate? hell i do, it's the nature of the beast...simple.

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Originally posted by ZsasZ

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but travel time is ridiculous. Spend ten minutes auto-piloting to spend two minutes zapping bad guys, then schlep all the way back again? Please tell me I'm doing it wrong.

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you're doing it wrong

do not use auto pilot, ever. (OK. 22 jumps through high sec with an empty hauler is something that can be done while AFK)

Warp to zero cuts down on a lot of travel time. Also don't accept mission from agents that are greater than 2 jumps away. Farm some agents and know you can reject a mission every 4hours and not loose any standings.