Originally posted by Mystik86

Originally posted by kasta

 Well, some people call it a "staged release".  I see it as a "pay to beta".  Different strokes.  Pre-orders sold out?  I guess the have enough paid beta testers to keep the lights on.

 

Right now it's the best they can really hope for. I consider a lot of now very popular games to have been "pay to betas" when they released.

This is the same point I was about to make.  The state of the game, from what I have read and seen in video's seems to be on par with other major MMORPG releases, if not better.  The game is obviously playable and has the core features in.  I would rather play the game now and let them patch in the features that were left out down the road.  Imagine, how this forum would look right now if the game was delayed another six months. 

I think that they are in a very tough position, but from everything that has happened, I still beleive they are trying as hard as possible to satisfy the consumers on the game without the games server crashing and being overloaded.

Keep in mind that these guys are still trying to run a business and make money.

Originally posted by Andurin

 

This is the same point I was about to make.  The state of the game, from what I have read and seen in video's seems to be on par with other major MMORPG releases, if not better.  The game is obviously playable and has the core features in.  I would rather play the game now and let them patch in the features that were left out down the road.  Imagine, how this forum would look right now if the game was delayed another six months. 

I think that they are in a very tough position, but from everything that has happened, I still beleive they are trying as hard as possible to satisfy the consumers on the game without the games server crashing and being overloaded.

Keep in mind that these guys are still trying to run a business and make money.

Only problem is people seem to think that because they are still a business that needs to make money they are evil and corrupt. You have to remember these guys have to feed the kids and pay the bills too.

Originally posted by kasta

 Well, some people call it a "staged release".  I see it as a "pay to beta".  Different strokes.  Pre-orders sold out?  I guess the have enough paying beta testers to keep the lights on.

You are right, it is a staged release but more than that it's a controlled release. They have not run out of pre-order and they knew how many people wanted in. Remember Tasos excuse on why they went back on their word about everyone can try the game before they buy?

So this tells you that 4 months ago they knew a lot of people would be interested but they still conviently ran out of pre orders..yeah right. There will only be one server come tomorrow and this server has not been stress tested at all.

They were 2.5k people in beta on a server that could hold 10k yet they never tested it?

They really don't know if the server can handle the 10k that tasos says it can.We already know that any PVP involing more than forty people is a lag fests and this 200v200 number that tasos has thrown about is BS. None one in beta has tested the server properly,that's why they say they have had great ping and no lag,it's because Tasos and crew have controlled the number.

The last thing they want is 100k people crashing servers.It's a smart move to keep the desperate fanboys hanging on while they let people PAY TO TEST.

This will back fire though ..

Originally posted by Mystik86

Originally posted by Andurin

 

This is the same point I was about to make.  The state of the game, from what I have read and seen in video's seems to be on par with other major MMORPG releases, if not better.  The game is obviously playable and has the core features in.  I would rather play the game now and let them patch in the features that were left out down the road.  Imagine, how this forum would look right now if the game was delayed another six months. 

I think that they are in a very tough position, but from everything that has happened, I still beleive they are trying as hard as possible to satisfy the consumers on the game without the games server crashing and being overloaded.

Keep in mind that these guys are still trying to run a business and make money.

 

Only problem is people seem to think that because they are still a business that needs to make money they are evil and corrupt. You have to remember these guys have to feed the kids and pay the bills too.

Exactly. 

What it all boils down to for me is that these guys are no doubt passionate about the game.  I mean this game, to these guys is there life, there futures hinge on the success of this game.  They took a leap of faith, for a core niche group of gamers, to make a sandbox type of game thats like UO.  We have all been waiting for so long for a game like this, and adverturine was good enough to at least try. 

I consider myself a rational person and I have been frustrated at times with how things have gone as well but let's just remember, that these guys want nothing more in the world for this game to do well.

The way they are handling the release, even though it is frustrating for some of us to wait is just more evidence. 

Originally posted by Trinitarian

It's a pity Aventurine couldn't find an investor willing to pump more dollars in to their project. It makes you wonder why they couldn't find one. Curious.

Because after all the failed so called AAA MMORPG's these last years, the MMO market is completely screwed up.

Add the global economic crisis to it and you got your answer.

Just have a look at The Cronicles of Spellborn. An actually decent game with good gameplay, nice designed world, nice mob AI, decent quests and dungeons and with both PVE/PVP and FFA PVP server models. They had even build up quite a large fanbase over the years as well.

And then they screwed themselves over with the most horrendous publisher deal ever that basically killed the game off before it was even released.

Investors are not so eager anymore these days to just pump money in every hole they can find.

With Mortal and other like minded titles coming out with capacity to handle more users immediately will darkfall be able to keep people interested long enough while they expand their systems.

Darkfall isn't the only option out there for people who like sandbox.  Fallen earth also has a lot of the same ideas and features of darkfall.  I am curious how the flood of these PvP centric sandbox games make a go of it with each other. 

Perhaps the sandbox crowd will finally get the feast they have longed for with so many titles to choose from.  Anyways, stinks about the pre-order limits I sure hope they move quickly to capitalize on their marginal success before it fades away in the glory of the next big thing.

Fame is fleeting especially post launch.

Originally posted by Andurin

Originally posted by Mystik86

Originally posted by Andurin

 

This is the same point I was about to make.  The state of the game, from what I have read and seen in video's seems to be on par with other major MMORPG releases, if not better.  The game is obviously playable and has the core features in.  I would rather play the game now and let them patch in the features that were left out down the road.  Imagine, how this forum would look right now if the game was delayed another six months. 

I think that they are in a very tough position, but from everything that has happened, I still beleive they are trying as hard as possible to satisfy the consumers on the game without the games server crashing and being overloaded.

Keep in mind that these guys are still trying to run a business and make money.

 

Only problem is people seem to think that because they are still a business that needs to make money they are evil and corrupt. You have to remember these guys have to feed the kids and pay the bills too.

 

Exactly. 

What it all boils down to for me is that these guys are no doubt passionate about the game.  I mean this game, to these guys is there life, there futures hinge on the success of this game.  They took a leap of faith, for a core niche group of gamers, to make a sandbox type of game thats like UO.  We have all been waiting for so long for a game like this, and adverturine was good enough to at least try. 

I consider myself a rational person and I have been frustrated at times with how things have gone as well but let's just remember, that these guys want nothing more in the world for this game to do well.

The way they are handling the release, even though it is frustrating for some of us to wait is just more evidence. 

I really do wish them the best. I don't think they're bad guys at all. Anyone who can put together something playable and seemingly enjoyable like this deserves our gratitude and perhaps even our cash. I'm not saying it's right to just buy into everything you show an interest in but if it's something you know you're going to stick with, go for it, right?

I think we need more indie companies who cater to niche groups so that perhaps we could see the next evolution of MMOGs.

To address another issue right now I believe would have to be the volume of crappier MMOs out there. These shitty F2P MMOs are going to cause a mass collapse in the MMO industry pretty soon and it's really a bad thing to think about. It's going to break the entire foundation of MMOGs and all these companies are going to have to start over. I hope we see the "revolution of MMOGs" within the next 5 years because man we really need it.

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Trinitarian

It's a pity Aventurine couldn't find an investor willing to pump more dollars in to their project. It makes you wonder why they couldn't find one. Curious.

 

Because after all the failed so called AAA MMORPG's these last years, the MMO market is completely screwed up.

Add the global economic crisis to it and you got your answer.

The global economic crisis has only occurred within the last year, and that's a generous timeframe. How long has Darkfall been in development? A good part of the decade? Please, "global economic crisis" is a lame excuse.

Originally posted by sulk

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

 

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

 

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

 

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

Sorry to burst your bubble and bitch back at you. But you got what you deserved.

There have been plenty of warnings, plenty of REAL leaked video footage. Hence, even some decent objective Beta reviews.

So it was pretty much clear in what kind of state the game was in and what you could expect from it.

Yet you just ignored all that and followed the die hard fans like a sheep and pre-ordered. Find out the hard way. And now you come here bitch about it.

And on top of that. Plenty of us already had a good feeling Aventurine would pull a stunt like this to collect all pre-orders and your creditcard info and then quickly shutdown the site so people can't cancel. So there goes your cash! It was just too obvious that would happen!

Right. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by sulk

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

 

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

 

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

 

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

 

Sorry to burst your bubble and bitch back at you. But you got what you deserved.

There have been plenty of warnings, plenty of REAL leaked video footage. Hence, even some decent objective Beta reviews.

So it was pretty much clear in what kind of state the game was in and what you could expect from it.

Yet you just ignored all that and followed the die hard fans like a sheep and pre-ordered. Find out the hard way. And now you come here bitch about it.

And on top of that. Plenty of us already had a good feeling Aventurine would pull a stunt like this to collect all pre-orders and your creditcard info and then quickly shutdown the site so people can't cancel. So there goes your cash! It was just too obvious that would happen!

Right. Have a nice day.

I don't think any of us in this thread have said once that the game is perfect or by any means finished. It's playable and a lot more so than a lot of other games of the past. Give the guys a break and let them work on it, let them make it better. Stop fucking naysaying the bloody thing and move on.

Originally posted by sulk

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

 

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

 

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

 

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

Just tell the credit card company to do a charge back. Problem solved.
 

 Nm..

Originally posted by Mystik86

I think they're only keeping the one server and expanding it as necessary. This is in my opinion the best approach so they don't spread their users thin over a ton of servers. WAR made that mistake. WoW actually makes that mistake and regularly offer free transfers from full realms to the new (and unneeded) realms they open.

A single server is good anyways because the world will definitely feel alive with activity at all hours.

To the OP and the other dude: Relax, let's keep this constructive.

WoW make what mistake?  Too many or too few servers?  WoW servers are getting more and more crowded so they allow ppl the option to move to less crowded new servers, which typically fills up in weeks.  Its an option, and more option is always better than no option.

DF, I dunno, its not even available.  Right now DF offers no option, and to me that is more restrictive than WoW.  It does not matter a lot, as the server is not yet available, and till then, we do not know what is what.  You need to dis WoW based on a not yet tested and available game server for DF? you really have some twisted sense of humour.

A single server is a single server, how good can it be?  WoW have hundreds of servers, all fo them very active.  You do not need pool everyone into one server just to make it look active.  Do you mean to say there are just enough eager players to keep one server active?  You do not know that, nor do I.

DF might have only 1 server, but that does not mean it must be full.  When the initial hype is over, and the dust settles we will know.  Right now, you are making up all the assertions and assumptions and talking out of your head.  I am not dissing DF, I know nothing about what that has not yet happened.  But to have to dis WoW to try to sell DF, you are really thick.  If you need to dis WoW, come up with valid criticism, tons of them.  You picked the lease viable angle to criticize WoW.

Originally posted by Mystik86

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by sulk

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

 

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

 

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

 

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

 

Sorry to burst your bubble and bitch back at you. But you got what you deserved.

There have been plenty of warnings, plenty of REAL leaked video footage. Hence, even some decent objective Beta reviews.

So it was pretty much clear in what kind of state the game was in and what you could expect from it.

Yet you just ignored all that and followed the die hard fans like a sheep and pre-ordered. Find out the hard way. And now you come here bitch about it.

And on top of that. Plenty of us already had a good feeling Aventurine would pull a stunt like this to collect all pre-orders and your creditcard info and then quickly shutdown the site so people can't cancel. So there goes your cash! It was just too obvious that would happen!

Right. Have a nice day.

 

I don't think any of us in this thread have said once that the game is perfect or by any means finished. It's playable and a lot more so than a lot of other games of the past. Give the guys a break and let them work on it, let them make it better. Stop fucking naysaying the bloody thing and move on.

Did I quoted you? Did I react to any of you? No. Learn to read and see who I quoted and replyed to.

Originally posted by Mystik86

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by sulk

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

 

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

 

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

 

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

 

Sorry to burst your bubble and bitch back at you. But you got what you deserved.

There have been plenty of warnings, plenty of REAL leaked video footage. Hence, even some decent objective Beta reviews.

So it was pretty much clear in what kind of state the game was in and what you could expect from it.

Yet you just ignored all that and followed the die hard fans like a sheep and pre-ordered. Find out the hard way. And now you come here bitch about it.

And on top of that. Plenty of us already had a good feeling Aventurine would pull a stunt like this to collect all pre-orders and your creditcard info and then quickly shutdown the site so people can't cancel. So there goes your cash! It was just too obvious that would happen!

Right. Have a nice day.

 

I don't think any of us in this thread have said once that the game is perfect or by any means finished. It's playable and a lot more so than a lot of other games of the past. Give the guys a break and let them work on it, let them make it better. Stop fucking naysaying the bloody thing and move on.

You are deluding yourself if you think players are going to hang around for 6-2 years while they "make it better" get real. I bet within one month DF will be exposed for the sorry excuse of a game it really is. The Fanboys that pre-order and then come here and complain will get a lot of stick and deserve everything they get.

Stop making excuses for Tasos and crew..THE GAME HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER 8 YEARS...not 3-4 years.

Originally posted by Andurin

The amount of trolling in this game is monumental.  I just read a thread a couple time from mine with the following title:

 

Why are fanboi's saying the pre-orders are sold out?

Because they are sold out you tiny brained fucking moron.  They had a pre-set amount of people that they wanted to allow to pre-order the game, which was obviously 10k.  So the moron, trolling dip-shits are off again making pointless and idiotic posts about it. "LOLZ teh darkfallz server must have crashed, lol lol darkfall sucxz"

You idiots ever think that this was exactly what they wanted to do?  That maybe advurturine is trying to make the launch go as smoothly as possible?  I would rather wait a couple weeks, rather than buy the game and be frustrated out of my mind trying to log into the servers and not be able to get it.

I'll never understand the hate for this game.  I guess it comes from all the passionate fans out there that desperately want this game to succeed.  I guess since they are around, the counter-parts have to be there as well, that want nothing more than the game to fail.  I just don't understand why they won't go away.

To me, I have a lot of respect for these guys.  I know in the past they have made claims or whatever they haven't come true but what I do know, is that these guys are trying there hardest to satisfy a niche group of gamers that have been homeless since UO took the carebear plunge way back in the day.

I've never felt like Adverturine and company have tried to deceive anyone.  I think that they have sacrifised there lives and spent many many hours trying to develop this game for a small amount of niche gamers.  I don't think they ever intended for this game to be scrutinized and trolled to the extent it has. 

I would like to hear some of the reasons from the rest of you all, even the trolls on why this game is hated so much, why these trolls want the game to fail so badly. 

err i think it was 15k it hit 10k the other day

Originally posted by warpp

Originally posted by Mystik86

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by sulk

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

 

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

 

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

 

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

 

Sorry to burst your bubble and bitch back at you. But you got what you deserved.

There have been plenty of warnings, plenty of REAL leaked video footage. Hence, even some decent objective Beta reviews.

So it was pretty much clear in what kind of state the game was in and what you could expect from it.

Yet you just ignored all that and followed the die hard fans like a sheep and pre-ordered. Find out the hard way. And now you come here bitch about it.

And on top of that. Plenty of us already had a good feeling Aventurine would pull a stunt like this to collect all pre-orders and your creditcard info and then quickly shutdown the site so people can't cancel. So there goes your cash! It was just too obvious that would happen!

Right. Have a nice day.

 

I don't think any of us in this thread have said once that the game is perfect or by any means finished. It's playable and a lot more so than a lot of other games of the past. Give the guys a break and let them work on it, let them make it better. Stop fucking naysaying the bloody thing and move on.

You are deluding yourself if you think players are going to hang around for 6-2 years while they "make it better" get real. I bet within one month DF will be exposed for the sorry excuse of a game it really is. The Fanboys that pre-order and then come here and complain will get a lot of stick and deserve everything they get.

Stop making excuses for Tasos and crew..THE GAME HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER 8 YEARS...not 3-4 years.

actully the game we have know been in dev for 5-6 read tasos  interview not the last 1 the 1 before that  he says 5 or6  years cant recall atm. before that it was like 4-5 people in a basemeant  they had to redo alot of thing which they probly lost 2 years of time doing probly didnt scrpa everything but everything had to be redone and upgraded so please

Originally posted by warpp

Originally posted by Mystik86

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by sulk

I pre ordered the game earlier today and got a buddie to let me use his beta key anyway i get ingame and i find just how  clunky unpolished and horrid it is and i try to go to cancel my preorder and they shut that shit down so they are going to charge me for a game i will not play complete shit all i have to say on that

 

to all of you hopeing darkfall will the next big thing i will tell you it wont be im by no means picky but that was completely awful its far from what was promised  i hope darkfall lasts for those who enjoy it but i dont see it happening  the game is about as competently made as adventurines business practices

/rant off

 

i just bit*hed my 50+ dollars away

 

have a good night all and good luck with darkfall

its just not my cup of tea

 

Sorry to burst your bubble and bitch back at you. But you got what you deserved.

There have been plenty of warnings, plenty of REAL leaked video footage. Hence, even some decent objective Beta reviews.

So it was pretty much clear in what kind of state the game was in and what you could expect from it.

Yet you just ignored all that and followed the die hard fans like a sheep and pre-ordered. Find out the hard way. And now you come here bitch about it.

And on top of that. Plenty of us already had a good feeling Aventurine would pull a stunt like this to collect all pre-orders and your creditcard info and then quickly shutdown the site so people can't cancel. So there goes your cash! It was just too obvious that would happen!

Right. Have a nice day.

 

I don't think any of us in this thread have said once that the game is perfect or by any means finished. It's playable and a lot more so than a lot of other games of the past. Give the guys a break and let them work on it, let them make it better. Stop fucking naysaying the bloody thing and move on.

You are deluding yourself if you think players are going to hang around for 6-2 years while they "make it better" get real. I bet within one month DF will be exposed for the sorry excuse of a game it really is. The Fanboys that pre-order and then come here and complain will get a lot of stick and deserve everything they get.

Stop making excuses for Tasos and crew..THE GAME HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER 8 YEARS...not 3-4 years.

probly only take thema  few months to improve the game i bet it will be alot improved within the first month shit the game has improved ALOT since jan 22nd

Originally posted by downtoearth

actully the game we have know been in dev for 5-6 read tasos  interview not the last 1 the 1 before that  he says 5 or6  years cant recall atm

But then again... there are Claus interviews that say the game goes back to 2001. 

On their official forums the posts by Devs start in 2001. 

Everything dealing with the history of DarkFall has posts and interviews going back to 2001. 

Yes, Tasos has an interview that says development started in 2003.  Although he only started using the 2003 date in 2008-09.  Before that he was perfectly fine with using the 2001 date.  Not sure why he has decided to try and shave off a couple years.

Although if we believe Dev. started in 2003 that makes the announcements by Claus of Beta being ready by end of Sept. 2003, and launch to follow soon after seem a bit out of place. 

These announcements by Claus were well after the Razorwax - Aventurine merger, and after the move from Norway to Greece.  Tasos was part of team when Claus made those announcements.  So if we are to believe Tasos... they developed the game in less than a year?

So... in the end it boils down to who you believe.  Tasos or Claus.  Tasos is the only Dev. on the team that maintains the 2003 Dev. start date.  The rest are perfectly fine with stating that it's been an on-going development since 2001. 

In the end it doesn't really matter.  The game needs to speak for itself come the 25th.  3 years, 5 years, 10 years, 15 years...  all that won't matter in the end.   What will matter is if the game is what the Devs have said it is, and it's fans find it worth re-subscribing to.