Comparing a RvR game to a FFA PvP game is like comparing apples and oranges...generally two different customers.

Conserning Darkfall and ganking; yes Darkfall will have ganking but its so easily avoidable.  And so what if you get ganked once in awhile, whats the big deal? IF you like PvP you shouldnt concentrate whats bad about it, but rather concentrate on the good stuff like its brutally fun 95% of the time.

I will try Darkfall acouple of weeks after launch, and even if I dont like it, I will still applaud them for trying.

Given the history of the game & some of the comments by Beta testers, I think it's a little early to be considering Darkfall a threat to anything at present, especially since Aventurine don't have the hardware to support that many players from launch & are relying on new income to buy further equipment.

Good luck to them & if they succeed I will be impressed, but like many people I am still quite sceptical.

The only affect DF will have on WAR is that we'll see a decrease in self styled hardc0re gamerz for a while. Not for long though as they'll realise that when everyone else is uber hardcore too, you're just average. They'll want to come back and lord it over us 'carebears' again. But I'll enjoy the break from badly 'spelled' posts and  'u sux l2p' coments while it lasts.

Originally posted by ougarit

I'm not talking about gameplay. 

But don't expect too much from DFO...you need a lot of players to play MMORPGS.

 

I'm personally sick of unfinished, bugged, unpolished and unprofessional mmorpgs. No more payment for alpha or beta testing.

I guess newly released MMORPG's aren't for you, eh? ;)

Originally posted by Yamota

I hear some people saying that the release of Darkfall will affect the numbers playing WAR but after talking with people in beta I strongly doubt it.

Basically Darkfall is geared to be a ganking game where you drop everything when you get ganked (they even call the spell when u loot someone for "ganking") and also they have made it intentionally hard to circle the camera around and look behind you. Just so it will be easier to gank.

So the game, beside being full of bugs, is catered solely towards the hardcore gankers and I really am thankful WAR eliminated the need of ganking by having an easily accessable PvP system (=scenarios).

PS. Not saying WAR is perfect but as a PvP game it is much better implemented than Darkfall which is a 100% ganking game.

That's of course, if you expect the game to actually be up and working at all.

Originally posted by GeniusSage

Originally posted by ougarit

DOF won't be an issue for War because it's unprofessional. Even the launch is catastrophic, I know DFO fans who can't have a copy or even see the accoun'ts page, and trying to PAY since 2 days. page is down since 2 days, this is not a preorder lol because were at release... Only and order.

war is boring imo, but it's a professional product sold by professionals.
DFO is far from beeing a profesional product.

Sad to say but I think PVPers only have old games to play : Eve, DAOC .

 

 

I've been a PC gamer long enough to realise that 'professional' doesn't equate to FUN. Aventurine can be classed as indie developers. I'm personally sick of polished, pretty MMO's that force you down a certain pathway. I've been in DF beta since last year and have had more fun than I've had in any game since UO. Because of this, I'll be playing DF at release, and I wish Aventurine all the best.

Did you rush from DF forum to over here to tell us this? You act if DF is your last hope.Are you one those who type its the Best Game I've Ever Played?So you are sick of "Polished" games are you? I do hope DF Is very "UnPolished" for you and the path you take will be a "waste of time" to get there.

lol you're pathetic everyone have different taste in games.

As for darkfall it's my kind of game no crappy gamepaly like WAR or WOW WAR and WOW have same gameplay as any f2p mmo out there. Darkfall have fps gameplay which makes it special from other games it's no auto click crap like WAR.

Action is what we all want in a game and that's what darkfall have. WAR is dead on action rofl you don't laugh or anything. Fps games always makes you wanna laugh at funny deaths or something else that is funny in mmorpgs you never laugh unless somebody does a joke rofl it's really dead on mmorpgs.

Darkfall open pvp is what makes the game more special optional pvp is just bullshit darkfall is about freedom and reality mostly if you take away fantasy part it really is reality based. Plus losing your stuff isn't so bad since monsters gives you more than you need. Ppl complain on the looting system because they dunno that monsters gives so damn much to fill up to much of your inventory. Kill a monster bam you got everything you need that you lost. Ofcourse if you upgraded armour to bad but just start over run away from fights if they try to kill you enough said.

It don't take 3 sec to kill you if 8 ppl attack you and your same lvl it takes about 20 sec maybe and if you run maybe 3min unless their good aimers with bow and magic.

Stop talking crap about the game when you havn't played it and that's all i have to say cause it's all true and that's what makes the game good :) that's why it have so many fans

Originally posted by Chimps

lol you're pathetic everyone have different taste in games.

As for darkfall it's my kind of game no crappy gamepaly like WAR or WOW WAR and WOW have same gameplay as any f2p mmo out there. Darkfall have fps gameplay which makes it special from other games it's no auto click crap like WAR.

Action is what we all want in a game and that's what darkfall have. WAR is dead on action rofl you don't laugh or anything. Fps games always makes you wanna laugh at funny deaths or something else that is funny in mmorpgs you never laugh unless somebody does a joke rofl it's really dead on mmorpgs.

Darkfall open pvp is what makes the game more special optional pvp is just bullshit darkfall is about freedom and reality mostly if you take away fantasy part it really is reality based. Plus losing your stuff isn't so bad since monsters gives you more than you need. Ppl complain on the looting system because they dunno that monsters gives so damn much to fill up to much of your inventory. Kill a monster bam you got everything you need that you lost. Ofcourse if you upgraded armour to bad but just start over run away from fights if they try to kill you enough said.

It don't take 3 sec to kill you if 8 ppl attack you and your same lvl it takes about 20 sec maybe and if you run maybe 3min unless their good aimers with bow and magic.

Stop talking crap about the game when you havn't played it and that's all i have to say cause it's all true and that's what makes the game good :) that's why it have so many fans

You haven't played WAR, me thinks. I'm just gonna color something in your post red and point out how you dig your own hole there.

Originally posted by BesCirga

Comparing a RvR game to a FFA PvP game is like comparing apples and oranges...generally two different customers.

You can play FFA PVP on these games :

- PVE game (YEAH PVE): VANGUARD. You can play on Sartok, it's a FFA PVP server. It's not a pvp game

-RVR game: DAOC: DAOC has/had FFA server called Camlann. It's a RVR game, the best RvR game in the market.

 You can play FFA on PVE and RvR games.

FFA means NOTHING. It only means you can kill all players, no more no less.  Most of time, FFA servers DIES quickly.   FFA mode is not enough to keep real players online. 

FFA means Free for All. You can play in FFA mode in a PVE (yeah lol) a Pve game. 

If you like FFA, you'd better play Vangyard because this game has great features: Diplomacy, and craft. In Sartok, you can play FFA if you like it. You don't have FL but you'll have corpse run. Corpse run + Dungeon + FFA in Vanguard is really HARDCORE.

 If you're looking for something INTERESTING, made by a small cy, wait for Mount and blade/addon/Multiplayer. Small cy but PROFESSIONAL product.

Darkfall will not affect Warhammer because to be frant...unless you keep up with it here or on the main site itself, how are you even gonna know about it? 

Here in the US, you won't see the box on the shelf, the game wil not be reviewed by any magazine so how are people gonna know about it?

Word of mouth? who are the "hard core" pvp's gonna tell? other online friends? convience them to come over and look at the game and pay $50 and $18 per month? No way.

TIME WARP 6 MONTHS FROM NOW

Tasos has built up some $$$ from subs, maybe even decided on a big name publisher, things are looking good, patches fix bugs, some pve added.

He puts it in retail boxes in EU, make more $$ and put boxes on shelves in US

THEN you got people trying the game and canceling subs from other games, even warhammer.

NOW, how I got all this information is by looking into a crystal ball I found, and reading Tasos' palm

Ummmm WotLK already owned this game hardcore.

Of course DF wont be a issue theres nothing left of WAR to have an issue with.

Originally posted by Z3R01

Ummmm WotLK already owned this game hardcore.

Of course DF wont be a issue theres nothing left of WAR to have an issue with.

 

Ouch, lol... so sad but true 

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by sgel

Maybe you should talk to people who actually play the beta (like me) instead of listening to morons.

Yeah people who doesnt agree with me are morons. Typical response from a cool/lewt dude. They say they are in beta and say its full of bugs, you say you are in beta and say it isnt. Considering they didnt call people who dont agree with them for morons I think I will listen to them

The game is ridicoulously more PvP oriented than WAR... it's not a safe environment and there's penalties when you give someone else a kill.... i.e. you lose all your belongings (except for the things in your bank).... which is basicaly the purest form of PvP.... reality works like this...

Purest forms of PvP? No, its the purest forms of griefing/ganking. PvP means player versus player, it in no way says that the loser should lose everything. It is like saying a boxing match to the death is the purest form of boxing. No it isnt, it is the most savage form of boxing.

Ganking isn't a spell as you call it (lol)... it's a maneuver you perform when you incapasitate someone... you can choose to leave them be, revive them or gank them and take their stuff.
Doesn't that sound better than just letting them respawn ?... how is that pure PvP?... where is my satisfaction?... where is the actual penalty so I care if I die?...

The satisfaction is in competing against players and not AI, not a sadistic satisfaction knowing that the people you die will lose everything they got.

WHAT the hell is the point in killing people if they respawn exactly the same as before?...

Oh I dunno, maybe because you have other objectives for killing people than causing them grief?

and I'm not even going to go into the whole skill discussion.
Watch some proper Darkfall PvP videos and compare them to WoW/WAR/ and all other EQ clones...

Oh and I just realized you like Scenarios.... ... but I guess that's fine if you like other people to tell you how to play a game instead of having complete freedom.

Let me finish that sentance for you: instead of having complete freedom to grief people.

Again this has nothing to do with PvP but rather that you want to have the freedom to grief people. That is a whole different thing entirely. Again calling people who doesnt enjoy the same things as you for a Nut Job. This is again typicaly griefer/ganker mentality and which you will find plenty of in Darkfall.

The thing is you really dont want PvP, you want to degreade and grief people because that somehow makes you feel better. That is what Darkfall is about, allowing to put the maximum grief on other people you defeat.

Darkfall will get players from WAR... but don't worry... the carebears will still remain in your beloved scenarios... enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

 Carebear was a term used for people who like PvE, not for people who like PvP without the grief element. In WAR, on O-RvR servers, you can attack and kill someone pretty much everywhere (beside in cities/warcamps and sometimes even in cities) the difference is that you cant grief people since they wont lose much when dying.

So again, just because you like griefing does not make more of a PvPer than me. I have played MMORPGs since the launch of UO and I have always picked PvP centered MMORPGs where Asheron Call on Darktide was my favourite.

What make that game great, and Darkfall rubbish, is that on Darktide server there was some balance. On death you only dropped a set of items, not all, and some quest items were undroppable and combine that with the radar that the game had, which allowed you to spot if someone was about to gank you, that created a balanced game where PvP was unrestricted yet it was manageable since you didnt lose everything.

WARs death penalties are way too light and Darkfalls way too heavy but since I play games to enjoy myself and I dont enjoy myself when griefing people, or get griefed by other people, then I will pick WAR over Darkfall anytime.

Btw I can bet that you PvP alot more in WAR than in Darkfall since in WAR you can advance your character solely through PvP (again scenarios that you hate so much). In Darkfall you repeteadly use a skill to level it which probably means most people will do AFK macroing. Thats pure PvP for you!

 

His post pretty much sums up why only gankers will like the game. Underlined the interesting parts.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Magmus_DF

Originally posted by Z3R01

Ummmm WotLK already owned this game hardcore.

Of course DF wont be a issue theres nothing left of WAR to have an issue with.

 

 

Ouch, lol... so sad but true 

And im not even a WoW fan and I could see that easily as a third party watching the fight.

WAR v WoW was like Watching a MMA match

WoW being Fedor and WAR being a under nurished midget.

Edit: If you don't know who fedor is hes basically the most dangerous man on the planet where MMA is concerned 27-1 and his only loss was to stoppage due to a bad cut from a crappy misplaced elbow, fador wasn't even hurt.

I heard of Fedor but Fador is new to me

Originally posted by Pheace

I heard of Fedor but Fador is new to me

LOL!!! typo

Look hes so awesome He pwn'd my spelling.

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Originally posted by Yamota

So the game, beside being full of bugs,

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2/16/09:

(Warhammer) Producer's notes

Well here it is; The Public Test Patch Notes for Game Update 1.2. Many hours of blood, sweat and tears went into these notes, and it shows. From the sheer size (over 55 pages!) to the numerous improvements being implemented, it's all been a labor of love (or was that WAAAGH!). In the notes below you'll see over 500 bug fixes, 10 plus pages of career balancing, numerous RvR improvements, UI improvements, continued building on our success with improving performance and server stability and a considerable review of our dungeon loot itemization. While these notes are still technically a "work in progress" they represent the majority of the changes that will be implemented with Game Update 1.2. Please keep in mind, these notes are for the public test server and can change periodically throughout the Public Testing Process.
As always, thank you to our Players for their continued support.

Jeff Hickman
Executive Producer

Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning.

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Just curious OP...

WHICH game are you talking about again?

This particular game has been out since September and 9 days ago, they announce they had 500 bugs after working on it non-stop for four months and after an extensive beta trial.

Makes you shudder to think how many were in the game with one of the "smoothest launches ever". (Or how many are still left crawling around in there)

/sprays Raid on keyboard

Originally posted by ougarit

Originally posted by BesCirga

Comparing a RvR game to a FFA PvP game is like comparing apples and oranges...generally two different customers.

You can play FFA PVP on these games :

- PVE game (YEAH PVE): VANGUARD. You can play on Sartok, it's a FFA PVP server. It's not a pvp game

-RVR game: DAOC: DAOC has/had FFA server called Camlann. It's a RVR game, the best RvR game in the market.

 You can play FFA on PVE and RvR games.

FFA means NOTHING. It only means you can kill all players, no more no less.  Most of time, FFA servers DIES quickly.   FFA mode is not enough to keep real players online. 

FFA means Free for All. You can play in FFA mode in a PVE (yeah lol) a Pve game. 

Hehe Yes, I know there are FFA PvP servers on many PvE games, but that doesnt mean its a FFA PvP game though. PvE games are built for PvE and their PvP suffer for it.

If you like FFA, you'd better play Vangyard because this game has great features: Diplomacy, and craft. In Sartok, you can play FFA if you like it. You don't have FL but you'll have corpse run. Corpse run + Dungeon + FFA in Vanguard is really HARDCORE.

I played Vanguard for a year; as a PvE game its very good, as a PvP game (on Sartok) its plain awful. I wouldnt recommend Sartok to anyone who likes PvP. 

 If you're looking for something INTERESTING, made by a small cy, wait for Mount and blade/addon/Multiplayer. Small cy but PROFESSIONAL product.

"Yeah people who doesnt agree with me are morons."
Hahaha. Thanks for making me laugh Yamota ;)

Epic quote.

well WAR is more of an arcade shooter than a mmorpg.

darkfall is the real stuff. i played beta for more than a month and i must say its impressing, never seen a game like this.

WAR and AoC are instable bugfests with no game content, compared to darkfall.

i wouldnt say darkfall is the perfect game, but alot better than any other game out there for sure.