It would be the eternal secound, no matter what it ventured in to and did, it would end up in secound place. Because it does not want to be the best, it just likes to compete. And everyone likes it (myself I hate it, but it's a good game i must admit). But, if you played 10 diffrent matches with World of Warcraft and 9 other people. Each of those people would win one match,  and World of Warcraft would come out with the overall best score but no victories.

This is why World of Warcraft will never come first the the MMORPG game ranking, and this is why it will allways be beat by those who focus their efforts on perfecting what they are good at.

That WoW is rated below so many other MMORPGs is a symptom of hysterical negativity towards a well known and mainstream title, not an indication of it's quality.  To measure such a thing as quality (which can only be marginally indicative anyway) you have to consider all opinions and reviews and not just a tiny community such as this one.

As the poster above mentioned, 600 votes in a site as fiercely devoted to hating WoW such as ths one is indicative of absolutely nothing at all.  600?  Pah.  There are more game developers in the world playing WoW than that.

So to compare WoW to an athlete?  WoW has already won every medal out there except for the gold medal for 'Pleasing people that cannot be pleased'.  Nothing else comes even remotely close to the fluidty and well designed control.  Blizzard were already considered masters of their craft before WoW and their reptuation has only grown with WoW, meaning their next MMORPG will be the most anticipated game in the world ever.

For people who post topics like this one, attempting to downplay the deserved success of the game, I'm afraid you simply have your head in the sand. 

While you will find a huge negativty towards WoW on this site, I would argue that that negativity would exist without WoW and that WoW is simply the biggest target for vitriol nonsense.  

It is with small pity that I have witnessed a vicious circle of huge anticipation, followed by major disappointment and hostile negativity towards the games that gamers are actually playing.  These people are doomed to be perpetually miserable while deluding themselves that WoW is some kind of cheap throw-away crap while they discuss their "dream mmorpg" which will of course, dissapoint them again if it were ever released.

If I were to speculate, I would say most of the unhappy critics of WoW have never seen past the first few levels of the game (allowing hysteria from this site to deliver negative preconceptions), are pretending to have seen all the game has to offer ("my main is in full T7 gear I know what I'm talking about when I say this game is rubbish!" (several layers of irony there)) or are simply burned out after loving it for so long and have possibly allowed themselves to play it too much in unhealthy binges.

I come from an EQ background so it took several attempts for me to 'get' WoW and lose the pretentious attitude festered by 'veterans' (I used to think that long levels made things 'more difficult too').  I believe that because I finally overcome my own preconceptions of the game and actually just "went with it", that I have a unique perspective on the genre and haven't allowed other people to influence my opinions of it.

After all I was willing to cancel and try out Vanguard when that came out.  It is unfortunate that all the other games aren't as good, but they haven't had a developer like Blizzard behind them who were actual game developers, not cowboy outfits and server programmers like SOE whose prior game experience before MMORPGs were things like Tanarus and web mini-games.

When Bioware and Bethesda, experienced game developers come on board then we will finally see some quality.  Until then there's only one choice for the majority of gamers (and no choice the bitter minority who will never have a choice).

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Originally posted by Hufftoth
It would be the eternal secound, no matter what it ventured in to and did, it would end up in secound place. Because it does not want to be the best, it just likes to compete. And everyone likes it (myself I hate it, but it's a good game i must admit). But, if you played 10 diffrent matches with World of Warcraft and 9 other people. Each of those people would win one match,  and World of Warcraft would come out with the overall best score but no victories.
This is why World of Warcraft will never come first the the MMORPG game ranking, and this is why it will allways be beat by those who focus their efforts on perfecting what they are good at.

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Hehe, you got it wrong, WOW wouldn't be entered into single events.

WOW would be the gold medal modern decathalete. All the others would maybe win by a nose in their individual specialist events but WOW would take the gold with points gained doing well in all events across the board.

That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

lol "secound", second

and steroids. Only word needed to describe WoW as an athlete.

Originally posted by Quizzical

That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

If WoW was cheaper than other MMORPGs you might have a point. 

If it wasn't critically acclaimed you might have a point.

If it wasn't played by game developers who lavish praise on the game, you might have a point.

As it stands, you have no point :p  This is what happens when you regurgitate arguments from this Anti-WoW forum without thinking for yourself.

Because you have done this, you've betrayed your prejudice or simply a lack of ability to make a reasoned argument.  Either way, this isn't the attitude demonstrated by someone who knows their subject matter.

I think you get my point :p

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Originally posted by Quizzical
That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

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The game that is the best game is the one that you as a person enjoy playing, subs are just a measure of a games popularity but that doesn't mean that it will be right for everyone.

Wow is a great all round game to me 'personally' and i enjoy it, the minute i stop enjoying it i will quit and most likely go back to Eve or look for something new to enjoy.

It does always amuse me how much time some people will put into saying how poor wow is when their time would be better spent just enjoying what they do like to play and let wow players get on with their own thing too.

First of all the event would have to be the Mega Marathon because it's been running for 4 straight years and hasn't reached the finish line yet.

Secondly, it would have lead the race from the start.

You know what the most important thing is for a runner when they are in first place?  Not to look back and see how close the competition is, just keep running as hard as you can and hope they can't catch you.

I'd say Blizzard is doing a pretty damn good job.

Originally posted by jason_webb

 

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Originally posted by Hufftoth
It would be the eternal secound, no matter what it ventured in to and did, it would end up in secound place. Because it does not want to be the best, it just likes to compete. And everyone likes it (myself I hate it, but it's a good game i must admit). But, if you played 10 diffrent matches with World of Warcraft and 9 other people. Each of those people would win one match,  and World of Warcraft would come out with the overall best score but no victories.
This is why World of Warcraft will never come first the the MMORPG game ranking, and this is why it will allways be beat by those who focus their efforts on perfecting what they are good at.

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Hehe, you got it wrong, WOW wouldn't be entered into single events.

WOW would be the gold medal modern decathalete. All the others would maybe win by a nose in their individual specialist events but WOW would take the gold with points gained doing well in all events across the board.

Good point Jason.  Perhaps that's what the original poster was trying to say, but didn't say it quite as eloquently as you have done.  WoW may not win any of the individual events, but when you tally up the total score of all the events, WoW is way out in the lead.

Originally posted by Quizzical

That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

OK, you're comparing fast food to other types of restaurants. You could actually make the argument that McDonald's is the best out of the fast food hamburger chains. Just like WoW is the best out of the MMO category. Hey, personally, I don't agree with either. However, we have been outvoted. Like it or not, you must accept that WoW is enjoyed by more players, than all other MMOs combined.

Originally posted by Hufftoth

It would be the eternal secound, no matter what it ventured in to and did, it would end up in secound place. Because it does not want to be the best, it just likes to compete. And everyone likes it (myself I hate it, but it's a good game i must admit). But, if you played 10 diffrent matches with World of Warcraft and 9 other people. Each of those people would win one match,  and World of Warcraft would come out with the overall best score but no victories.

This is why World of Warcraft will never come first the the MMORPG game ranking, and this is why it will allways be beat by those who focus their efforts on perfecting what they are good at.

I'm sorry, but who has "perfected" what they are good at in comparison? 

What you are saying is that there are 9 other games that do one thing good, which is just a way of saying 9 other games do everything worse except maybe one thing.  In a head to head comparison with most games, the best any game can do is be better at one or two things and then wow sweeps the rest of the categories.  Wow sets out to be the best at variety and playstyle options and it achieves that in spades.  Other games try to be good at one things and most struggle with one basic feature. 

Consider this, all of these games are in a competition already.  They are competing over us for our subscription dollars. 

Originally posted by Quizzical

That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

 Who serves the best food doesn't make them the best restaurant.

If you're only talking fast food and you consider all things like customer service, cost, quality of the food, convenience, menu choices etc then McDonalds IS the best.  No they don't have the best food, but no one goes to McDonalds to get the best food.  They go to McDonalds because they know what they are going to get.  Economical food served quickly.  They get you in an out with no hassles and it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg.  That just happens to be what the majority of people want.  Why hate on McDonalds for giving the people what they want?  You want steak you go someplace else, that doesn't make that someplace else a better restaurant, just a different kind of restaurant.

Originally posted by Quizzical

That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

Do you compare chess to mmos?  No, then why would you compare fast food to other types of restaurants?

It could be argued that mcdonalds is the best of the fast food chains however, but I'm sure you would somehow bring up hairspray as an example of why nike makes the best shoes.

It'd be that cute girl that's fun to look at, but has no athletic ability

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Quizzical

That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

 

Do you compare chess to mmos?  No, then why would you compare fast food to other types of restaurants?

 

It could be argued that mcdonalds is the best of the fast food chains however, but I'm sure you would somehow bring up hairspray as an example of why nike makes the best shoes.

I think his point is that what's popular isn't always the best.  McDonald's is probably more popular then anything else out there, but for some it's food is awful. 

I'm willing to bet 10-20% of the accounts on WoW are 1 person playing multiple accounts or multiboxing.  Also have to include the farmer issue and accounts overseas just lookin to bank off of gold.

Let's ask this a different way.

Suppose that Blizzard had never bothered to advertise WoW.  They put exactly the same development into it, and the content was exactly the same, but no advertisements.

Surely you can agree that the playerbase would be a lot smaller.  It might well still be quite big, of course.  Maybe they'd have 1 million active subscriptions, or maybe they'd have 3 million, or whatever.  But it would be a lot smaller.

Would that make the game any better or worse than it is today? 

Originally posted by Hufftoth

It would be the eternal secound, no matter what it ventured in to and did, it would end up in secound place. Because it does not want to be the best, it just likes to compete. And everyone likes it (myself I hate it, but it's a good game i must admit). But, if you played 10 diffrent matches with World of Warcraft and 9 other people. Each of those people would win one match,  and World of Warcraft would come out with the overall best score but no victories.

This is why World of Warcraft will never come first the the MMORPG game ranking, and this is why it will allways be beat by those who focus their efforts on perfecting what they are good at.

          Maybe the best analogy would be a decathlon......Yeah WoW might not win an event (I think it would though) but it would finish best after adding all ten together.......WoW can appeal to a large variety of player which is rare in most MMOs........They made the game so that the hardcore gamer could enjoy it as much as the very casual gamer.......They made it so the guy with a 10 year old PC could still play their game while most other games were going for cutting edge technology and cutting their market down considerably as a result........I'm sure WoW could have designed its game with technology similar to EQ2 but would they have had anywhere near the fanbase they do now?? I seriously doubt they would have had half........You have to give credit to them for identifying their target market and for the changes they have made to accomodate that.

Originally posted by Malvolentia

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Quizzical

That WoW has the most players doesn't mean it is the best game.  If you had to pick which restaurant serves the best food, would you say McDonald's?  They do sell the most, after all. 

 

Do you compare chess to mmos?  No, then why would you compare fast food to other types of restaurants?

 

It could be argued that mcdonalds is the best of the fast food chains however, but I'm sure you would somehow bring up hairspray as an example of why nike makes the best shoes.

 

I think his point is that what's popular isn't always the best.  McDonald's is probably more popular then anything else out there, but for some it's food is awful. 

Yes, this is the point he was making, and it's a very valid point. WoW is a good game, polished, and very refined. But having the most subs doesn't make it the best game. Not by a long shot.

I am amused by the fans on this site that seem to be pushing the idea that because WoW is the most popular it is the best. And trying to defer any analogy comparing McDonald's to other restaurants with things like price. Fine we can compare something of equal price. Look at the Backstreet Boys in their prime. Their records cost the same as any other record, and they were really popular. Does that make them the best? Not by a long shot, they pretty much sucked. Look at all the reality TV shows that are on. American Idol is ridiculously popular, does that make it the best TV show on television? That would be a ridiculous claim.

I usually look at it this way. Most people are idiots. Things that are designed for mass consumption are usually dumbed down for the average person. Dumbing stuff down has the side effect of taking away some of what makes it good. WoW dumbed down many things to make it accessible to mass consumption. This made it very popular, but took away some of what makes MMORPG's good.

I think WoW is a good game, and if you think it's the best game, good for you. I disagree.

Good point Abraham.  I'm starting to look at those games that are extremely popular as working it against it in quality.  Look at Eve Online.  I personally don't like that game, but it has a small cult following cause for a space game it's excellent.

if WOW was an athlete he would be on trial for using performance enhancing subscriptions ?