What do you think was the biggest single mistake that Mythic did with Warhammer? Their game keep surviving with aproxomately 300k subscribers, perhaps below but they did lost over 500k subscribers in about only four months! Why?

Personally I would say that the "world"  didn't feel like a world but rather like some stand alone maps puzzled together... One of the reasons I play MMO's is for the WORLD!!

I think it's a fun, good game. 250-300k subs is fine

Having a blast on the test server wit da choppa!

Scenarios.Period.

stupid ea

currently WAR is my game of choice so i am enjoying the game but here are the things i think would make the game better and this is only my opinion so dont bash me if you dont agree.  crafting could be much better, i agree with the poll on the world doesnt quite feel like a world.   better Order classes to even out the population between Destro and Order, Slayers will help that a little but not enough.  too many of the keeps and BOs seem too similar and repetitive to me.  i would like to see more mounts and itemization too. 

Good Thing = Scenarios Loved them played a lot

Bad Thing = Only loved scenarios

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

Scenarios.Period.

Gah!! 

I misse to put scenarios in the poll!!  The scenarios thingy is defenately one major issue about the game for sure!!

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

Scenarios.Period.

Yup, very true...they ruined all the open-world PvP zones...yeah they were still populated somewhat at first but most the time players just camped and played them for their PvP fix.  They also rewarded way too much XP gain which should have only been rewarded during open-world or during PvE.  Mythic built this huge PvE playground to romp around in, but it was all entirely skippable because of the scenarios.

after they added gear through open rvr most if not everyone does open rvr so its really not an issue anymore

1. Making it a pvp centric game was the worst idea. No pvp mmo will ever prosper for the long term without a soild pve content.

2. Bad pve - It is like they just slapped stuff together and called it pve content.

3. Scenarios were too repetitive.

4. Should have made DAOC 2 instead.

The Number One reason WAR failed in my mind is because the world wasn't seamless...

I had imagined that each castle you took would bring you that much closer to the enemies capital city and each time you lost a forward spawn you really felt it. They should have took what made planetside so great and ran with it.

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

Scenarios.Period.

     That is probably my guess also....It almost seemed like these were not even going to be a part of the game originally, but I think someone got a brainfart and thought they could lure over some of the WoW subs if they put this in their game......The problem was that it took away too much from what should have been the strength of WAR (ie world RVR PVP).......I thought WAR should have gone a little more out of its way to distinguish itself from WoW and made itself more like DAoC......

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

Scenarios.Period.

Enough said. Mythic built this game that they said will have awesome open world PvP. Ooops, looks like the scenarios are where all the PvP is at. And scenarios are boring.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

4. Should have made DAOC 2 instead.

Or somehow had a 3rd realm. I know it does not follow the WAR story from the PnP but  it was not what a lot of fans expected i think.. or maybe i should just speak for myself?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

To sum it up:^

1. War is not the Warhammer world. Far from it. Where are the seperate Army identities, the flying units of Warhammer TT?

 As a result Dawn of War 2 has now in VERY tiny letters "warhammer 40k" in its title, because after Mark of Chaos and now Warhammer on line, it is better NOT to be associated with failed Warhammer gaming products.?...

2. War PvP animations and avatars controls are often clunky and unresponsive. You fight the unresponsive avatars more than you fight a PvP player.

3. War is too dependant on server populations. 4 Tiers each with 3 BG's, each with dozens of PQ's, each with their own RvR zones. That is one divided by far too many ... and you get 3 players total on each piece waiting to see  other players.

War had a ... shortage of servers the first week of launch (Sep 18th 2008). I was there and 50% of all servers were locked/full. People just left after 3 weeks because it had no world feeling (see above).

4. War is a PvP copy of that other game, but with LESS PvP control, fluid animation and variation. No duels, no arena's (controls of character interaction,), no destructable Keeps, no tank combat, no moving artillery, no sea invasion, no PROMISED multiple 100/100+ combat every night on every server.

5. War has no grading system in its dungeons and Raid systems.

6. It scenario system was from the beginning  not server linked, so waiting times for the unpopular ones take ages to open.

7. War HAS RvR but it is very badly implementated and because of it, no onecares. It just sits there turning blue and red without any meaning or control for 98% of the players. And the 2% that care have to group in teams of 6 to have ANY fun. That wasn't even the meaning of "War " is everywhere.

8. War has still a very bad chat interface and PvP players apparently don't like to chat much. Just beat the hell out of it.

9. War uses a very old "engine", taxing the whole server and server/client system too much. So server caps and population caps were the only remedy to limit the large end game battles.

---CONCLUSION ----

The ratio of Wow/War on Xfire has now become greater than 30 to 1 in the past 2 days. Unbelievable but this ratio was 6.5 to 1 at the end of Sep 2008. So War lost 5 times more of its population than a 4 year old game in one (launching ) winter campaign.

6.5 to 1 Wow ratio on Xfire meant it had around 750 K players back then in Sep (compared with the 5 M of US/EU Wow). The same figures btw that Mark JAcobs came up with. So,the Xfire ratio worked.

30 to 1 Wow ratio on Xfire now it means it is down to 160-180 K players. In line with all the earlier Xfire stats btw. Only 2 months ago this ratio  was 18 to 1. And XMas sales made up for the few other "extra" susbcriptions in their first free month.

So forget about those 300 K subs (XMas sales included): these are already long gone (hence the 100 lay-offs from EA in two waves recently),  because 250 K was the bottom of "return rate" already laid out by EA in Sep 2008 (at launch EA said they had to achieve 250-350K after 6 months to arrive at "break even").

 

 

 

 

That's where I stopped reading, cause it proves you never to to t3..
In tier 3 you can choose from 6 BG's (scenarios as I like to call them.)
So I didn't bother reading any further cause it's probably filled with more crap..
 

Originally posted by Yrcrazypa

Originally posted by 6SlipKnoT6

Scenarios.Period.

 

Enough said. Mythic built this game that they said will have awesome open world PvP. Ooops, looks like the scenarios are where all the PvP is at. And scenarios are boring.

Then explain why I was taking keeps in Orvr last night with 3 warbands? =)
I admit Orvr pretty much stopped after the 3rd week it was launched, but they implemented new stuff that made people go back to Orvring. I rarely queue for scenarios nowadays.

Third realm would make the game also very good and involved.

Yes they made mistakes, to think that they wouldn't make mistakes is absurd.

I agree with cross server SCs, that would be kickass ;)

EDIT: some posts sound like they are posting about their experiences during launch, there have been a lot of changes and some of what is posted no longer applies.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

1. Making it a pvp centric game was the worst idea. No pvp mmo will ever prosper for the long term without a soild pve content.

2. Bad pve - It is like they just slapped stuff together and called it pve content.

3. Scenarios were too repetitive.

4. Should have made DAOC 2 instead.

pvp would have worked if pvp was put in an open, seemless and immersive Warhammer world. Not a theme park of scenarios as well as PQs dotted between sectioned off areas of RvR.

the world was utter crap.  I remember flicking through the early screens on WAR (back in 06) and i saw a world that i wanted to roam around in, to explore.  small zones (battlefields) were a great idea pvpwise but it fails to deliver the kind of world many are looking for.