Originally posted by Hotjazz

Arrgg, let me pay to betatest Darkfall for 3 months, because DF is the best PvP mmo I`ve played since UO. I just hope they fix the preorder servers so I can get the game as soon as possible.

 

You are right in most of your points though, and I hope they fix those as time goes by. I disagree in some.

 

Harvesting is pure genius in a PvP game like DF. I can get my mats without spending boring time running around the world. A small leftclick macro and I can watch TV or PvP on another PC. This is one of the best part of Darkfall, but I need two accounts.

 

Crafting is also good. The same macro can be used, and all the things I make can be used by other players. This was not possible in games with poor crafting like WOW, AoC and WAR.

 

The community in Darkfall is rough but awsome. In Darkfall you have to make friends and you will get real enemies. The flamewars on forums between the big guilds and the best pvpers are just pure fun. You will know and remember  your enemies in Darkfall. In  WOW I had more than 100000 kill and I didn`t remember one single name from the players I fought. This is because mmo`s like WAR, WOW and AOC are PvE games.

You never really accomplished much in real life, did you?

Originally posted by Darkstar111

He did it first.

 

 Also im willing to stand by any of those points if he or anyone wants to contend them.

-Darkstar

 

OK He alleges communications from the devs is poor (I would actually say its virtually non existant)  I think anyone but the  most dillusional fanboi would agree that is the case. 

By all means point us at these comuniqes. Oh wait there are none (well there has been what three?) Mainly reasosns (sceptics would say excuses) why the servers have been down for such prolonged periods over the last month or so.

Originally posted by rmk70

Darkfall will likely fade off into nothingness after a short period of time. Without the kind of balance of PvE and PvP that Pre-Tram UO had (i.e. playing housing, crafting, harvesting, dungeons, creating hunters, taming etc.) Darkfall will simply fail.

What the hardcore PvPers fail to recognize is that PvE elements helped to support the PvP elements of Pre-Tram UO (the game that Darkfall wants to model itself after). PvE'ers gave reason for PKers and PvPers to stay active:

 

---snip---

sadly I am inclined to agree. Without much in the way of 'content' all you have is a massive arena, a big empty sandbox....no sand.....no spade...no toys. Even sandboxes need sand.  It's more like Fury (with simpler combat) than UO or AC.  Fury was good I am not sure why it failed.

I can't help thinking that even those that are currently enjoying things will tire of it when they discover really there are no consequences as there really isn't much worth fighting over.

Originally posted by Gorilla

Originally posted by rmk70

Darkfall will likely fade off into nothingness after a short period of time. Without the kind of balance of PvE and PvP that Pre-Tram UO had (i.e. playing housing, crafting, harvesting, dungeons, creating hunters, taming etc.) Darkfall will simply fail.

What the hardcore PvPers fail to recognize is that PvE elements helped to support the PvP elements of Pre-Tram UO (the game that Darkfall wants to model itself after). PvE'ers gave reason for PKers and PvPers to stay active:

 

---snip---

 

sadly I am inclined to agree. Without much in the way of 'content' all you have is a massive arena, a big empty sandbox....no sand.....no spade...no toys. Even sandboxes need sand.  It's more like Fury (with simpler combat) than UO or AC.  Fury was good I am not sure why it failed.

I can't help thinking that even those that are currently enjoying things will tire of it when they discover really there are no consequences as there really isn't much worth fighting over.

I was just saying in another thread that this game seems like it was designed around having lots of features and nothing else.  I am referring to the lengthy list of skills, spells, actions, anything the player may choose to enact or execute.  But I agree that this game is missing the point completely, lacking the toys, sand, the elements,  etc. to be worth playing.

It's very dissapointing after so long of a wait.  There's really no excuse for it either.  They may correct it months from now, and a little at a time- but to me it's not enough to stick around and hold my interest.

Originally posted by SignusM

Haha, I have done my research. Check out the official press release. The game started development in 2003. The game from 2001-2003 was under Razorwax. 

So was the game in development 2001-2003? Your original post claimed the game had been in development for 5 years. False. Companies name changed, staff have come and gone and the company has relocated but the game has been in development since '01. Of course if you had said "AV have beed developing the game for 5 years" then you might be able to argue the toss however as it stands you are plain out wrong. Sorry.

Originally posted by poppets

This list of grievances was taken and collected from all Beta review reports

 

* Servers not stress tested

* weak community

* bad communication by dev's

* No player housing

* No Weather

* No Trading system

* Harvesting only viable through macroing, very poorly designed

* No local banks

* No trade caravans

* There ARE safezones

* Buggy UI

* Lack of intuitive chat commands

* Total lack of LFG system, and lack of intuitive group formation systems

* Extremely boring, unimaginative and grindy harvesting and crafting system

* Boring badly designed click fest melee combat, with no variation in weapon skill sets

* No penalties or bonuses on armor types so everyone will wear full plate - why wouldn't they?

* No penalties or bonuses on weapon styles so everyone will use the polearm - why wouldn't they?

* Effectively 1 class because there will be 10k clones of exactly the same build, because the devs have NO CLUE about making skill based diversification, as has been explained to them hundreds of times

* Extremely solo and red unfriendly from minute one of logging in

* Just be aware that you will be PTB (paying to beta) for the first 3 months

New game with poor launch will fall through the gaps in the fast paced gaming community. Save your money people

 Sounds terrible , thanks for the warning

OP "points" has been taken apart by real beta testers

here

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

OP "points" has been taken apart by real beta testers

here

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

 

Taken apart?

That thread is 6 pages of name calling ........... absolutely nothing more.  Did you even read the thread or are you making a joke that just went over my head? 

Because I'm certainly missing something here......

~Hairysun~

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

OP "points" has been taken apart by real beta testers

here

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

 

I looked at the link, read everything in it and even looked at other links in the link. The most "taken apart" thing about it was just severe flaming or "it will be turned on soon, i promise." Why would they have features turned off in a beta anyway, and features that they claim is working as well? Shouldnt they test things?

To me theres too many questionmarks about this game still, I'll just have to wait and see i guess

Edit: Damn, Hairysun beat me with several minutes

Originally posted by harmonica 

The people who hate it have never known the touch of a woman.

Actually I would say the people that like it are the ones who will fall in love with any ugly old strumpet :D I was glad I diped my wick before I had to pay,  but this was a fairly ugly, un-sophisticated curiosity. Sadly just another of many many notches on the bed post. (Actually and metaphorically)

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

OP "points" has been taken apart by real beta testers

here

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

 

lol real beta testers? they only invited morons and idiots that htey knew on the forums to not flame there game witch has been torn apart after the nda went away and now everyone knows what a shitty game df is and thats its gonna fail and not even worth spending money on ktyhxbye

Originally posted by DarkPony

Yeah, and if you take all of the positives out of all beta reviews you end up with an equally long list.

IT'S A BETA AND NOONE THOUGHT THE GAME WOULD BE PERFECT AT LAUNCH ANYWAY

The bottom line is: is it fun, and fun in the long run too? It appears to be fun for now for most testers, whether that fun will last? And will the devs be quick to address the issues brought up by players?

We shall see ... in a few months or so.

Pretty sure Tasos was telling everyone for months now about how the game was feature complete and release ready... 

No longer is DarkFail vaporware... its graduated to abandonware.

Oh come on people, put your fan flags on the floor for a second and just look at these screen shots. Look at the game, listen to their sound effects. Do you REALLY want to play a game like this?

I'm with this guy, this game is nothing but utter trash. Honestly for the amount of time this has been in development it's utterly dissapointing, I was expecting something new, something innovative. I really wanted Darkfall to succeed so badly, but look at it! 

Just makes me want to pry open your eyes, don't give me this graphics doesn't make a good game rant, because it SHOULD be better. It looks like it came from the 90's seriously, it's utterly shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/rant end.

Originally posted by Hobgoblin11

Originally posted by poppets

This list of grievances was taken and collected from all Beta review reports

 

* Servers not stress tested

* weak community

* bad communication by dev's

* No player housing

* No Weather

* No Trading system

* Harvesting only viable through macroing, very poorly designed

* No local banks

* No trade caravans

* There ARE safezones

* Buggy UI

* Lack of intuitive chat commands

* Total lack of LFG system, and lack of intuitive group formation systems

* Extremely boring, unimaginative and grindy harvesting and crafting system

* Boring badly designed click fest melee combat, with no variation in weapon skill sets

* No penalties or bonuses on armor types so everyone will wear full plate - why wouldn't they?

* No penalties or bonuses on weapon styles so everyone will use the polearm - why wouldn't they?

* Effectively 1 class because there will be 10k clones of exactly the same build, because the devs have NO CLUE about making skill based diversification, as has been explained to them hundreds of times

* Extremely solo and red unfriendly from minute one of logging in

* Just be aware that you will be PTB (paying to beta) for the first 3 months

New game with poor launch will fall through the gaps in the fast paced gaming community. Save your money people.

 

LMFAO.. you're a f------g idiot. The game is still in beta and about half the things in that list are taken completely out of context.  No.. the game isnt perfect but in spite of your hatred for the full loot, sandbox pvP environment.. many of those things could NEVER be turne on and Df will still be ten times the game that any current game is.

 Not to mention 10 times as empty.

anyone else here excited for the 25th?  I am!

Originally posted by miagisan

anyone else here excited for the 25th?  I am!

Aye and not because of Darkfall either, It's payday on the 25th for me

Originally posted by egg20001uk

Originally posted by miagisan

anyone else here excited for the 25th?  I am!

 

Aye and not because of Darkfall either, It's payday on the 25th for me

ooo nice! /hi5

Originally posted by Raizeen

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

OP "points" has been taken apart by real beta testers

here

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

 

 

lol real beta testers? they only invited morons and idiots that htey knew on the forums to not flame there game witch has been torn apart after the nda went away and now everyone knows what a shitty game df is and thats its gonna fail and not even worth spending money on ktyhxbye

I am not sure how to reply, a big part of me want to thank you for trying to keep a$4holes(those who not sure if they like it, the so called "sceptics") away  from the game by  shit talking it so i can get faster in and and enjoy my home for the next few years ASAP.

i think i leave it at that and thank you ..for trying so hard to please me o that matter..

upps before i forget ..the game is shit ..but you all should download the the torrent and seed it. After i got my d/l ready i don't care lol

"As for being a red"

What does red mean?

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by Cetra

 Tell me why this game deserves a fee close to AoC 12.99 euro. Darkfall has nothing to offer other than ffa pvp and full looting enabled.  It loses out in everyway in terms of quality compared to any decent mmo in the market now.

 

Haha you are trolling when you mention AoC right? I had friends who invested alot of money in Funcom before the release of AoC. Why shouldn`t they when it was a sure win. People was tired of WOW and AoC was the only new mmo on the horizon at that time. We all bought AoC, but we knew after a few hours how bad that game was. Luckily we sold our stoks before they plummet, and we still laugh when we talk about AoC.

 

You have to remember ffa pvp and full-loot is THE thing that makes a mmo fun. I find it hard to belive that most players don`t like this feature, but I guess most haven`t tried it. The funny thing is that I`m not even a good pvper and loose my fights 90 % of the time in DF. Still I love the ffa full-loot mmo`s.

 

And to me quality isn`t about how the game looks, but what I feel when I play it.

Please tell me you are ESL. The entire economy Funcom in sitting in has failed. I doubt you ever owned stock in the first place. AOC was a complete failure, and the press confirms. As for DF, all I have seen are a bunch of previews that confirms the game doesn't offer the feature list, the billing system is inept, and they are asking $52 (US) to "pre-order." So, what ever happened to "getting a chance to play the game before paying?"

On top, the "oblivion" comparisons...that game was a completely unplayable peice of ... if you are a PC gamer. It was terrible.