Originally posted by Frostbite05

theres nothing to save the genre is very popular.

You obviously never played an MMO before 2005....  Oh to be naive and stupid again. 

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Frostbite05

theres nothing to save the genre is very popular.

You obviously never played an MMO before 2005....  Oh to be naive and stupid again. 

The good old days of it just being a nerdy past time...

I miss those days

The MMO genre doesn't need a Savior imo.

Right now we have a good mix of Themepark, Crpg and casual F2p mmos on the market and after 2009 the new sandbox games will hit.

Once DF, MO and ER hit the market and join the likes of Eve MMOs will have thier own little niches and be just fine.

Weather you like Themepark games, sandbox games, F2p games, Crpg, sci-fi, super hero or fantasy you will have something to play and enjoy within the vast mmorpg genre.

We need no savior, we need diversity and were getting it.

Play on brothers and sisters.

Originally posted by Z3R01

The MMO genre doesn't need a Savior imo.

Right now we have a good mix of Themepark, Crpg and casual F2p mmos on the market and after 2009 the new sandbox games will hit.

Once DF, MO and ER hit the market and join the likes of Eve MMOs will have thier own little niches and be just fine.

Weather you like Themepark games, sandbox games, F2p games, Crpg, sci-fi, super hero or fantasy you will have something to play and enjoy within the vast mmorpg genre.

We need no savior, we need diversity and were getting it.

 

Play on brothers and sisters.

Well said!

Diversity IS the Savior!

Originally posted by fyerwall

Originally posted by Z3R01

The MMO genre doesn't need a Savior imo.

Right now we have a good mix of Themepark, Crpg and casual F2p mmos on the market and after 2009 the new sandbox games will hit.

Once DF, MO and ER hit the market and join the likes of Eve MMOs will have thier own little niches and be just fine.

Weather you like Themepark games, sandbox games, F2p games, Crpg, sci-fi, super hero or fantasy you will have something to play and enjoy within the vast mmorpg genre.

We need no savior, we need diversity and were getting it.

 

Play on brothers and sisters.

 

Well said!

Diversity IS the Savior!

Diversity is pointless if they all are horrible games. The MMORPG genre hasnt seen much quality as of late, nor has it seen the vision to create a current solid title that can grow and push the genre further and by grow im talking about quality and intelligence.

Instead of having a large all you can eat buffet with multiple types of foods that are processes and pumped out...i would rather have a carefully prepared single quality meal. Remember, MMORPGS rely on the "massive", and only WoW seems to be Massive at this point.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

 

Diversity is pointless if they all are horrible games. The MMORPG genre hasnt seen much quality as of late, nor has it seen the vision to create a current solid title that can grow and push the genre further and by grow im talking about quality and intelligence.

Instead of having a large all you can eat buffet with multiple types of foods that are processes and pumped out...i would rather have a carefully prepared single quality meal. Remember, MMORPGS rely on the "massive", and only WoW seems to be Massive at this point.

Weather a game is horrible or awesome is purely subjective.

While you might think every mmo is horrible another person may love the games you dislike.

Hell... we have 150k people that think AoC is the best freaking MMO on the market today, think about that for a second lol.

Also with your little "Massive" remark, WoW isn't the only mmo that has a massive community. last time I checked the majority of WoWs servers were capped at 3k, since I play on a server with 50k players who is more massive?

Originally posted by Z3R01

The MMO genre doesn't need a Savior imo.

Right now we have a good mix of Themepark, Crpg and casual F2p mmos on the market and after 2009 the new sandbox games will hit.

Once DF, MO and ER hit the market and join the likes of Eve MMOs will have thier own little niches and be just fine.

There's no real hardcore PVE game yet like Vanguard or EQ. Don't say LOTRO or Aion....seriously.....don't make me smack somebody.

If Vanguard had a better launch, the servers, $ and support would be there for a great game. That's not the case though now, so we need a new heavy PVE based game to launch.

For PVP there's a lot more choices right now, PVE, meh..not so much.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Z3R01

The MMO genre doesn't need a Savior imo.

Right now we have a good mix of Themepark, Crpg and casual F2p mmos on the market and after 2009 the new sandbox games will hit.

Once DF, MO and ER hit the market and join the likes of Eve MMOs will have thier own little niches and be just fine.

 

There's no real hardcore PVE game yet like Vanguard or EQ. Don't say LOTRO or Aion....seriously.....don't make me smack somebody.

If Vanguard had a better launch, the servers, $ and support would be there for a great game. That's not the case though now, so we need a new heavy PVE based game to launch.

For PVP there's a lot more choices right now, PVE, meh..not so much.

This is the problem with the MMO playerbase, We have good games to play yet we keep looking for something else lol.

Look at what I highlighted, Go play EQ or Vanguard. Last time I checked both games are still going and have atleast one server that has enough of a community to keep the goodtimes flowing.

Originally posted by Z3R01

This is the problem with the MMO playerbase, We have good games to play yet we keep looking for something else lol.

Look at what I highlighted, Go play EQ or Vanguard. Last time I checked both games are still going and have atleast one server that has enough of a community to keep the goodtimes flowing.

 

Honestly, I played EQ for 4 years. There's no support and I'm being really honest here. I even played SoD up to a few months ago. I'm probably one of the few on this forum who is still knowledgable about the latest EQ expansions.

The major problems are bugs with the very high-end content, and no support for new players and the constant multiboxing. When you need to petition a bug with your whole guild, wait for 4 weeks to get an answer and still are unable to complete the raid or quest..yeah..it's time for a new game. If they gave EQ the support they needed, trust me, I'd be playing. I've done everything in SoD up to the Field of Scale theme, but the recent Station Exchange RMT and the reaction of players is enough to make anyone quit.

Vanguard....ya I played it, I still have my bard and I do play it when I got bored, but our server is very empty and the content is just trickling in, you can see it doesn't have the support it needs.

I don't ask for much in games, but I do ask for decent content support, bug fixes and server stability, both VG and EQ don't get the $ from SoE to remain a viable and fun experience most of the time, Vanguard maybe being the lesser evil of the two atm.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Z3R01

This is the problem with the MMO playerbase, We have good games to play yet we keep looking for something else lol.

Look at what I highlighted, Go play EQ or Vanguard. Last time I checked both games are still going and have atleast one server that has enough of a community to keep the goodtimes flowing.

 

 

Honestly, I played EQ for 4 years. There's no support and I'm being really honest here. I even played SoD up to a few months ago. I'm probably one of the few on this forum who is still knowledgable about the latest EQ expansions.

The major problems are bugs with the very high-end content, and no support for new players and the constant multiboxing. When you need to petition a bug with your whole guild, wait for 4 weeks to get an answer and still are unable to complete the raid or quest..yeah..it's time for a new game. If they gave EQ the support they needed, trust me, I'll be playing. I've done everything in SoD up to the Field of Scale theme, but the recent Station Exchange RMT and the reaction of players is enough to make anyone quit.

Vanguard....ya I played it, I still have my bard and I do play it when I got bored, but our server is very empty and the content is just trickling in, you can see it doesn't have the support it needs.

I don't ask for much in games, but I do ask for decent content support, bug fixes and server stability, both VG and EQ don't get the $ from SoE to remain a viable and fun experience most of the time, Vanguard maybe being the lesser evil of the two atm.

I can count Hardcore Pve mmos on one hand to be honest.

Eq, AC1, FFXI, Vanguard and Ryzom ( I add in ryzom because its really group oriented and is freaking hardcore if you try to solo).

Hardcore pve games are niche. just like my Hardcore Sandbox pvp mmos (eve being the only one)

To be honest I don't really see a hardcore Pve mmo coming along for a very long time, unless you switch to sandbox games that aren't FFApvp. like Ryzom.

Fallen Earth will be the next big failure saviour.

Maybe, Tera Online is about the only PVE game I'm looking forward to atm. Studio 38 (or whatever it's called) is where at least 1 EQ designer went to, so I'm keeping an eye on that too. But the rest seems to be very PVP based. I don't know where this crave for PVP suddenly came from eh.

(was directed at the person who qouted me, sorry)

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Originally posted by WaterlilyThere's no real hardcore PVE game yet like Vanguard or EQ. Don't say LOTRO or Aion....seriously.....don't make me smack somebody.
If Vanguard had a better launch, the servers, $ and support would be there for a great game. That's not the case though now, so we need a new heavy PVE based game to launch.
For PVP there's a lot more choices right now, PVE, meh..not so much.

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PvE much moreso than PvP relies on content largely added after launches, no game launches with an adequate amount of PvE content and balance compared to a game that has been receiving regular updates for ages.

PvE raiding, WoW had it right pretty much from late vanilla to all the way through TBC (after the initial expansion stumbleblocks were patched), if "hardcore" is what you were after, and you can hardly not know about WoW if you know about MMOs I imagine.

If with PvE you mean leveling, there's quite a bit of variety out there in various forms and shapes that is pretty good. Only crafting is something that's hard to find anywhere seriously.

Looking at launch games won't get you quality PvE in any case. In 6 months AoC could be a good PvE game if Funcom doesn't go under and continues to patch things. TCoS could also become good if they ever manage to fix their distribution.

I have been one of the most active skeptics regarding DFO. I don't hate DF, I hate groundless fanboyism. But what I have seen of DF is giving me some hope. It feels like the real thing and not a disney land painted cardboard recreation. It has many problems but I think it could be worth trying and maybe will be a standart in the future, along with EVE.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Fallen Earth will be the next big failure saviour.

Nahhh, FE will be so far under the radar only the hardcore fans will actually know the game releases.

Similar to TCoS.

Every sandbox release in '09-'10 will be Niche just like DF.

I prefer it that way to be honest.

Current in development,  none.

Everyone is just a copy of the next and using the same formula that started 12 years ago. Someone needs to break the mold and truly revolutionize the market.

Originally posted by redhands123

Well I know I'm gonna get spammed by DFO Fanbois shouting "TROLL TROLL!!!". But as a lot of and most people seem far from satisfied with the way Darkfall has turned out from what they've seen in beta. I myself have yet to try the game but from what I've read most reviews give me a pessimistic sort of view on how the end product will look considering its release is in 5 days.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, what do you think will be the next big thing people decide to well latch onto?

I myself think it will be MO it looks really cool, of course Im not going to invest too much curiosity into it with how Darkfall turned out and everything. But it seems as though it could be more of a sandbox than DFO.

Yeah its in first-person but is that really that big of an issue? Not to me it isn't. I would have to say the most intriguing thing to me has to be the whole Cult/God/Whatever thing it sounds really cool and the fact that it uses the UT3 graphics engine ensures that it will have good graphics.

I'm also waiting to hear more and see more on WoDO that just sounds amazing especially since Vampire the Masquerade:Bloodlines is one of and maybe my favorite RPG I've ever played. It will also be interesting to see an MMO thats got that kind of theme but that isnt F2P.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

Really hard to say, Redhands.

I honestly feel it boils down to what each individual considers a 'savior' to MMO games to even mean.

There is truly no doubt there is a rabid fanbase for every possible style currently offered in MMO games. From PvE, PvP, solo, raid, genre, mechanics, role in game, crafting... on and on. The desires of players are as varied and unique as each MMO being produced, now or in the future. It's a random thing, and if developers had any true sense or vision in what would cater to the most people and would be the next sensation in the MMO gaming environment,  well...

Many games are coming out this year alone that cater to so many tastes, really, I truly believe ultimately that it's an individual 'feel' thing.

I don't know if I could pinpoint a specific game, exactly, but I'd venture to guess that whichever MMO game takes the world by storm, it will have elements that cater to just about everybody and their distinct niches within the game, and not producing a game based on the niche itself.

DFO looks horrible to me. It just.. does. It doesn't make it a bad game. It doesn't make the appeal to those who feverishly love that type of game, and consider it to be their idea of a perfect MMO, wrong.

I tend to honestly try to endeavor to not think about what game will have the next ten billion subscribers.

No, to me, my next 'savior' will without question be the game that I spent time in because I was just thrilled by the overall experience that catered to my personal tastes. Which game could it be? With the amount of games in production now, there's a lot to try when the developers deem them enough of their vision of what an experience they'd like to present is complete, and judge the merits from that.

Until then, speculate away .

You got a pal in me,

K~

Originally posted by redhands123

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Two games that come to mind that will be the next big thing...

1. SW:TOR - People are already drooling over the screenshots and dev videos of the game. Remember this is Bioware, not some unknown who pulls a mmo out of their arse and slaps a monthly fee on an unfinished game. All their games are popular and very good. They also have a huge fanbase following. Bioware has the 'Midas Touch" everything they touch turns to gold and I see it being no different here.

2. Guild Wars 2 - Arenanet has an awesome dev team. They came from Blizzard, they know what it takes to make great games and Guild Wars was proof of that. Millions have played their game and it is one of the most successful games since WOW. Arenanet will once again prove that you can still make a good mmo without charging a monthly fee.

I would of added Blizzard's next gen mmo but  we don't even know what it is yet, so I'm sure we'll all be keeping an eye out for it.

 

I guess... But both of those will put a lot of emphasis on story and I like story but I don't like it to be TOO involved in the story I hope SWTOR isn't anything like Guild Wars. I know Champions will be like that so I wont even be keeping one eye on that and instead will be looking towards DCUO!

Yeah I love story in mmos because I like the suspense in knowing what is going to happen next. I didn't mention Champions or DCUO because I don't think alot are into the super-hero thing. I don't think either will be mass marketed games. Though I will be playing Champions :) 

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by redhands123

Well I know I'm gonna get spammed by DFO Fanbois shouting "TROLL TROLL!!!". But as a lot of and most people seem far from satisfied with the way Darkfall has turned out from what they've seen in beta. I myself have yet to try the game but from what I've read most reviews give me a pessimistic sort of view on how the end product will look considering its release is in 5 days.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand, what do you think will be the next big thing people decide to well latch onto?

I myself think it will be MO it looks really cool, of course Im not going to invest too much curiosity into it with how Darkfall turned out and everything. But it seems as though it could be more of a sandbox than DFO.

Yeah its in first-person but is that really that big of an issue? Not to me it isn't. I would have to say the most intriguing thing to me has to be the whole Cult/God/Whatever thing it sounds really cool and the fact that it uses the UT3 graphics engine ensures that it will have good graphics.

I'm also waiting to hear more and see more on WoDO that just sounds amazing especially since Vampire the Masquerade:Bloodlines is one of and maybe my favorite RPG I've ever played. It will also be interesting to see an MMO thats got that kind of theme but that isnt F2P.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

There's nothing really out there that presents the same amount of hope that Darkfall does. Aventurine had a weird (and often bad) way of handing publicity, but their "Our way or the highway" policy is a HUGE relief to people who've watched companies buckle under pressure and transform good games into crap. I watched it happen to SWG, and I watched it happen to Lord of the Rings Online before it even launched. When you NGE a game in beta and totally restructure it, ugh, that's pathetic. 

Anyway, I've been reading reviews too, and most of them are positive, the vast majority in fact. Trust me, I have been in beta a long time, there is no one more critical out there than most of the Darkfall beta testers. Whenever something was sloppy, wrong, out of line, they raised hell, and almost every time, Aventurine addressed their concerns with a patch within a day, 2 at most. That's what has impressed me the most. 

The game, as it stands, has all the groundwork layed out, all the major features in, and just needs a little tweaking. Don't let  doom sayers and people who had false expectations (like the ones that thought the game would let them take over noobie towns even though devs explicitly said that wouldn't be possible YEARS ago), sully the image of the game. It needs work, yes, but it is more than ready for release. 

 

As for the next game, I'm glad to see more unique games like Mortal Online and Planetfall I think it is? Coming out soon. Though...Mortal Online looks like a huge freaking scam. All they have is a pre rendered trailer they are claiming are in game graphics (even though the internal alpha screenshots look NOTHING like the Crysis like video) they plan to have massive battles with twitch combat with 12 hitboxes, and according to an interview with the devs a month ago, they are JUST NOW testing arrow flights across distance for the first time, and they said it might just not be possible due to the lag. Oh yeah, its coming out in a few months alright, and they're selling t shirts :P 

 

Darkfall really is the last hope, thats why so many cling to it, nothing really like it out there. And thankfully, the devs have delivered. 

Yeah I would try Darkfall, but they are only going to allow 10000 players on there only server which means BASICALLY no one will be able to play.

Originally posted by altairzq

I have been one of the most active skeptics regarding DFO. I don't hate DF, I hate groundless fanboyism. But what I have seen of DF is giving me some hope. It feels like the real thing and not a disney land painted cardboard recreation. It has many problems but I think it could be worth trying and maybe will be a standart in the future, along with EVE.

I completely agree with this person, I don't hate DF but the blind fanboyism just get rediculous sometimes.