If crafting was getting a more positive review (at least more consistently), I would probably give it a go. As it is, the 'vast empty spaces' in between areas reminds me of Horizons. I shudder to think of it. Time IS a factor these days no matter how much fanbois cry 'Tough it up! Carebear!...etc'

If the game is good, offer a 7 day limited trial..starter area, level 1-10 maybe. I am sure more folks would go for it.

After being chomped by D&L and if not bitten then stung by AoC and to a lesser extent WAR, I think indies need to 'show some gold' before they go asking for 50 or 60 bucks.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Well if you want the facts, I have spent time playing it and I would not waste my time with it in the state it is right now.  The game has sme serious issues and is at best in early beta state. 

And if you think this game does not have significant balancing issues you are seriously delusional. 

They will probably work most of this stuff out in time.  It could end up being a very good game, it is not that now.

I wish Aventurine well, but at present would not recommend the game to anyone.

Give us your Forum name, and make a post on the beta boards saynig "hey I am Ozmodan" or I don't believe you have played the game

Originally posted by Herithius

Just copying and pasting my comments on the Darkfall forums:

My honest critique now that the NDA is lifted is that I find the game terribly disappointing. I waited for the title for a very long time and knew quite well that DF would not stack up to modern titles in terms of polish and presentation but would make up for it in terms of depth of features properly executed. This hasn't been the case. I was definitely skeptical but thought I was such a sandbox, PvP fan who applauded their ideals that I could play through any issues.

This hasn't been the case.

It just seems like a very, very low budget mmorpg that couldn't be sold in any reputable video game store. If it did, people would take it back as an incomplete video game. There is no advanced PvP. Just swinging again and again. While the games environment looks decent, everything else is a far cry. So many features are totally unknown and it seems that most fights serve no meaning. Lots of exploits, functions that don't seem to work, people baffled by how skill advancement work, a crafting system many have gripes with, etc. I just don't think players should have to sacrifice this much to their game experience to simply say they play a PvP sandbox title.

That being said, there are a lot of people in beta who apparently enjoy it which was a surreal experience. I really think it was more of a self reassuring cult mentality and that any reputable review is not going to be so kind.

I just think this game is too broken on too many levels to have a decent release. I honestly associate it with something like DnL and think its going to disappoint a lot of PvP enthusiasts. There are countless free mmorpgs that seem quite a lot better. If you charge modern prices and subscription rates, you need a modern, competitive mmorpg.

No malice at all towards DF and hope it succeeds to facilitate more titles along this vein. I thought Shadowbane was infinitely better. Especially with it being created 6 years earlier. Anyone who thought SB had a rocky launch will have a field day with this title.

Funny, I have read EXACTLY this post months and moths ago, that guy (maby you) was proven to be a bullshiter then, and you are now.

If you have been beta testing prove it by posting "hi i am Herithius" on the Beta boards!

Trolling is stupid. Lying is even more stupid.

Originally posted by drasilgame

I won't be playing, too many noobs. I can do f2p game if i want shit communities.

Carebear-commie!

Originally posted by n0ij

11.77 EUR = 14.9672 US

LOL

 

They are charging almost $15 / a month for this shitty excuse for a game.

They must be smoking some real good shit if they think anyone is going to pay that

The cult followers are the ones that are out of their mind. They are goign to pay for this crap of a game.

I hope it hits them hard.

Originally posted by nileq

Originally posted by drasilgame

I won't be playing, too many noobs. I can do f2p game if i want shit communities.

 

Carebear-commie!

Don't you just love how the most obvious trolls can't grasp the fact that they are the trolls.

Originally posted by kikinchaz

Wow 11 euros + 19% VAT... Just worked this out and its going to come to around £12.50. That alone has turned me off the game an incredible amount. Preorder price is also damn expensive. If your entering into a market which is so difficult to break into then seriously why price above the markets leaders...

 

I'll try it out if I'm lucky enough to get into the beta or get some kind of trial. Until then I'll give it a miss.

isnt aoc 15 euro?

Originally posted by Lambon23

Originally posted by n0ij

11.77 EUR = 14.9672 US

LOL

 

They are charging almost $15 / a month for this shitty excuse for a game.

They must be smoking some real good shit if they think anyone is going to pay that

 

The cult followers are the ones that are out of their mind. They are goign to pay for this crap of a game.

I hope it hits them hard.

nope plenty of money here 

Originally posted by n0ij

11.77 EUR = 14.9672 US

LOL

 

They are charging almost $15 / a month for this shitty excuse for a game.

They must be smoking some real good shit if they think anyone is going to pay that

look at aoc charging what 15 euro to eu people lmao now thats a shitty excuse for a game df is a sandbox less bug more stable than swg pre cu

AoC was costing me about 11 pounds I believe. They dont slap a ridiculous 19% VAT on it, despite VAT being 15% in the UK.

I got a 60 day timecard from PC world for AoC for £10 anyway.

Now that the NDA is lifted:

a friend of mine spent a few day(s) creating hacks for the game, he's got some good ones.

if he can do it in a matter of a few days, I can't wait to see what happens when professionals get in there to do it... or what they manage to alter.

The Guild with the best hacks will control this gameworld...

While the game had it's moments, it's definately not fun for me.  Getting ganked while at half health fighting a mob is not "fun".

And no, I don't think it's as ready for release as War or AoC.

Is "Open Hardcore PvP" an excuse not to hire GMs?

Originally posted by zymurgeist

52.90  USD to buy

14.83 USD a month subscription fee.

No box,  no manual,  no nothing.  Digital download only.

 

The price alone is keeping me away from this one. I'm not paying that much for a virtual download. Honestly I believe this game would benefit more as a F2P game with micro-transactions (especially after reading how painful crafting is at the moment). I play some Asian F2P MMOs and spend lots of money on them,, on average more that $15 dollars a month (standard MMO subscription fee). I usually put about $10 a week aside and at the end of the month go on a buying spree from the virtual store, on average spending $40 or more. DF could make a killing this way.

But as far as I can gather, taking all I've read into account, this game is still in early beta stages. I've never paid to play a beta in my life and I won't start now. If this game hangs long enough and does well enough for a USA release, I'd definitely change my mind.

And just as a side note: A lot of testers have posted about the graphics of this game (which I never care about, gameplay is more important) and about how mediocre they are. I'm a bit confused... what happened to this game? Did they change the graphics to something worse or is this a falsified screen grab? Because, judging from this shot, these graphics are pretty damn great!

Didn't I read in the announcements leading up to this (maybe in January?) that everyone was going to be able to play the game before they bought it (like a free trial or something)? I don't see any mention of that now and it's obvious that on the pre-order you are buying it before you play it since they will charge for it on the 25th.  Did I just misunderstand the comments about trying it before you buy it or ??

No, you didn't misunderstand they clearly stated that they did not expect or want anyone to pay for anything before they tried it.

What you missed was that the comment was from a member of an MMO's management ...

Darkfail

Sounds like Shadowbane 1.5

Originally posted by stine96

Sounds like Shadowbane 1.5

I agree.

(I refused to pay to play Shadowbane because of the full loot > PvP I didn't mind. when it became free I started an account and quickly discovered how glad I was that I didn't pay for it.)

I'd be happier if this game sounded like Ultima Online 2.0 - which, c'mon, I'm sure more than just myself was expecting this to be true. I'd still like to give it a try. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a free trial...

CAUTION: The above post is slightly biased due to the fact it was posted by an Ultima Online diehard fanatic. This person still believes, and believes he will always believe, that aside from the 2D platter the game is served on, UO is the greatest mmorpg they've ever played.

*Prepares for much flaming to follow his post*

Originally posted by jefaw82

Originally posted by stine96

Sounds like Shadowbane 1.5

 

I agree.

(I refused to pay to play Shadowbane because of the full loot > PvP I didn't mind. when it became free I started an account and quickly discovered how glad I was that I didn't pay for it.)

I'd be happier if this game sounded like Ultima Online 2.0 - which, c'mon, I'm sure more than just myself was expecting this to be true. I'd still like to give it a try. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a free trial...

CAUTION: The above post is slightly biased due to the fact it was posted by an Ultima Online diehard fanatic. This person still believes, and believes he will always believe, that aside from the 2D platter the game is served on, UO is the greatest mmorpg they've ever played.

 

*Prepares for much flaming to follow his post*

I know I'm being a bit anal here but just to clarify.  Shadowbane was never full loot.  The only items you could drop were what you happen to have in your inventory at the time of death.  Which was basically pointless since anyone with an IQ over 60 always requested an emergency summons to bank the instant they acquired an item actually worth looting. 

The only time we would even bother to check corpses is when we were stealth ganking gold farming groups and even then good groups just had one guy looting the gold who would be summoned periodicly before he risked losing a decent amount of cash.

Personally I think people put way too much emphasis on the full loot aspect of Darkfall.  If UO showed us anything it's that anyone half decent at pvp in a full loot game is going to have jack worth looting in the first place.  I know back in UO's early days I ran around pvping ethier naked or in complete junk (see bonearmor) that I had huge stocks of or didn't care about losing anyhow.  The most you ever got off me was the small amount of reagents I carried to go play with.  I imagine Darkfall will be no different.

I'll still be playing TF2 though, screw fireballs and crap.  It's old, lets move on already.

Originally posted by jefaw82

 

(I refused to pay to play Shadowbane because of the full loot > PvP I didn't mind. when it became free I started an account and quickly discovered how glad I was that I didn't pay for it.)

*Prepares for much flaming to follow his post*

Shadowbane is not and has never been full loot.  There are many reasons to like and dislike that game but that's not one of them.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

52.90  USD to buy

14.83 USD a month subscription fee.

No box,  no manual,  no nothing.  Digital download only.

Ouch.

Thanks for that info there.

Those prices are in line with AAA titles.  I think a lower rate, say for under $10/mo, with $25 or less for the initial buy would be better (though I think a free client download would be the better choice).  Start with a below average rate then increase it as the demand grows.

I guess however, there is already a perception of high demand willing to accept the rates.  I just would hate to see that high spike and then sharp decline.