Originally posted by xxvicexx

Anyone who thinks capturing or killing Osama is an end all to this War is a simplistic idealistic dipshit.

 

LOL

Originally posted by Rayx0r

another republican who thinks democrats are against military actions.   Is it because of hannity or limbaugh that so many of you think this?  didnt you pay attention to Obama's stance on the military prior to his election, or are you going to pretend none of this was mentioned and that the american people voted him in strictly based on his "change" mantra like right wing talk radio has convinced you?

also keep in mind, not all people who voted democrat are left wing nutjobs.  im a registered republican, I work for government contracts directly linked to military operations.  youd be surprised how many of my co-workers voted democrat without fear of losing funding and how incredibly swamped we are with work with the new contracts we landed just weeks ago.

You'll have to excuse me for paying attention when the future president was visiting Germany and acting like a fake celebrity rather than visiting his own troops in Germany. 

He was still a public servant, senator, at the time and should've visited his troops if running for president.

Sure doesn't look good if you want to lead by example.  If you love something you make the time.

Edit: Reduced quotes

Theres always THIS ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGru2CPC4E

Never saw that video plastered all over prime time news, did we?  Yeah, he's all for keeping us safe.  I guess he doesn't understand what happens when you stop investing in military R&D, even on unproven weapons.  Every failure leads to a success, but you'd have to actually understand how R&D works.   You can't fall behind in the arms race.  But I guess Obama just wants to buy his way out of all our problems.  Print up another Trillion buddy.  My 2 kids will thank you later, as if you'll give a ^&$* by then.  Its not like your daughters will have to worry.  They'll be well taken care of.  

That video should scare the the pants off of anyone who sees it, except our enemies that is. 

Where they actually live? Wasn't that Saudi Arabia? Weren't most of them from Saudi Arabia?  When is their turn?

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Originally posted by Josher
Theres always THIS ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGru2CPC4E

Never saw that video plastered all over prime time news, did we? 

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Still didn't.

Your link fails.

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Originally posted by goeegoanna
Where they actually live? Wasn't that Saudi Arabia? Weren't most of them from Saudi Arabia?  When is their turn?

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Due to the extensive oil and other business relationships of the Bush family with the Saud Royal family, and the fact that Saudi Arabia houses two of the three holiest cities in Islam, we will not be attacking or having any type of sanctions against Saudi Arabia, EVER.

We can't attack the 'terrorists' where they come from, we can only attack them where they live anywhere AWAY from Saudi Arabia.

Didn't Obama promise in his primary run to pull all troops?

Besides that, he has done nothing that wasn't actually planned previously.  The drawdown in Iraq was already tentative before he came in office.  Actually, in summer 2008 the plan was drawn out.  The increase in US presence in Afghanistan was already being worked before he came in office.

Anyhow, you guys can have your little hayday about how wonderful Obama is.  I don't think he's any better or worse than any of the other politicians, but that's me.

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Originally posted by daeandor

Didn't Obama promise in his primary run to pull all troops?

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From BarackObama.com:

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Barack Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq:

Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased.

A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.

Under the Obama-Biden plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. They will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism.

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He just diverted 10,000 troops FROM Iraq in less than his first full month in office. He has a 16 month plan. He has 15 more months to go. I don't know how that's not fast enough for you or anyone. I hate the McDonald's generation....

Stop listening to Rush and Hannity. Please come back in 15 months, and post your concerns. Thank you.

He did not divert anyone...

This is a rotation that was put into effect by President Bush 6-8 months ago. It was mentioned in various news soruces around that time or so.

It was initiated because the situation in Iraq had become stable enogh that they where not needed.Did you get that part?..its because we WON.

Obama just wants to throw it all away for nothing

(solid bet that Obama will start spinning a routine that makes his retreat look to be because of the success when "Bush finally got it right but only do to his change of policy(which of course does not include the Surge which was the change in policy)" 

Then he and the Democrats will to try to claim "This is what we envisioned when they supported overthrowing Saddam but not the invasion" ..they have said that in so many varations.

IOW lying hypocritical BS to try to take credit for a success they denied for what can only be summed up as Bush hatred from beginning til they gained power)

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Originally posted by xxvicexx
He did not divert anyone...
This is a rotation that was put into effect by President Bush 6-8 months ago. It was mentioned in various news soruces around that time or so.
 
It was initiated because the situation in Iraq had become stable enogh that they where not needed.Did you get that part?..its because we WON.
Obama just wants to throw it all away for nothing
 

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Barack Obama diverts 17,000 soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan

February 18, 2009

Article from: The Australian
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US Troops Diverted to Afghanistan By FISNIK ABRASHI, AP

KABUL, Afghanistan (Jan. 27) -Thousands of U.S. troops originally destined for Iraq have deployed south of Afghanistan's capital in the first illustration of a new military focus on the increasingly difficult fight in the South Asian nation, NATO said Tuesday.
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Troops diverted to prepare for Afghan January 16, 2009

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A naval brigade is being diverted to Afghanistan to help prepare for the extra U.S. troops that will be sent to that country, a Pentagon spokesman announced Friday.
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You'll forgive me if I believe reputable news sources rather than "Random Internet poster Guy".

No one in this thread claimed Obama made the plan. You make your own argument, then answer your own question... clever, but not.

Doesn't matter about the "plan" and who made it. It's nothing until implemented. Bush didn't implement it, Obama did. Thus, Obama DIVERTED the troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, as any news source clearly states.

"""Bush to send more troops to Afghanistan

Posted Tue Sep 9, 2008 10:12am AEST
 

US President George W Bush is preparing to announce that more American troops will be sent to Afghanistan in the next few months.

Mr Bush will use a speech to the National Defence University in Washington to announce that a Marines battalion scheduled to go to Iraq in November will instead be deployed to Afghanistan, while around 8,000 American troops will be withdrawn from Iraq.

The improving security situation in Iraq following last year's military surge has given Mr Bush the chance to announce a slow, limited drawdown of some of the 146,000 US soldiers currently in Iraq.

Acting on the advice of his generals, Mr Bush will set out a plan to pull a total of 8,000 troops from Iraq by mid-February, without being replaced.

Just as significant, some of the units that were due to go to Iraq will now be deployed to Afghanistan instead, in a sign of the growing concern in the White House about the resurgence of the Taliban.

A US Marines battalion will be sent to Afghanistan in November followed by an Army brigade in January, totalling 4,500 troops.

Mr Bush willl say that the extra troop commitment is an attempt to duplicate the success of the Iraq troop surge.

"As we learned in Iraq, the best way to restore the confidence of the people is to restore basic security - and that requires more troops," he said in pre-released excerpts."""

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2359244.htm

6 months ago.

""""
Bush May Send More Troops to Afghanistan
By AP / DEB RIECHMANN Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2008

(WASHINGTON) — President Bush said Wednesday he is weighing whether to send more troops to Afghanistan. Bush said it has been a "tough month" in Afghanistan, where more U.S. and NATO troops died during the past two months than in Iraq.
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The president told a Rose Garden news conference that one reason for the rising deaths "is that our troops are taking the fight to a tough enemy ... of course there is going to be resistance." It has also been a "tough month for the Taliban," he said.""

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1819698,00.html

7 months ago.

""""

Bush promises more troops for Afghanistan

* Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
* guardian.co.uk, Friday 4 April 2008 18.50 BST

George Bush today promised to send more troops to Afghanistan after his departure from the White House next year, whatever the status of troop withdrawals from Iraq.

The pledge, delivered at a Nato summit in Bucharest, would add a "significant" number of troops in Afghanistan in 2009, the Pentagon chief, Robert Gates, told reporters.

Gates said he expected the next president - Democrat or Republican - to honour the commitment. "I think that no matter who is elected they will want to be successful in Afghanistan," Gates said. "I think this was a pretty safe thing for him to say." """"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/04/georgebush.afghanistan

11 months ago....

Seems random internet guy has a better memory then you do...

Or maybe its just that I bother keeping informed on the war situation instead of ignoring it in favor of some pompous egotists speech.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by daeandor

 

Didn't Obama promise in his primary run to pull all troops?

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From BarackObama.com:

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Barack Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq:

Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased.

A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.

Under the Obama-Biden plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. They will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism.

 

 

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He just diverted 10,000 troops FROM Iraq in less than his first full month in office. He has a 16 month plan. He has 15 more months to go. I don't know how that's not fast enough for you or anyone. I hate the McDonald's generation....

Stop listening to Rush and Hannity. Please come back in 15 months, and post your concerns. Thank you.

 

Stop being an asshat.  I asked a legitimate question, you could have provided an answer without playing to my, now confirmed, notion you posted this here as troll bait.  And get off your high horse.  Where did I say I wanted troops out earlier?  And when did I say I was from the McD's generation?  And why is that relevant to this?  And when did I ask for his current statement on his website, I was asking about what he said nearly a year ago?

Actually, screw it:

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Originally posted by xxvicexx

Anyone who thinks capturing or killing Osama is an end all to this War is a simplistic idealistic dipshit.

 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by xxvicexx

Anyone who thinks capturing or killing Osama is an end all to this War is a simplistic idealistic dipshit.

 

 

Double agreeement with the support of the notion behind this message.  That capturing Osama will not end The War on Terror.

Edit: clarification

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Josher
Theres always THIS ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGru2CPC4E

 

Never saw that video plastered all over prime time news, did we? 

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Still didn't.

Your link fails.
 

Link worked fine for me .. YOu fail. LOL

Originally posted by vonomous

Originally posted by popinjay

 

Osama Bin should end the mission. Mission Accomplished.

 

Hey man, love your sig.  Too bad more people are not aware of Operation Northwoods (the prototype of 9/11 for those of you wondering why it matters now). 

Anyway, my information says the Osama actually died in the mountains of Pakistan in the fall of 2002.  Remember all those actors pretending to be Osama in all those videos we were shown?  The reason fake Osamas had to deliver those messages was because the real one was long since dead.  Have fun chasing a ghost to anyone who thinks he's still alive.  Your government loves that kind of gullibility!

 

 

So you think 9-11 was an inside job? If so, was it just a Bush thing, or were there democrats in on it? Do you think Obama knew about it?

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by vonomous

Originally posted by popinjay

 

Osama Bin should end the mission. Mission Accomplished.

 

Hey man, love your sig.  Too bad more people are not aware of Operation Northwoods (the prototype of 9/11 for those of you wondering why it matters now). 

Anyway, my information says the Osama actually died in the mountains of Pakistan in the fall of 2002.  Remember all those actors pretending to be Osama in all those videos we were shown?  The reason fake Osamas had to deliver those messages was because the real one was long since dead.  Have fun chasing a ghost to anyone who thinks he's still alive.  Your government loves that kind of gullibility!

 

 

 

So you think 9-11 was an inside job? If so, was it just a Bush thing, or were there democrats in on it? Do you think Obama knew about it?

 

I seriously LOL'd @@ that! quit encouraging him Fisher Shame on you!
 

Originally posted by Narug

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by xxvicexx

Anyone who thinks capturing or killing Osama is an end all to this War is a simplistic idealistic dipshit.

 

 

 

Double agreeement with the support of the notion behind this message.  That capturing Osama will not end The War on Terror.

Edit: clarification

From what I can see, the average American doesn't want it ended, they want it expanded.

They are bored of Afghanistan and they want Pakistan attacked too.

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by Narug

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by xxvicexx

Anyone who thinks capturing or killing Osama is an end all to this War is a simplistic idealistic dipshit.

 

 

 

Double agreeement with the support of the notion behind this message.  That capturing Osama will not end The War on Terror.

Edit: clarification

 

From what I can see, the average American doesn't want it ended, they want it expanded.

They are bored of Afghanistan and they want Pakistan attacked too.

But but but if we stop the War on Terror then someone will launch an attack on American soil again!!

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Originally posted by baff

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Originally posted by Narug

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Originally posted by deviliscious

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Originally posted by xxvicexx

Anyone who thinks capturing or killing Osama is an end all to this War is a simplistic idealistic dipshit.
 

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Double agreeement with the support of the notion behind this message.  That capturing Osama will not end The War on Terror.
Edit: clarification

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From what I can see, the average American doesn't want it ended, they want it expanded.
They are bored of Afghanistan and they want Pakistan attacked too.

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I don't think the average American wants anymore to do with war now. We did right after 9/11, but seeing what a fiasco Iraq was, and watching all these troops hobble home now blown up with parts missing with no Bin Laden to show for it, we are pretty tired of war. The fact that Bush and neonuts lied about the evidence helps our decision to end war as well.

Obama wasn't elected mainly because he said he would fix the economy. He drew plenty of votes because he said he'd get us out of Iraq, which is what the average American wants. McCain was saying we were gonna stay in Iraq. People didn't like that message.

Now there will always be a vocal few who advocate war under any circumstances.. we are a violent society. We are one of the only "civilized" nations where citizens have guns right along with the police forces. These NRA nutjob types will always want a war as a first and last resort. The good news is with each generations passing, laws and attitudes are changing so perhaps one day, no citizens can get their hands on guns and pull Columbines or Virginia Tech shootings anytime they feel like it.

The most curious thing about it all, is usually the people who push for, vote for and authorize war, never actually GO do the fighting. Cowards really, hiding behind a computer or a trust fund while the average American goes to fight it. Typing nice pretty articles on the virtues of spreading democracy, the glory of battle, the nobility of service, patting our boys on the back, then reaping the rewards when they fight. (Freedom ribbons, fries, bumper stickers, flags, etc.. anyone?) Sell a bumper stick to support the troops for 10 bucks, give less than 1 dollar to the troops. Yay for capitalism!

Quick quiz... what three things do all these fine American "patriots" have in common?

• Rush Limbaugh.
• Glenn Beck.
• Sean Hannity.
• Michelle Malkin.
• Jonah Goldberg.
• Paul Wolfowitz.
• Dick Cheney.
• Micheal Savage.
• Dennis Miller.
• Bill O'Reilly.
• Brit Hume.
• Bill Kristol
• Bill Bennett
• George Will
• Pat Buchanan
• Newt Gingrich
• Rudy Guiliani
• Karl Rove
• Condolezza Rice
• Trent Lott
• Dennis Hastert
• Ann Coulter

AND:

(2) They think it's a good idea for YOU to go fight for freedom in Iraq.

AND:

(3) They all make at least 400-500k dollars a year.

Surprised? Shouldn't be. This is how cowards usually operate.

I also wonder how many of the war hawks in this thread fall into this category as well. It really is obvious there are a few (except for the income part, lol), but I really wonder why they sit here playing MMOs and being "Uber l337s" repeating drivel instead of signing up for our forces.

I guess waiting around for the new Mortal Online/Star Trek/Marvel Universe MMO is a little more pressing than freedom fighting for them.